Trade Ideas

[ijspeelman]

GS is reportedly shopping Wiggins. I wonder if LeVert, Niang, and some seconds gets it done.

In all honesty, Wiggins scares me bc he just feels like a more expensive taller LeVert (with better, but still below league avg efficiency and less skilled passer). He's owed 30 mil all the way up to potentially 2026-27 (where he will most likely accept his player option).

I think he works, but I'd almost just want a Moses Moody from them instead.

If we consider Wiggins, I think we'd want to consider Jerami Grant as well.

His contract scares me more than Wiggins lol. One year longer and Grant is one year older.

I think I like Wiggins' defense better and Grant's offense better if we are just talking about on-court impact, but to me both guys contracts makes me want to steer away

Almost feels like Warriors/Blazers should be giving up some to get off their contract. I'd think about it if so. I guess them taking one Niang would be that favor lol

I am still not 100% out on Niang, but last post-season did help my vision for him for the future lol

[mcfly1204]

What scares me about Andrew Wiggins... is Andrew Wiggins. Did we ever hear what happened with him this past season?

[JonFromVA]

GS is reportedly shopping Wiggins. I wonder if LeVert, Niang, and some seconds gets it done.

In all honesty, Wiggins scares me bc he just feels like a more expensive taller LeVert (with better, but still below league avg efficiency and less skilled passer). He's owed 30 mil all the way up to potentially 2026-27 (where he will most likely accept his player option).

I think he works, but I'd almost just want a Moses Moody from them instead.

Wiggins scares me because he doesn't always care about basketball and he's not good enough to not care.

Arguably the worst player on the Warriors last season and that's not easy to do when part of a starting lineup that's +15pp100:

http://www.82games.com/2324/2324GSW.HTM

Apparently, he's been dealing with some personal issues. He might bounce back, just not sure why we'd want to bet on it.

[jbk1234]

GS is reportedly shopping Wiggins. I wonder if LeVert, Niang, and some seconds gets it done.

In all honesty, Wiggins scares me bc he just feels like a more expensive taller LeVert (with better, but still below league avg efficiency and less skilled passer). He's owed 30 mil all the way up to potentially 2026-27 (where he will most likely accept his player option).

I think he works, but I'd almost just want a Moses Moody from them instead.

Wiggins scares me because he doesn't always care about basketball and he's not good enough to not care.

Arguably the worst player on the Warriors last season and that's not easy to do when part of a starting lineup that's +15pp100:

http://www.82games.com/2324/2324GSW.HTM

Apparently, he's been dealing with some personal issues. He might bounce back, just not sure why we'd want to bet on it.

My thought is I'm out on paying LBJ, Bulter, PG, or Ingram $50M+ for 3-4 years and losing a member of the core 4 for the privilege. Trades like that are too high risk for a team that's this young and this good.

[KuruptedCav]

Contingent on Okoro signing an offer-sheet Cavs don’t want to match…

To ATL: Ejike Ugboaha, MLE
To CLE: Larry Nance Jr.,

Atlanta saves $11 million from their 4th big who isn’t part of their timeline;

Cleveland gets a vet 3rd big who fits the culture and can hit a jump shot on short money.


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[jbk1234]

Contingent on Okoro signing an offer-sheet Cavs don’t want to match…

To ATL: Ejike Ugboaha, MLE
To CLE: Larry Nance Jr.,

Atlanta saves $11 million from their 4th big who isn’t part of their timeline;

Cleveland gets a vet 3rd big who fits the culture and can hit a jump shot on short money.


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I'm meh on Nance at this point. He's always injured and it seems as though those injuries have taken their toll on his athleticism. I wouldn't be particularly excited.

[JonFromVA]

Contingent on Okoro signing an offer-sheet Cavs don’t want to match…

To ATL: Ejike Ugboaha, MLE
To CLE: Larry Nance Jr.,

Atlanta saves $11 million from their 4th big who isn’t part of their timeline;

Cleveland gets a vet 3rd big who fits the culture and can hit a jump shot on short money.


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I'm meh on Nance at this point. He's always injured and it seems as though those injuries have taken their toll on his athleticism. I wouldn't be particularly excited.

Fair, I'd love to have him back, but Chone's is pretty brutal. We need players we can rely on.

[JujitsuFlip]

Contingent on Okoro signing an offer-sheet Cavs don’t want to match…

To ATL: Ejike Ugboaha, MLE
To CLE: Larry Nance Jr.,

Atlanta saves $11 million from their 4th big who isn’t part of their timeline;

Cleveland gets a vet 3rd big who fits the culture and can hit a jump shot on short money.


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I'm meh on Nance at this point. He's always injured and it seems as though those injuries have taken their toll on his athleticism. I wouldn't be particularly excited.

I'm with you. I am all way out on a 6'7" center.

[Butter]

Blazers fan, I come in peace.

Reviewing the Cavs off season thread, it seems there is a common theme that not a lot was added to the existing roster. With all of the big extensions, there may not be much room left over.

Also, I've seen some fans speculating about Garlands availability. I did a Fanspo comparison between Garland and Anfernee Simons, and they are almost identical, even though Somons is quite a bit cheaper:

https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/darius-garland-1629636/anfernee-simons-1629014

The Blazers don't need Garland, but would the Cavs be interested on a 3 team deal that sent Anfernee Simons and Matice Thybuile to the Cavs?

Simons gives you pretty close to Garlands production (see above) and Tice is an elite defender who has improved his shooting over thr last 2 years

[JujitsuFlip]

Blazers fan, I come in peace.

Reviewing the Cavs off season thread, it seems there is a common theme that not a lot was added to the existing roster. With all of the big extensions, there may not be much room left over.

Also, I've seen some fans speculating about Garlands availability. I did a Fanspo comparison between Garland and Anfernee Simons, and they are almost identical, even though Somons is quite a bit cheaper:

https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/darius-garland-1629636/anfernee-simons-1629014

The Blazers don't need Garland, but would the Cavs be interested on a 3 team deal that sent Anfernee Simons and Matice Thybuile to the Cavs?

Simons gives you pretty close to Garlands production (see above) and Tice is an elite defender who has improved his shooting over thr last 2 years

Me personally, no thanks.

I'd rather have Strus than Thybulle if we're plugging in a 6'5" guy to SF. Thybulle is also essentially expiring.

Simons doesn't fix the back court either, so I'm good there. You lose Garland's play making and still have a tiny bad defender next to Mitch.

If Garland is ever traded off this team, while Mitch is still around it needs to be for a 6'8" wing or a dude who can play stretch 4 so Mobley can finally slide to his natural position at the 5. Just taking back a worse version of Garland does nothing for us.

[Butter]

Blazers fan, I come in peace.

Reviewing the Cavs off season thread, it seems there is a common theme that not a lot was added to the existing roster. With all of the big extensions, there may not be much room left over.

Also, I've seen some fans speculating about Garlands availability. I did a Fanspo comparison between Garland and Anfernee Simons, and they are almost identical, even though Somons is quite a bit cheaper:

https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/darius-garland-1629636/anfernee-simons-1629014

The Blazers don't need Garland, but would the Cavs be interested on a 3 team deal that sent Anfernee Simons and Matice Thybuile to the Cavs?

Simons gives you pretty close to Garlands production (see above) and Tice is an elite defender who has improved his shooting over thr last 2 years

Me personally, no thanks.

I'd rather have Strus than Thybulle if we're plugging in a 6'5" guy to SF. Thybulle is also essentially expiring.

Simons doesn't fix the back court either, so I'm good there. You lose Garland's play making and still have a tiny bad defender next to Mitch.

If Garland is ever traded off this team, while Mitch is still around it needs to be for a 6'8" wing or a dude who can play stretch 4 so Mobley can finally slide to his natural position at the 5. Just taking back a worse version of Garland does nothing for us.

Well, it does save the Cavs $12M that could build out another position, and Tice sound likely be wing depth behind Strus, but I got you.

[jbk1234]

Blazers fan, I come in peace.

Reviewing the Cavs off season thread, it seems there is a common theme that not a lot was added to the existing roster. With all of the big extensions, there may not be much room left over.

Also, I've seen some fans speculating about Garlands availability. I did a Fanspo comparison between Garland and Anfernee Simons, and they are almost identical, even though Somons is quite a bit cheaper:

https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/darius-garland-1629636/anfernee-simons-1629014

The Blazers don't need Garland, but would the Cavs be interested on a 3 team deal that sent Anfernee Simons and Matice Thybuile to the Cavs?

Simons gives you pretty close to Garlands production (see above) and Tice is an elite defender who has improved his shooting over thr last 2 years

Absolutely not. Simons is a good shooter, but he's not in Garland's zip code when it comes to playmaking or impact. The Cavs f.o. has been very clear that it's not interested in downgrading talent in a trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

Blazers fan, I come in peace.

Reviewing the Cavs off season thread, it seems there is a common theme that not a lot was added to the existing roster. With all of the big extensions, there may not be much room left over.

Also, I've seen some fans speculating about Garlands availability. I did a Fanspo comparison between Garland and Anfernee Simons, and they are almost identical, even though Somons is quite a bit cheaper:

https://fanspo.com/nba/compare-players/darius-garland-1629636/anfernee-simons-1629014

The Blazers don't need Garland, but would the Cavs be interested on a 3 team deal that sent Anfernee Simons and Matice Thybuile to the Cavs?

Simons gives you pretty close to Garlands production (see above) and Tice is an elite defender who has improved his shooting over thr last 2 years

Me personally, no thanks.

I'd rather have Strus than Thybulle if we're plugging in a 6'5" guy to SF. Thybulle is also essentially expiring.

Simons doesn't fix the back court either, so I'm good there. You lose Garland's play making and still have a tiny bad defender next to Mitch.

If Garland is ever traded off this team, while Mitch is still around it needs to be for a 6'8" wing or a dude who can play stretch 4 so Mobley can finally slide to his natural position at the 5. Just taking back a worse version of Garland does nothing for us.

Well, it does save the Cavs $12M that could build out another position, and Tice sound likely be wing depth behind Strus, but I got you.

The $12 million isn't enough to really make a dent, it would have to be like freeing up $30 million and under the new CBA, idk if that is even possible.

The Blazers have some pieces the Cavs could use just not sure it would be Garland being sent out. Thus far the Cavs f.o. has not been willing to trade any of their top 13 guys.

[jbk1234]

Me personally, no thanks.

I'd rather have Strus than Thybulle if we're plugging in a 6'5" guy to SF. Thybulle is also essentially expiring.

Simons doesn't fix the back court either, so I'm good there. You lose Garland's play making and still have a tiny bad defender next to Mitch.

If Garland is ever traded off this team, while Mitch is still around it needs to be for a 6'8" wing or a dude who can play stretch 4 so Mobley can finally slide to his natural position at the 5. Just taking back a worse version of Garland does nothing for us.

Well, it does save the Cavs $12M that could build out another position, and Tice sound likely be wing depth behind Strus, but I got you.

The $12 million isn't enough to really make a dent, it would have to be like freeing up $30 million and under the new CBA, idk if that is even possible.

The Blazers have some pieces the Cavs could use just not sure it would be Garland being sent out. Thus far the Cavs f.o. has not been willing to trade any of their top 13 guys.

The FO has been unwilling to trade their core four players (or at least unwilling to trade Garland and Allen for less than equal win-now talent coming back). They like Strus and Wade, but everyone else, save maybe Tyson, is very, very available. Those just aren't the guys other teams call on in the offseason.

The reality is that the Cavs have had trade discussions involving Okoro and LeVert. If the offers were solid, they would've pulled the trigger. Instead they got the Mavs trying to dump THJ's contract on us the last time LeVert was expiring. We couldn't get a guy like DFS or PJ Washington for Okoro in the past, and may not even be able to get an effectively expiring DFS now.

Merrill could probably return a couple seconds. I'd be surprised if CPJ could return one. Niang probably costs a couple seconds to dump. Maybe a single second to turn him into a guy like Reed.

None of our two-way guys are worth anything, and if they can get a decent big on a two-way for Bates, they should take it.

Now include the fact that if you're going to put yourself into the tax a year early, the player has to be worth it. You're not going into the tax for a marginal improvement over D. Jones or Pete Nance.

Altman's not being stubborn. He's being patient out of necessity.

[JujitsuFlip]

Well, it does save the Cavs $12M that could build out another position, and Tice sound likely be wing depth behind Strus, but I got you.

The $12 million isn't enough to really make a dent, it would have to be like freeing up $30 million and under the new CBA, idk if that is even possible.

The Blazers have some pieces the Cavs could use just not sure it would be Garland being sent out. Thus far the Cavs f.o. has not been willing to trade any of their top 13 guys.

The FO has been unwilling to trade their core four players (or at least unwilling to trade Garland and Allen for less than equal win-now talent coming back). They like Strus and Wade, but everyone else, save maybe Tyson, is very, very available. Those just aren't the guys other teams call on in the offseason.

The reality is that the Cavs have had trade discussions involving Okoro and LeVert. If the offers were solid, they would've pulled the trigger. Instead they got the Mavs trying to dump THJ's contract on us the last time LeVert was expiring. We couldn't get a guy like DFS or PJ Washington for Okoro in the past, and may not even be able to get an effectively expiring DFS now.

Merrill could probably return a couple seconds. I'd be surprised if CPJ could return one. Niang probably costs a couple seconds to dump. Maybe a single second to turn him into a guy like Reed.

None of our two-way guys are worth anything, and if they can get a decent big on a two-way for Bates, they should take it.

Now include the fact that if you're going to put yourself into the tax a year early, the player has to be worth it. You're not going into the tax for a marginal improvement over D. Jones or Pete Nance.

Altman's not being stubborn. He's being patient out of necessity.

That is certainly one way to view it.

Zero trades around the peripheral, like Koby said they would do and zero outside signings just seems like putting way too much pressure on Kenny and his staff, in year 1.

The Cavs still only have 3 bigs on the roster, being Mobley, Allen, and Niang. We know Wade and maybe Okoro can masquerade as PFs in today's NBA but that is still a huge hole on this roster.

The Cavs also still lack any length at SF outside of maybe rookie Tyson.

Cavs still need a reliable back-up PG too.

[jbk1234]

The $12 million isn't enough to really make a dent, it would have to be like freeing up $30 million and under the new CBA, idk if that is even possible.

The Blazers have some pieces the Cavs could use just not sure it would be Garland being sent out. Thus far the Cavs f.o. has not been willing to trade any of their top 13 guys.

The FO has been unwilling to trade their core four players (or at least unwilling to trade Garland and Allen for less than equal win-now talent coming back). They like Strus and Wade, but everyone else, save maybe Tyson, is very, very available. Those just aren't the guys other teams call on in the offseason.

The reality is that the Cavs have had trade discussions involving Okoro and LeVert. If the offers were solid, they would've pulled the trigger. Instead they got the Mavs trying to dump THJ's contract on us the last time LeVert was expiring. We couldn't get a guy like DFS or PJ Washington for Okoro in the past, and may not even be able to get an effectively expiring DFS now.

Merrill could probably return a couple seconds. I'd be surprised if CPJ could return one. Niang probably costs a couple seconds to dump. Maybe a single second to turn him into a guy like Reed.

None of our two-way guys are worth anything, and if they can get a decent big on a two-way for Bates, they should take it.

Now include the fact that if you're going to put yourself into the tax a year early, the player has to be worth it. You're not going into the tax for a marginal improvement over D. Jones or Pete Nance.

Altman's not being stubborn. He's being patient out of necessity.

That is certainly one way to view it.

Zero trades around the peripheral, like Koby said they would do and zero outside signings just seems like putting way too much pressure on Kenny and his staff, in year 1.

The Cavs still only have 3 bigs on the roster, being Mobley, Allen, and Niang. We know Wade and maybe Okoro can masquerade as PFs in today's NBA but that is still a huge hole on this roster.

The Cavs also still lack any length at SF outside of maybe rookie Tyson.

Cavs still need a reliable back-up PG too.

There's an entire T&T board on this website. Go ahead and propose trades for the non-core guys and see what the responses are.

[JujitsuFlip]

The FO has been unwilling to trade their core four players (or at least unwilling to trade Garland and Allen for less than equal win-now talent coming back). They like Strus and Wade, but everyone else, save maybe Tyson, is very, very available. Those just aren't the guys other teams call on in the offseason.

The reality is that the Cavs have had trade discussions involving Okoro and LeVert. If the offers were solid, they would've pulled the trigger. Instead they got the Mavs trying to dump THJ's contract on us the last time LeVert was expiring. We couldn't get a guy like DFS or PJ Washington for Okoro in the past, and may not even be able to get an effectively expiring DFS now.

Merrill could probably return a couple seconds. I'd be surprised if CPJ could return one. Niang probably costs a couple seconds to dump. Maybe a single second to turn him into a guy like Reed.

None of our two-way guys are worth anything, and if they can get a decent big on a two-way for Bates, they should take it.

Now include the fact that if you're going to put yourself into the tax a year early, the player has to be worth it. You're not going into the tax for a marginal improvement over D. Jones or Pete Nance.

Altman's not being stubborn. He's being patient out of necessity.

That is certainly one way to view it.

Zero trades around the peripheral, like Koby said they would do and zero outside signings just seems like putting way too much pressure on Kenny and his staff, in year 1.

The Cavs still only have 3 bigs on the roster, being Mobley, Allen, and Niang. We know Wade and maybe Okoro can masquerade as PFs in today's NBA but that is still a huge hole on this roster.

The Cavs also still lack any length at SF outside of maybe rookie Tyson.

Cavs still need a reliable back-up PG too.

There's an entire T&T board on this website. Go ahead and propose trades for the non-core guys and see what the responses are.

There are 10 other guys on this team, including the 2 RFA. Koby is the one that said they would look at trades around the edges of the roster, not me.

I just can't fathom believing bringing back the same core with no back-up center on the roster and no proven back-up PG on the roster is the best plan of action.

[jbk1234]

That is certainly one way to view it.

Zero trades around the peripheral, like Koby said they would do and zero outside signings just seems like putting way too much pressure on Kenny and his staff, in year 1.

The Cavs still only have 3 bigs on the roster, being Mobley, Allen, and Niang. We know Wade and maybe Okoro can masquerade as PFs in today's NBA but that is still a huge hole on this roster.

The Cavs also still lack any length at SF outside of maybe rookie Tyson.

Cavs still need a reliable back-up PG too.

There's an entire T&T board on this website. Go ahead and propose trades for the non-core guys and see what the responses are.

There are 10 other guys on this team, including the 2 RFA. Koby is the one that said they would look at trades around the edges of the roster, not me.

I just can't fathom believing bringing back the same core with no back-up center on the roster and no proven back-up PG on the roster is the best plan of action.

Okay, so propose a trade that you believe makes the Cavs better with players on the back half of the roster.

[JonFromVA]

There's an entire T&T board on this website. Go ahead and propose trades for the non-core guys and see what the responses are.

There are 10 other guys on this team, including the 2 RFA. Koby is the one that said they would look at trades around the edges of the roster, not me.

I just can't fathom believing bringing back the same core with no back-up center on the roster and no proven back-up PG on the roster is the best plan of action.

Okay, so propose a trade that you believe makes the Cavs better with players on the back half of the roster.

There's always a chance we see one of Koby's out of the blue 3-way deals, but lots of luck predicting what that might be.

[jbk1234]

There are 10 other guys on this team, including the 2 RFA. Koby is the one that said they would look at trades around the edges of the roster, not me.

I just can't fathom believing bringing back the same core with no back-up center on the roster and no proven back-up PG on the roster is the best plan of action.

Okay, so propose a trade that you believe makes the Cavs better with players on the back half of the roster.

There's always a chance we see one of Koby's out of the blue 3-way deals, but lots of luck predicting what that might be.

In the past, we've had cap space and/or picks to offer in those situations.