2024-25 Regular Season

[mcfly1204]

All these moves happening and we are just sitting on the sidelines. Someone make me feel better because if we run it back with the same group we are getting smoked in the first round

Our players are still young, so that's a silver lining lol

But yes, Knicks and 76ers have made huge improvements this summer.

Celtics didn't need to do much, Bucks still right there.

We'll see what else the Magic and Pacers do.

As is, Cavs sitting probably at 5th or 6th.

Koby really does need to be fired, it's not 2017 anymore, time for some fresh eyes on this roster construction.

If they are really running it back then I agree. I think this roster has topped out at a second round exit. To me, Garland has to be moved, I know most here won't agree saying that moving him would be selling low, but he is paid like he's Chris Paul but he plays like Jeff Teague. I understand if Mitchell doesn't extend then he has to be moved but he is better now than Garland will ever be imo.
Just sitting on the sidelines while other contenders in the East are improving really bothers me, and the architect of this roster is also responsible for the ongoing paralysis in terms of improving this roster. It looks to me like Kobe is just trying to hang on to his job for one more season, but this Mitchell extension delay may be the end of Kobe's time here.

Considering injuries, how many games has this core played together?

[Wisedude]

Cavs should sign Tristan Vukcevic who was released by Washington. 21 year old stretch PF who is a good shooter. But they won't because they are not smart enough.

[axeman23]

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Odd this is all we have on the Mitchell negotiations after their meeting in LA. In general, I like that Mitchell's camp is quiet and it seems the Cavs FO isn't leaking anything, but as a fan the question is "what is the hold up?"

We will see

Yeah, when i heard him say that at the end of the presser, i just rolled my eyes.

Like 2nd summer in a row guy refuses to extend yet he's "all about Cleveland". Like shut up Koby and do your job, trade the guy. If he wanted to be here, the extension would be done, like every other team has did with their players.

He has leverage, presumably there's something he wants to see happen, so stay tuned.

Of course other GM's can read the tea leaves too.

I suppose there's a chance he's just trying to be cute about the timing.

DM isn't transcendant/franchise-altering enough to be "cute". Take a dump, or get off the potty... We've given up/done MORE than enough for him at this point in time.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, when i heard him say that at the end of the presser, i just rolled my eyes.

Like 2nd summer in a row guy refuses to extend yet he's "all about Cleveland". Like shut up Koby and do your job, trade the guy. If he wanted to be here, the extension would be done, like every other team has did with their players.

This guy Altman truly thinks everything will fix itself and is adverse to any big decision making. My speculative guess is there's a holdup on some other negotiations and optionality they want to pursue before bringing the offer sheet but it's a bit concerning....so much effort is put in maintaining the optics around the Mitchell extension like come on.

Mitchell will extend, or not. The Cavs have done what was asked and then some. It's up to Mitchell now.

We're not privy to what Mitchell has asked - unless you expected him to blab private communications to Woj or Shams when the league is just getting rolling with free agency and trades.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 2010 when the Cavs tried to tell LeBron about all their great plans except the only thing they managed to do was fire Mike Brown and replace him with Byron Scott.

Or you could think of it like Giannis and the Bucks last year. Firing Bud and hiring a guy Giannis liked wasn't enough, he wanted a splashy move that would improve the Bucks and address their struggles to close games. He signed when got Dame.

The East contenders seem to be getting stronger, while the Cavs have not made a significant roster move. Don has the most leverage until he puts pen to paper.

[JujitsuFlip]

This guy Altman truly thinks everything will fix itself and is adverse to any big decision making. My speculative guess is there's a holdup on some other negotiations and optionality they want to pursue before bringing the offer sheet but it's a bit concerning....so much effort is put in maintaining the optics around the Mitchell extension like come on.

Mitchell will extend, or not. The Cavs have done what was asked and then some. It's up to Mitchell now.

We're not privy to what Mitchell has asked - unless you expected him to blab private communications to Woj or Shams when the league is just getting rolling with free agency and trades.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 2010 when the Cavs tried to tell LeBron about all their great plans except the only thing they managed to do was fire Mike Brown and replace him with Byron Scott.

Or you could think of it like Giannis and the Bucks last year. Firing Bud and hiring a guy Giannis liked wasn't enough, he wanted a splashy move that would improve the Bucks and address their struggles to close games. He signed when got Dame.

The East contenders seem to be getting stronger, while the Cavs have not made a significant roster move. Don has the most leverage until he puts pen to paper.

I mean Don allegedly wants his other 3 members of the core 4 to be here. We traded all our draft assets ti acquire Don.

In this hypothetical, idk exactly how Don thinks we're getting another star here.

The reality is probably more so, Don is not going to extend and the Cavs are trying to talk him into it.

Koby is a drunk so i fully anticipate he will allow Don to go into the season on his current contract, the guy isn't very bright.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, when i heard him say that at the end of the presser, i just rolled my eyes.

Like 2nd summer in a row guy refuses to extend yet he's "all about Cleveland". Like shut up Koby and do your job, trade the guy. If he wanted to be here, the extension would be done, like every other team has did with their players.

He has leverage, presumably there's something he wants to see happen, so stay tuned.

Of course other GM's can read the tea leaves too.

I suppose there's a chance he's just trying to be cute about the timing.

DM isn't transcendant/franchise-altering enough to be "cute". Take a dump, or get off the potty... We've given up/done MORE than enough for him at this point in time.

News to me. You don't really need me to remind you how the season ended, do you?

If he has had talks with Altman regarding change he'd like to see made and Altman was ammenable to seeing if he could get it done, this is exactly how it would go. No point in acting desperate, showing your hand, or pissing off teammates.

Koby made Mitchell our franchise player by giving up so much for him and if anyone wanted to object to that, they've failed miserably to make their case on the floor.

There's some purpose to this delay and timing is the only reason I can imagine that doesn't have implications for the teams future construction.

[JonFromVA]

Mitchell will extend, or not. The Cavs have done what was asked and then some. It's up to Mitchell now.

We're not privy to what Mitchell has asked - unless you expected him to blab private communications to Woj or Shams when the league is just getting rolling with free agency and trades.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 2010 when the Cavs tried to tell LeBron about all their great plans except the only thing they managed to do was fire Mike Brown and replace him with Byron Scott.

Or you could think of it like Giannis and the Bucks last year. Firing Bud and hiring a guy Giannis liked wasn't enough, he wanted a splashy move that would improve the Bucks and address their struggles to close games. He signed when got Dame.

The East contenders seem to be getting stronger, while the Cavs have not made a significant roster move. Don has the most leverage until he puts pen to paper.

I mean Don allegedly wants his other 3 members of the core 4 to be here. We traded all our draft assets ti acquire Don.

In this hypothetical, idk exactly how Don thinks we're getting another star here.

The reality is probably more so, Don is not going to extend and the Cavs are trying to talk him into it.

Koby is a drunk so i fully anticipate he will allow Don to go into the season on his current contract, the guy isn't very bright.

It's a mistake to assume we know what Don wants. It's what we should be guessing at, but it's non trivial to sort out the breadcrumbs from the smokescreens without a true insider source.

[JujitsuFlip]

We're not privy to what Mitchell has asked - unless you expected him to blab private communications to Woj or Shams when the league is just getting rolling with free agency and trades.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 2010 when the Cavs tried to tell LeBron about all their great plans except the only thing they managed to do was fire Mike Brown and replace him with Byron Scott.

Or you could think of it like Giannis and the Bucks last year. Firing Bud and hiring a guy Giannis liked wasn't enough, he wanted a splashy move that would improve the Bucks and address their struggles to close games. He signed when got Dame.

The East contenders seem to be getting stronger, while the Cavs have not made a significant roster move. Don has the most leverage until he puts pen to paper.

I mean Don allegedly wants his other 3 members of the core 4 to be here. We traded all our draft assets ti acquire Don.

In this hypothetical, idk exactly how Don thinks we're getting another star here.

The reality is probably more so, Don is not going to extend and the Cavs are trying to talk him into it.

Koby is a drunk so i fully anticipate he will allow Don to go into the season on his current contract, the guy isn't very bright.

It's a mistake to assume we know what Don wants. It's what we should be guessing at, but it's non trivial to sort out the breadcrumbs from the smokescreens without a true insider source.

I mean, either way the guy isn't signed, that is the issue. The reason as to why he isn't signed can be a bigger issue but currently him not signing after being eligible for 2 weeks, highly concerning.

[KGDirkTD_Fan]

We're not privy to what Mitchell has asked - unless you expected him to blab private communications to Woj or Shams when the league is just getting rolling with free agency and trades.

It's somewhat reminiscent of 2010 when the Cavs tried to tell LeBron about all their great plans except the only thing they managed to do was fire Mike Brown and replace him with Byron Scott.

Or you could think of it like Giannis and the Bucks last year. Firing Bud and hiring a guy Giannis liked wasn't enough, he wanted a splashy move that would improve the Bucks and address their struggles to close games. He signed when got Dame.

The East contenders seem to be getting stronger, while the Cavs have not made a significant roster move. Don has the most leverage until he puts pen to paper.

I mean Don allegedly wants his other 3 members of the core 4 to be here. We traded all our draft assets ti acquire Don.

In this hypothetical, idk exactly how Don thinks we're getting another star here.

The reality is probably more so, Don is not going to extend and the Cavs are trying to talk him into it.

Koby is a drunk so i fully anticipate he will allow Don to go into the season on his current contract, the guy isn't very bright.

It's a mistake to assume we know what Don wants. It's what we should be guessing at, but it's non trivial to sort out the breadcrumbs from the smokescreens without a true insider source.

We don't, nobody wants to be that explicit putting themselves out there having significant influence on front office decision...its understandable.

So it's making decisions from Altmans perspective on what gets the team in a better position when it comes to the offer sheet. All they can do is look back in the last 12 months on the behavior and internal interactions with DM in figure out what he would favor and what he won't. I don't think he will explicitly say hire Kenny or trade me. So with that in mind I will delude myself into thinking there's another move the Cavs are going to make before making the offer sheet.

[axeman23]

He has leverage, presumably there's something he wants to see happen, so stay tuned.

Of course other GM's can read the tea leaves too.

I suppose there's a chance he's just trying to be cute about the timing.

DM isn't transcendant/franchise-altering enough to be "cute". Take a dump, or get off the potty... We've given up/done MORE than enough for him at this point in time.

News to me. You don't really need me to remind you how the season ended, do you?

If he has had talks with Altman regarding change he'd like to see made and Altman was ammenable to seeing if he could get it done, this is exactly how it would go. No point in acting desperate, showing your hand, or pissing off teammates.

Koby made Mitchell our franchise player by giving up so much for him and if anyone wanted to object to that, they've failed miserably to make their case on the floor.

There's some purpose to this delay and timing is the only reason I can imagine that doesn't have implications for the teams future construction.

Every franchise more or less has a "franchise player", its whether that guy DESERVES the tag that really matters. If you're happy to make the 2nd round, then claim "the cards just didn't fall right for us", i guess DM makes a fine "franchise player". I personally think we muffed it, at the time of the trade and now. You don't, which is fine. Each to their own...

[jbk1234]

All these moves happening and we are just sitting on the sidelines. Someone make me feel better because if we run it back with the same group we are getting smoked in the first round

Our players are still young, so that's a silver lining lol

But yes, Knicks and 76ers have made huge improvements this summer.

Celtics didn't need to do much, Bucks still right there.

We'll see what else the Magic and Pacers do.

As is, Cavs sitting probably at 5th or 6th.

Koby really does need to be fired, it's not 2017 anymore, time for some fresh eyes on this roster construction.

If they are really running it back then I agree. I think this roster has topped out at a second round exit. To me, Garland has to be moved, I know most here won't agree saying that moving him would be selling low, but he is paid like he's Chris Paul but he plays like Jeff Teague. I understand if Mitchell doesn't extend then he has to be moved but he is better now than Garland will ever be imo.
Just sitting on the sidelines while other contenders in the East are improving really bothers me, and the architect of this roster is also responsible for the ongoing paralysis in terms of improving this roster. It looks to me like Kobe is just trying to hang on to his job for one more season, but this Mitchell extension delay may be the end of Kobe's time here.

And this is how you get fired as an actual GM. You don't sell your 24-year old PG after an injury-plagued, down season. You definitely don't do that while there's still a chance Mitchell could tell you he wants a trade.

The Celtics just hung their 18th Championship banner because they didn't freak out after a couple of disappointing playoff runs and trade Tatum or Brown.

[jbk1234]

Cavs should sign Tristan Vukcevic who was released by Washington. 21 year old stretch PF who is a good shooter. But they won't because they are not smart enough.

They won't because they can't without knowing how much cap space they have and they won't know that until an offer sheet is presented.

[ijspeelman]

Cavs should sign Tristan Vukcevic who was released by Washington. 21 year old stretch PF who is a good shooter. But they won't because they are not smart enough.

Calling him a stretch big may be stretching it based on his small sample in the NBA last season. From the shorter line (ABA league), he was a ~43% 3P which would translate to anywhere between 37ish to 41ish in the NBA. Volume seems to be between that of Okoro and Dean Wade.

However, I'd consider 98 attempts over three years to be a relatively small sample. I think he's worth a two-way spot, but we don't really have one open and our actual roster spots are still open for more proven NBA players.

[ijspeelman]

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[KuruptedCav]

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Kind of the expected framework. Cavs get +2yrs to figure it out.


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[toooskies]

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[ijspeelman]

It's more surprising to me, honestly, that Mobley hasn't extended. That should also have been a slam dunk unless we are considering trading him or are low-balling him.

And now its time to worry about this lol

[toooskies]

It's more surprising to me, honestly, that Mobley hasn't extended. That should also have been a slam dunk unless we are considering trading him or are low-balling him.

And now its time to worry about this lol

There isn't really any worry involved there. Worst-case, the Cavs simply don't agree to terms this summer and can match any contract offer next summer.

And they can always pivot to extending Allen and trading Mobley.