Trade Ideas - Part 2

[ProcessDoctor]

Sixers fan here. What were people's thoughts on that CP3-Kyrie trade idea about a week ago on ESPN?

[Dupp]

Sixers fan here. What were people's thoughts on that CP3-Kyrie trade idea about a week ago on ESPN?

Im extremely pro cp3 for kyrie.

[lambchop]

http://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-radar-picking-up-lethal-shooters-and-rim-protectors/


some interesting trade rumors popping up:

mozgov for koufos
mo williams and a pick for kyle korver

And interest in Ben mclemore and tyreke evans too.

Tbh imo koufos and korver would make a lot of sense for the cavs. I'm not sold on mclemore despite his athleticism and shooting ability, due to his lack of experience.
Evans is really ball dominant and a non shooter so I could see him playing alongside kyrie with kyrie playing sg, but not alongside lebron.

Though a lineup of love - bron - korver - smith - kyrie would lack rim protection, it would extremely difficult to defend

[Dupp]

Korver would be amazing asik and evens would be a disaster.

We should take tyreke under no circumstance and only way we take asik is to take his contract I order to facilitate a better deal.


Seems unlikely we have assets for koufus and korver though.

Seriously if we got asik he's probably play 20 minutes In the finals he wouldn't help at all

[jbk1234]

http://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-radar-picking-up-lethal-shooters-and-rim-protectors/


some interesting trade rumors popping up:

mozgov for koufos
mo williams and a pick for kyle korver

And interest in Ben mclemore and tyreke evans too.

Tbh imo koufos and korver would make a lot of sense for the cavs. I'm not sold on mclemore despite his athleticism and shooting ability, due to his lack of experience.
Evans is really ball dominant and a non shooter so I could see him playing alongside kyrie with kyrie playing sg, but not alongside lebron.

Though a lineup of love - bron - korver - smith - kyrie would lack rim protection, it would extremely difficult to defend

My faith in Griffin will be truly shaken if these moves happen. First of trading Mozgov for the sake of trading him is stupid. As far as Tyreke Evans, that makes zero sense. I'm meh on Korver. At a certain point you still have to get stops in this league.

[lambchop]

http://cavsnation.com/cavs-rumors-radar-picking-up-lethal-shooters-and-rim-protectors/


some interesting trade rumors popping up:

mozgov for koufos
mo williams and a pick for kyle korver

And interest in Ben mclemore and tyreke evans too.

Tbh imo koufos and korver would make a lot of sense for the cavs. I'm not sold on mclemore despite his athleticism and shooting ability, due to his lack of experience.
Evans is really ball dominant and a non shooter so I could see him playing alongside kyrie with kyrie playing sg, but not alongside lebron.

Though a lineup of love - bron - korver - smith - kyrie would lack rim protection, it would extremely difficult to defend

My faith in Griffin will be truly shaken if these moves happen. First of trading Mozgov for the sake of trading him is stupid. As far as Tyreke Evans, that makes zero sense. I'm meh on Korver. At a certain point you still have to get stops in this league.

Korvers defense isn't THAT bad. He plays 30mpg in atl. Let him play less and he'll be more efficient on D.
Plus the cavs need a 3pt shooter imo. Yea I know the cavs have a lot of "shooters". But their best shooters aren't volume shooters, apart from jr. Jefferson and delly aren't capable of making 5+ threes in a game. Love can do that at times, but is streak. Kyrie has been off. Bron cant shoot. Shump is streaky.

Korver and jr are 2 plays the defense has to aware of at all times. That makes life easier for kyrie, who gets his points at the rim and from mid range and easier for bron, who gets his points at the rim and love would also benefit.

imo korver can be a difference maker

[Dupp]

Yeah big on the korver bandwagon. Would be perfect which is why it won't happen.


Something has to give with moz. He's terrible right now and he's not looking like he's improved one bit all season. I could see him being moved for sure.

[jbk1234]

Yeah big on the korver bandwagon. Would be perfect which is why it won't happen.


Something has to give with moz. He's terrible right now and he's not looking like he's improved one bit all season. I could see him being moved for sure.

He can still protect the rim better than anyone else on the roster, he's only paid $5 million this year, and I don't see us getting value for him. I'm not a fan of shaking up this roster for the point of shaking it up. The Cavs need more continuity, not less.

[Dupp]

I think if we can get koufus we'll pull the trigger.

Moz is going against nab standards here, it's a contract year ffs.

[jbk1234]

I think if we can get koufus we'll pull the trigger.

Moz is going against nab standards here, it's a contract year ffs.

Forget about what the Cavs gave up for him and forget about how he played last year. Is Mozgov's rim protection and ability to defend 7 foot centers worth the $5 million we're paying him? I think the answer has to be yes. If you give that up, are you a better team based on what you get back? I haven't seen that trade. Koufus isn't the defender that Mozgov is.

[taikibansei]

Forget about what the Cavs gave up for him and forget about how he played last year. Is Mozgov's rim protection and ability to defend 7 foot centers worth the $5 million we're paying him? I think the answer has to be yes. If you give that up, are you a better team based on what you get back? I haven't seen that trade. Koufus isn't the defender that Mozgov is.

I'd change that to "isn't the defender that Mozgov was...last year." This year, as I've posted (with links) before, he's been a negative on the court, with the Cavs' defense actually improving when he sits. Koufus would be an improvement over this year's Mozgov, in my opinion.

However, the Kings have already rejected the trade idea:
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/02/cavs-eye-korver-evans-asik-kings-reject-mozgov.html

Korver would be ideal, but I don't see how we could get him. As for Tyreke Evans and Omer Asik, I am a bit stunned at how badly both (but especially Asik) have sucked this year. If we could get the Asik of even two years ago, I'd jump for joy.

The Howard-for-Love trade idea is also intriguing, although Howard being such a mental midget--wanting to be an offensive hub but refusing to work on his offensive game (and then pouting and blaming others when he doesn't get enough points/touches)--could backfire on the Cavs. (I could see a major playoff meltdown if LeBron and Irving start--as you know they would--playing hero ball...and the Cavs lose a game....)

[taikibansei]

Though a lineup of love - bron - korver - smith - kyrie would lack rim protection, it would extremely difficult to defend

True, but only if there was proper ball movement and everyone shared the ball equally. (And meanwhile, there'd be lay-up lines happening on the other end....)

[Dupp]

I think if we can get koufus we'll pull the trigger.

Moz is going against nab standards here, it's a contract year ffs.

Forget about what the Cavs gave up for him and forget about how he played last year. Is Mozgov's rim protection and ability to defend 7 foot centers worth the $5 million we're paying him? I think the answer has to be yes. If you give that up, are you a better team based on what you get back? I haven't seen that trade. Koufus isn't the defender that Mozgov is.

His rim protection has been awful this year he's too slow.
His ability to defend 7 foot centres is completely useless. Really how would that help us against the Warriors? It wouldn't.

It was great against curry and green and co in the finals he really limited there ability in the paint but on this seasons form he won't be stopping anything.

[jbk1234]

I think if we can get koufus we'll pull the trigger.

Moz is going against nab standards here, it's a contract year ffs.

Forget about what the Cavs gave up for him and forget about how he played last year. Is Mozgov's rim protection and ability to defend 7 foot centers worth the $5 million we're paying him? I think the answer has to be yes. If you give that up, are you a better team based on what you get back? I haven't seen that trade. Koufus isn't the defender that Mozgov is.

His rim protection has been awful this year he's too slow.
His ability to defend 7 foot centres is completely useless. Really how would that help us against the Warriors? It wouldn't.

It was great against curry and green and co in the finals he really limited there ability in the paint but on this seasons form he won't be stopping anything.

I think we're watching two different players. Mozgov's hands have turned into bricks. He can't rebound or hold every other pass. But he's still the only thing between the Cavs and a layup drill a lot of nights. I'd rather pay Mozgov $5 million to sit on the bench against GS than not have him and need him against another team.

[Dupp]

Yeah I don't agree at all. He's easily a step slower this year in rotations he's so average at everything.

[Aintnohater]

Ive been watching a couple of Cavs games...and I must say, Mo Williams and Mozgov need to go asap...Idk if Williams finger or w.e is still bothering him, but the guy cant dribble or shoot for his life anymore from what ive seen from him lately, and mosgov is just useless this year...Ive been saying for a while that if the Cavs wanna win a championship they need to trade for Ariza, someone who can backup Lebron, or play smallball with them and anchor up their defense, by guarding 4 positions if needed. Idk why they are so interested in Joe johnson, or ben mclemore, jarded Dudley does make some sense since he is a good defender and can also stretch out. But yeah...get rid of Mozzy and Mo williams and try getting Ariza and they would be 10x better imo.

[pootbrah]

not a trade idea but cavs need to sign ryan broekhoff aka the ultimate 3 and d wing. its a joke hes not already in the league. he also has the delly connection having been teammates with him for several years. plays lockdown d and is a lights out shooter. championship guaranteed if he started at sg for them.

[johnnyballgame]

not a trade idea but cavs need to sign ryan broekhoff aka the ultimate 3 and d wing. its a joke hes not already in the league. he also has the delly connection having been teammates with him for several years. plays lockdown d and is a lights out shooter. championship guaranteed if he started at sg for them.

Broekhoff, you say Bro-tato chip. I'm certain the Cavs arent thinking as outside the box as you are Teddy Bro-sevelt. That guy played summer league with the Nuggets and clearly didn't excite teams. Is it a problem if he's in the first year of a three year deal Bro-fessor?

It's going to be a miracle for the Cavs to get anything done. All they got last year was two guys the Knicks were trying hard to part with for two years (and one we had to pay $10m per) and Denver's third string center for not one but two first round picks. JR has been better than expected and I'm glad he's here but teams can see our obvious desperation in these situations and are killing us for it. This time we don't have any picks to offer and I can't see Griffin shaking it up that much by trading Love. Not even for a Melo. That can be done in the upcoming offseason after a playoff run, no?
Mo Williams and or Mozgov expiring don't appear like they're all that valuable.. Especially to a rebuilding team. Mozgov is cap space but not a lot.

Praying for a miracle.

[lambchop]

I could see cle seriously shaking up the roster, but losing some chemistry in the process or just sticking to their guns and banking kyrie and love staying healthy.
They could end looking like this:
koufos/andy
melo/tt
bron/ korver/
jr/ shump/ afflalo?
kyrie/ delly

[jbk1234]

Just and FYI about the Celtics/Knicks rumor, whatever is going on between those teams the Cavs aren't part of the discussion:

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2016/02/lebron_james_on_carmelo_anthon.html#incart_social_feature