Game 24: Cavs @ Knicks 12/4/2022

[toooskies]

Burks and Fournier are out there. The Cavs should make a run at one or both of them. There's a noticeable difference when Wade is on the floor, which apparently is something we can't rely upon, and when he's not.

Burks plays for the Pistons.

I'm taking about buy-low trade opportunities.

If Fournier was a bad contract last year, it's even worse this year. He's having a worse season than LeVert so far.

[jbk1234]

Burks plays for the Pistons.

I'm taking about buy-low trade opportunities.

If Fournier was a bad contract last year, it's even worse this year. He's having a worse season than LeVert so far.

And he's gotten DNP'd like ten games in a row. I think you swap LeVert for him, grab some draft capital, and maybe attach that, or seconds, to Cedi for a Burks swap. Stevens, Okoro, and Diakite can be the defensive specialists you sub in.

But too many of our rotations are horribly imbalanced and unless you're just killing the opposing team on the boards, you're not even getting your defense set, off of your own misses/turnovers, half of the time.

[toooskies]

I'm taking about buy-low trade opportunities.

If Fournier was a bad contract last year, it's even worse this year. He's having a worse season than LeVert so far.

And he's gotten DNP'd like ten games in a row. I think you swap LeVert for him, grab some draft capital, and maybe attach that, or seconds, to Cedi for a Burks swap. Stevens, Okoro, and Diakite can be the defensive specialists you sub in.

But too many of our rotations are horribly imbalanced and unless you're just killing the opposing team on the boards, you're not even getting your defense set, off of your own misses/turnovers, half of the time.

If Fournier is unplayable on the worst shooting team in the league, why would we want him?

I'd be fine with a LeVert + 2nds for Burks/Noel deal, give Noel a chance to put in some effort and earn a rotation spot, but otherwise mostly break one expiring into two in case there's some other deadline deal.

[jbk1234]

If Fournier was a bad contract last year, it's even worse this year. He's having a worse season than LeVert so far.

And he's gotten DNP'd like ten games in a row. I think you swap LeVert for him, grab some draft capital, and maybe attach that, or seconds, to Cedi for a Burks swap. Stevens, Okoro, and Diakite can be the defensive specialists you sub in.

But too many of our rotations are horribly imbalanced and unless you're just killing the opposing team on the boards, you're not even getting your defense set, off of your own misses/turnovers, half of the time.

If Fournier is unplayable on the worst shooting team in the league, why would we want him?

I'd be fine with a LeVert + 2nds for Burks/Noel deal, give Noel a chance to put in some effort and earn a rotation spot, but otherwise mostly break one expiring into two in case there's some other deadline deal.

Well, I wouldn't mind turning LeVert's expiring into a two year deal unless you think TJ Warren might be available for MLE money next summer (I'm skeptical). But I don't know that Fournier is unplayable off the bench so much as Thibs is the coach, the Knicks have young guys they're trying to evaluate, and Fournier slumped to start the season. But his career average from 3 is what it is.

[JonFromVA]

I'd just point out Cedi has been a very impactful player for us.

I realize we'd all like to get the good things he brings with more consistency, but for instance compare Burks and Osman's 3pt shooting over the last 4 games:

Burks is 3 for 16 .vs. Osman who is 4 for 20.

Lots of variation in 3pt shooting, and a 3pt shooter that only shoots is useless when having an off night.

[toooskies]

And he's gotten DNP'd like ten games in a row. I think you swap LeVert for him, grab some draft capital, and maybe attach that, or seconds, to Cedi for a Burks swap. Stevens, Okoro, and Diakite can be the defensive specialists you sub in.

But too many of our rotations are horribly imbalanced and unless you're just killing the opposing team on the boards, you're not even getting your defense set, off of your own misses/turnovers, half of the time.

If Fournier is unplayable on the worst shooting team in the league, why would we want him?

I'd be fine with a LeVert + 2nds for Burks/Noel deal, give Noel a chance to put in some effort and earn a rotation spot, but otherwise mostly break one expiring into two in case there's some other deadline deal.

Well, I wouldn't mind turning LeVert's expiring into a two year deal unless you think TJ Warren might be available for MLE money next summer (I'm skeptical). But I don't know that Fournier is unplayable off the bench so much as Thibs is the coach, the Knicks have young guys they're trying to evaluate, and Fournier slumped to start the season. But his career average from 3 is what it is.

His career average from 3 doesn't indicate whether he's playable now or not. Do you think JBB has more patience for a guy who doesn't play defense than Thibs does?

[jbk1234]

I'd just point out Cedi has been a very impactful player for us.

I realize we'd all like to get the good things he brings with more consistency, but for instance compare Burks and Osman's 3pt shooting over the last 4 games:

Burks is 3 for 16 .vs. Osman who is 4 for 20.

Lots of variation in 3pt shooting, and a 3pt shooter that only shoots is useless when having an off night.

Burks has a considerably higher 3 point % on a very large sample size. Cedi is streaky as all get out. I'm just looking for guys opposing teams will be reluctant to help off of. Those guys help by just being present on the court.

[JonFromVA]

I'd just point out Cedi has been a very impactful player for us.

I realize we'd all like to get the good things he brings with more consistency, but for instance compare Burks and Osman's 3pt shooting over the last 4 games:

Burks is 3 for 16 .vs. Osman who is 4 for 20.

Lots of variation in 3pt shooting, and a 3pt shooter that only shoots is useless when having an off night.

Burks has a considerably higher 3 point % on a very large sample size. Cedi is streaky as all get out. I'm just looking for guys opposing teams will be reluctant to help off of. Those guys help by just being present on the court.

I'm just pointing out 3pt shooting is pretty streaky by nature. We beat the Lakers inspite of shooting 26% from 3pt (it helped they shot 17%). We need to consider everything we'd be getting in a new player and everything we'd be losing in trade.