Mavs - Cavs trade

[TheOUTLAW]

You can't call it stupid when nobody mentioned 2 firsts. Oh and just about anyone would give the Cavs 2 first as well. They aren't worth as much once you have LeBron anyway.

You guys really don't think things out very well. It's funny to me that people were always saying that the Cavs first wasn't worth anything and now first from other teams would somehow be worth something. No, those picks would be just as worthless as the Cavs pick. They'd still be one of thelast picks in the round.

[Mannhardo]

i know its still not great but hey roddy + 2 firsts + butler >>> nothing. of course other teams can make offers but tell me one with a similar package where lebron wants to go and still has the chance to win a ring?!

[B Mac]

i know its still not great but hey roddy + 2 firsts + butler >>> nothing. of course other teams can make offers but tell me one with a similar package where lebron wants to go and still has the chance to win a ring?!

New Jersey

[Roger Murdock]

This trade is absolute trash? Erica, Roddy, and overpaid Caron for LEBRON JAMES? Dude you are on crack.

And NO Nowitizki? Keep dreaming dude. This trade is insane, not even NBA 2k GM"s would accept this trade.

ok i give up. you people FAIL to understand. if he wants out of cleveland you will get NOTHING for him. if he wnats to go to Dallas you can get something back in return. You aren't going to get Dirk because then he wont want to go to Dallas. You can get back a good player, a good young talent and a HUGE experiing in Dampier than you can cut for cap relief in a month. you obviously dont see the big picture here. YOu can get some players, cap relief now and future cap relief by giving away bad contracts. use your mind. jeez.

We understand that. If LeBron leaves Cleveland hes going to do it costing himself 20 million dollars because we arent going to do some (Please Use More Appropriate Word) trade where we lose the best talent in the league for overpaid marginal talent. I would rather lose him for nothing than trade him, unless we get an elite talent back that would make us very competitive right away. If LeBron wants to leave he can do it knowing hes costing himself big bucks.

[Mannhardo]

i know its still not great but hey roddy + 2 firsts + butler >>> nothing. of course other teams can make offers but tell me one with a similar package where lebron wants to go and still has the chance to win a ring?!

New Jersey

what do they offer? they can sign him right away. even if the landy wall would a package around harris be that much better? i dont think so.

[CDansby]

This trade is absolute trash? Erica, Roddy, and overpaid Caron for LEBRON JAMES? Dude you are on crack.

And NO Nowitizki? Keep dreaming dude. This trade is insane, not even NBA 2k GM"s would accept this trade.

ok i give up. you people FAIL to understand. if he wants out of cleveland you will get NOTHING for him. if he wnats to go to Dallas you can get something back in return. You aren't going to get Dirk because then he wont want to go to Dallas. You can get back a good player, a good young talent and a HUGE experiing in Dampier than you can cut for cap relief in a month. you obviously dont see the big picture here. YOu can get some players, cap relief now and future cap relief by giving away bad contracts. use your mind. jeez.

We understand that. If LeBron leaves Cleveland hes going to do it costing himself 20 million dollars because we arent going to do some (Please Use More Appropriate Word) trade where we lose the best talent in the league for overpaid marginal talent. I would rather lose him for nothing than trade him, unless we get an elite talent back that would make us very competitive right away. If LeBron wants to leave he can do it knowing hes costing himself big bucks.

That doesn't make sense coming from a Cavs fan. If he walks for nothing what are you going to rebuild around? If he wants to walk then the Cavs would rather let him have that extra 20 mil because they can trade for cap space, youth, expirings, etc....

That's my two cents, I'm not touching this thread though. Any talk about Lebron is just going to get more and more argumentative. No one knows what's going to happen except Lebron, so I'll just wait until July.

[Chester0]

I would give you Dirk.

Dirk+Beaubois for James. I don't know how either side could say no to that.

[Niko23]

Why would LeBron chose to go to Dallas?

Thank You

[CDansby]

Why would LeBron chose to go to Dallas?

Thank You

Because Jason Terry isn't going to sleep with his mom. Sorry...couldn't resist.

[gflem]

I would give you Dirk.

Dirk+Beaubois for James. I don't know how either side could say no to that.

Sorry Chester this was not meant for you, you obviously get it.

What we Cavs fans dont "understand" or "fail to grasp" is that you cant see that the conversation if it were to happen starts with Dirk period. No Dirk no deal> Are you saying you wouldnt trade Dirk for Lebron? If so you are the one out of touch here. Cuban would do it in a heartbeat. Throw in Roddy and 2-3 firsts and now the deal starts to at least look even.
And bear in mind that the only way a S&T would happen is if Lebron demanded it to control his landing spot. If like you say his best place is Dallas, the only way he gets there is a S&T, therefore giving the Cavs a lot more leverage in the conversation, knowing Dallas would do almost anything to get Lebron.
Having Lebron would be almost as good to any franchise as having a printing press to print mucho $$$$$$. Therefore the Cavs could opt to say they would let him walk for nothing, thus shutting the Mavs out from having any chance to land him, thus giving the Cavs the leverage they need.
The only way for the Mavs to clear cap space to sign Lebron as a FA would be to move Dirk. Nobody else on that team has the on court value to match their contract, Nobody else on that team would be worth trading for at their inflated contracts.

[Mannhardo]

keep on dreaming...if cleveland doesnt agree lebron signs somewhere else. you are way of if you believe that the cavs are the ones in control. btw i would much rather have butler with his 11 mio than jamison or varejao but yeah the mavs are the ones with inflated contracts.

[CDansby]

I would give you Dirk.

Dirk+Beaubois for James. I don't know how either side could say no to that.

Sorry Chester this was not meant for you, you obviously get it.

What we Cavs fans dont "understand" or "fail to grasp" is that you cant see that the conversation if it were to happen starts with Dirk period. No Dirk no deal> Are you saying you wouldnt trade Dirk for Lebron? If so you are the one out of touch here. Cuban would do it in a heartbeat. Throw in Roddy and 2-3 firsts and now the deal starts to at least look even.
And bear in mind that the only way a S&T would happen is if Lebron demanded it to control his landing spot. If like you say his best place is Dallas, the only way he gets there is a S&T, therefore giving the Cavs a lot more leverage in the conversation, knowing Dallas would do almost anything to get Lebron.
Having Lebron would be almost as good to any franchise as having a printing press to print mucho $$$$$$. Therefore the Cavs could opt to say they would let him walk for nothing, thus shutting the Mavs out from having any chance to land him, thus giving the Cavs the leverage they need.
The only way for the Mavs to clear cap space to sign Lebron as a FA would be to move Dirk. Nobody else on that team has the on court value to match their contract, Nobody else on that team would be worth trading for at their inflated contracts.

You actually have a lot less leverage than you think. S&T's are take what you can get. If Lebron demands to be in Dallas, why would Dallas give up more than they have too??? He'll say S&T me to Dallas for what you can get or I walk for nothing. Get it? Lebron has all the leverage this offseason.

[microfib4thewin]

keep on dreaming...if cleveland doesnt agree lebron signs somewhere else. you are way of if you believe that the cavs are the ones in control. btw i would much rather have butler with his 11 mio than jamison or varejao but yeah the mavs are the ones with inflated contracts.

Then Lebron would go elsewhere. They don't have to bow down to teams who are over the cap to appease Lebron and the team he's being traded to. Two 1st and Roddy are basically 3 draft picks. You can buy that for 9 mil if you're that desperate, and since it's most likely going to be the 30th pick the Cavs might as well buy three 2nd rounders because the salary is not guaranteed. Would you guys trade Dirk for three 2nd rounders?

[Triumph36]

I would give you Dirk.

Dirk+Beaubois for James. I don't know how either side could say no to that.

Sorry Chester this was not meant for you, you obviously get it.

What we Cavs fans dont "understand" or "fail to grasp" is that you cant see that the conversation if it were to happen starts with Dirk period. No Dirk no deal> Are you saying you wouldnt trade Dirk for Lebron? If so you are the one out of touch here. Cuban would do it in a heartbeat. Throw in Roddy and 2-3 firsts and now the deal starts to at least look even.
And bear in mind that the only way a S&T would happen is if Lebron demanded it to control his landing spot. If like you say his best place is Dallas, the only way he gets there is a S&T, therefore giving the Cavs a lot more leverage in the conversation, knowing Dallas would do almost anything to get Lebron.

Having Lebron would be almost as good to any franchise as having a printing press to print mucho $$$$$$. Therefore the Cavs could opt to say they would let him walk for nothing, thus shutting the Mavs out from having any chance to land him, thus giving the Cavs the leverage they need.
The only way for the Mavs to clear cap space to sign Lebron as a FA would be to move Dirk. Nobody else on that team has the on court value to match their contract, Nobody else on that team would be worth trading for at their inflated contracts.

You actually have a lot less leverage than you think. S&T's are take what you can get. If Lebron demands to be in Dallas, why would Dallas give up more than they have too??? He'll say S&T me to Dallas for what you can get or I walk for nothing. Get it? Lebron has all the leverage this offseason.

Then he walks, gets less money, and can't even go to his preferred destination (Dallas). I'll happily let him "settle" for his second choice.

S&T's are not take whatever you can get. See, it's a two way street. We aren't the only ones "benefiting" from the S&T. LeBron gets his max money, but we get useless garbage and a decent prospect. In other words, after him quitting on this franchise, we'd be letting him screw us yet again. A desperate franchise would "take whatever they could get." LeBron already has too much control over this franchise, we aren't going to let him control our future too. We aren't going to pay Caron **** Butler $10.5M just to get Roddy. Sorry, the guy doesn't have that much potential. We'll S&T LeBron if the proper deal presents itself, but we won't bow down to hand him to a team that isn't giving up anything worthwhile.

But again, he wouldn't want to go there. Neither would any of the elite FAs that Dallas fans actually think they'll get with the ZOMG DUST CHIP AND FUTURE SUPASTAR RODDY BEAUBOIS!

It's funny, actually. Like I pointed out, the Mavs have no future. None. Look at the ages of the players when next season begins. Dirk? 32. Haywood? 30 (turns 31 in 1st month of the season tho). Terry? 33. Marion? 32. Kidd? 37. If LeBron wanted to sign with a team that would win now, but have no future, he'd go to Boston. At least they have two sub-30yo core players. At least they're a proven playoff team.

But he won't go there either. He'll go somewhere where he has a young core. A future. LeBron doesn't want one title. He wants many. Dallas doesn't offer that. New Jersey does. New York does. Chicago does. Miami does. They all either have good young cores or a solid young core and room for 2 max FAs.

So while you Dallas fans get your panties in a bunch because we won't accept your garbage, maybe you should take a reality check. You aren't going to get the best player on the planet for peanuts, whether you have the "leverage" or not. Sorry.

[CDansby]

Then he walks, gets less money, and can't even go to his preferred destination (Dallas). I'll happily let him "settle" for his second choice.

S&T's are not take whatever you can get. See, it's a two way street. We aren't the only ones "benefiting" from the S&T. LeBron gets his max money, but we get useless garbage and a decent prospect. In other words, after him quitting on this franchise, we'd be letting him screw us yet again. A desperate franchise would "take whatever they could get." LeBron already has too much control over this franchise, we aren't going to let him control our future too. We aren't going to pay Caron **** Butler $10.5M just to get Roddy. Sorry, the guy doesn't have that much potential. We'll S&T LeBron if the proper deal presents itself, but we won't bow down to hand him to a team that isn't giving up anything worthwhile.

But again, he wouldn't want to go there. Neither would any of the elite FAs that Dallas fans actually think they'll get with the ZOMG DUST CHIP AND FUTURE SUPASTAR RODDY BEAUBOIS!

It's funny, actually. Like I pointed out, the Mavs have no future. None. Look at the ages of the players when next season begins. Dirk? 32. Haywood? 30 (turns 31 in 1st month of the season tho). Terry? 33. Marion? 32. Kidd? 37. If LeBron wanted to sign with a team that would win now, but have no future, he'd go to Boston. At least they have two sub-30yo core players. At least they're a proven playoff team.

But he won't go there either. He'll go somewhere where he has a young core. A future. LeBron doesn't want one title. He wants many. Dallas doesn't offer that. New Jersey does. New York does. Chicago does. Miami does. They all either have good young cores or a solid young core and room for 2 max FAs.

So while you Dallas fans get your panties in a bunch because we won't accept your garbage, maybe you should take a reality check. You aren't going to get the best player on the planet for peanuts, whether you have the "leverage" or not. Sorry.

Look, I don't think Lebron's going to Dallas at all, neither of the other elite FAs for that matter, but you're thinking is skewed.

If Lebron went up to the Cavs FO and said "look, I'm not coming back and I've narrowed it down to Chicago or Dallas. I can sign with Chicago and take a 5 year deal and yall are left with nothing or you can sign me to the max 6 year deal and then trade me to Dallas for cap relief and other pieces to let you rebuild." Your saying you'd rather him go to Chicago because he'll have to settle for shorter contract? That's just dumb, if he's going to leave then he's going to leave and never come back, the money he makes shouldn't matter to the Cavs FO at all. The reason that Mavs fans get all up in arms about the DUST chip and Butler and Roddy and draft picks (and again, I don't think it's the greatest package in the world) is because it's a package that would allow Dallas to take on that true max contract at 6 years and it is good package to kick off the rebuilding process because of the cap relief and youth and so on. If Lebron tells the Cavs that he's going to leave, it would be to the Cavs benefit to S&T from a basketball and financial standpoint, letting him walk would be foolish. And the only stars your going to be offered are older superstars who would not be good for the rebuilding process. why would you trade for Dirk, someone who would only hinder the rebuilding of the Cavs.

Look, this is going to sign really dumb at first but hear me out. Trading for the Dust chip and Roddy would be better than a package based around Dirk. If your not going to win with Lebron and the Cavs supporting cast, why would you win with Dirk? And knowing that, why would you spend a **** ton of money on him when you're trying to rebuild? That's why you would take the Damp's instant expiring contract and Butler's one year contract and Roddy so you can be relevant again a lot faster then if you take Dirk.

If Lebron's leaving, it's going to be a "let's blow this whole roster up and build from scratch" not "alright let's try this again with another star".

[SaintofKillers]

You come to this message board, take advantage of the system and think because we are tolerant that we are weak and helpless. Your arrogance offends me. And for that the rate just went up 10%.

[CDansby]

Sorry I'm really not trying to be arrogant. I don't think anyone here is weak or helpless, I expect a response. Just trying to give my opinion here...

[microfib4thewin]

If Lebron's leaving, it's going to be a "let's blow this whole roster up and build from scratch" not "alright let's try this again with another star".

They can start over with or without Roddy. Roddy isn't Tyreke Evans, he's not going to scrap more wins for a team that is severely lacking in talent. At most we are talking about the difference of 2 to 3 wins here. For reference, an allstar player is estimated to help his team win 8-10 more games whereas a franchise player like Lebron or Wade can help you win 15-20 more.

[Gordon Bombay]

the only true s/t option for me is andrew bynum...that's it. if lebron is leaving, then i want mo, jamison and gibson out of here as well. contending is not an option anymore and we would need to get cap flexibility and top 3 draft picks for the next couple of years (the okc model). teams don't accomplish anything by running the treadmill of mediocrity (i.e. continually getting the 6th through 12th spots in the conference). these trades being thrown around by mavs fans would keep us on that treadmill - especially if mo and jamison are still around.

the only way i'd see a cavs/mavs deal go down is if mo and jamison were included as well and the mavs really don't have the expiring contracts that would warrant such a deal going down

[CDansby]

If Lebron's leaving, it's going to be a "let's blow this whole roster up and build from scratch" not "alright let's try this again with another star".

They can start over with or without Roddy. Roddy isn't Tyreke Evans, he's not going to scrap more wins for a team that is severely lacking in talent. At most we are talking about the difference of 2 to 3 wins here. For reference, an allstar player is estimated to help his team win 8-10 more games whereas a franchise player like Lebron or Wade can help you win 15-20 more.

I agree. I never said that Roddy is a franchise player (although he does have all star talent, he's just as good as Steph Curry and Jennings, Rick Carlisle just never let him see the floor because he's a moron) but he is a good piece to have if you're talking about rebuilding. I'm not saying build around Roddy or anything, but if you're going to build a new roster he'd definitely be a great guy to have around. Any package involving Damp is a lot more about the financial side of the rebuilding process more so than getting a franchise player back. Again, I don't think that Lebron is coming to Dallas by any means, I'm just trying to prove that Dallas does have the capabilities of bringing in a max contract with the assets that we have, that's all.

I guess I'm also trying to make a point by saying that Cleveland is somewhat helpless in this situation because Lebron has all the power in terms of choosing where is wants to go. It's not like Cleveland is shopping him around, Lebron is shopping himself around.

And I agree that the best sign trade that will be offered to Cleveland would probably involve Andrew Bynum, but Lebron holds the cards and I don't see him wanting to play alongside Kobe in LA and try to share the spotlight.