Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

Does Merrill, TT & seconds for Sharpe get us out of the tax?

Probably gets us deeper into the tax with the other player we’ll add to the roster. Sharpe makes $3.9m.

Yabusele might be the better option for that kind of move?

I have Yabulse as awfully redundant with Niang. I'm looking for someone who's more of a 5/4 than a straight 4. Boucher is my favorite target.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs won't make any trades, in reality but the ideas are fun to think about.

[mcfly1204]

Does Merrill, TT & seconds for Sharpe get us out of the tax?

Probably gets us deeper into the tax with the other player we’ll add to the roster. Sharpe makes $3.9m.

Yabusele might be the better option for that kind of move?

I have Yabulse as awfully redundant with Niang. I'm looking for someone who's more of a 5/4 than a straight 4. Boucher is my favorite target.

I hear ya, though I am looking for a 4/5. What's the appeal with Boucher? He can shoot a bit, but he never struck me as much of a 5. He's also on an expiring deal, and I have no idea what he'll be looking for.

[ijspeelman]

Cavs won't make any trades, in reality but the ideas are fun to think about.

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

[jbk1234]

Probably gets us deeper into the tax with the other player we’ll add to the roster. Sharpe makes $3.9m.

Yabusele might be the better option for that kind of move?

I have Yabulse as awfully redundant with Niang. I'm looking for someone who's more of a 5/4 than a straight 4. Boucher is my favorite target.

I hear ya, though I am looking for a 4/5. What's the appeal with Boucher? He can shoot a bit, but he never struck me as much of a 5. He's also on an expiring deal, and I have no idea what he'll be looking for.

He can offer some rim protection, is mobile, and can switch a bit.

[JujitsuFlip]

Cavs won't make any trades, in reality but the ideas are fun to think about.

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10151161-nba-rumors-cavs-reluctant-to-make-trades-that-could-hurt-chemistry-before-deadline

I'm just basing it on this, per NBA insiders Marc Stein and Jake Fischer.

"Beyond its four mainstays, Cleveland is said to be listening to pitches but generally reluctant to do any sort of trade-deadline tinkering given how good the chemistry has been during the Atkinson Era".

[JonFromVA]

Cavs won't make any trades, in reality but the ideas are fun to think about.

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

Well, while continuity and stability have their own appeal, circumstances are pretty ripe for it:

- a tradable first round pick albeit way out in to the future
- a young player equivalent to a first round pick in Tyson
- a young player some GM might want to develop in Bates
- multiple seconds
- we're already a slight bit in to the tax and may prefer to get out of it or just go full in
- 3 players we may lose this Summer and may wish to consolidate or clear space for now
- the #1 record in the league with a legit shot to win it all
- Windy's report that agents are telling him stars want to play for the Cavs
- a lot of teams tanking this season
- the threat of young teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and the Magic using their assets to pass us by
- the threat of teams like the Grizzlies, Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, Clippers, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, Hawks, etc, tweaking their roster enough to pass us

I'd just love to see the Cavs salary plan for the coming years to get an idea how much money we actually have to spend on the SF spot and our bench, because I've always felt we'd have to cheap out on the SF spot at least in the long-term. But I suppose we could go all-in in the short term and for instance the fact Cam Johnson is only under contract for another season could be seen as a good thing.

[JonFromVA]

Something else I thought I might add to my list is the possibility that Dan Gilbert may be engaged with the team again and we know full well that staying the course when there's a window of opportunity is not the way he works. He recently tweeted about the Cavs after the Thunder game and he's been making public appearances.

[mcfly1204]

Something else I thought I might add to my list is the possibility that Dan Gilbert may be engaged with the team again and we know full well that staying the course when there's a window of opportunity is not the way he works. He recently tweeted about the Cavs after the Thunder game and he's been making public appearances.

If DG is back in the fold, are his pockets wide open?

[toooskies]

Cavs won't make any trades, in reality but the ideas are fun to think about.

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

Well, while continuity and stability have their own appeal, circumstances are pretty ripe for it:

- a tradable first round pick albeit way out in to the future
- a young player equivalent to a first round pick in Tyson
- a young player some GM might want to develop in Bates
- multiple seconds
- we're already a slight bit in to the tax and may prefer to get out of it or just go full in
- 3 players we may lose this Summer and may wish to consolidate or clear space for now
- the #1 record in the league with a legit shot to win it all
- Windy's report that agents are telling him stars want to play for the Cavs
- a lot of teams tanking this season
- the threat of young teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and the Magic using their assets to pass us by
- the threat of teams like the Grizzlies, Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, Clippers, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, Hawks, etc, tweaking their roster enough to pass us

I'd just love to see the Cavs salary plan for the coming years to get an idea how much money we actually have to spend on the SF spot and our bench, because I've always felt we'd have to cheap out on the SF spot at least in the long-term. But I suppose we could go all-in in the short term and for instance the fact Cam Johnson is only under contract for another season could be seen as a good thing.

- The 2031 pick only has value to GMs who will reasonably still be employed by their team that far out, and the list of those guys is slim.
- We might hope another team values Tyson as a 1st but given he hasn’t shown anything of significance on an NBA court yet, he’s unlikely to have value.
- Any GM could have offered Bates a real NBA contract and didn’t in the offseason. Since then he hasn’t shown anything mostly missed time.
- Our 2nds aren’t particularly high value given our roster.
- We can duck the tax by trading TT with a 2nd at the deadline and then signing Travers (or another rookie) to the full roster. Unless Okoro meets his unlikely incentives.
- I’d prefer to keep at least two of our three free agents this offseason. I could see us offloading one, but unless it’s LeVert that isn’t a lot of salary going out.

I just don’t think we beat offers for guys that are in demand around the league. It’s more of save-face offer for a distressed asset. And at that point you have to question whether it’s worth the disruption.

A small deal around the edges makes sense, probably with Merrill who’d be useful to a playoff team that needs depth and he’d be happy to go somewhere that’s more likely to pay him.

[JujitsuFlip]

Looking back at 4 times in history.

2005-06 Pistons they traded Dupree to the Wolves for a 2nd round pick in October. Then they traded Arroyo and Darko (won 2004 title with them) to the Magic for a 1st round pick and Kelvin Cato. Finally they signed Tony Delk in March. Delk was like their 8th man in the playoff rotation, only 8.6 mpg.

2010-11 Celtics they were busy at the February deadline. Traded Perkins (won 2008 title with them) and Nate Robinson to OKC for Jeff Green, Krstic, a 1st and 2nd rounder. Then traded Daniels to the Kings for a 2nd rounder. Last trade was Erden and Harangody to the Cavs for a 2nd rounder. Then in March they signed Troy Murphy, Pavlovic, and Arroyo. Jeff Green was firmly in their playoff rotation, Krstic only play 8mpg in the playoffs.

2014-15 Hawks they traded Adreian Payne to the Wolves for a 1st round pick in February. In April they signed Daye. Daye didn't log a single minute in the playoffs.

2017-18 Warriors in April they waived Casppi and converted Quinn Cook to a standard deal. Cook saw 10.2 mpg in the playoffs.

Warriors were the only team of the 4 mentioned to play in the Finals and win a title.

[toooskies]

Does Merrill, TT & seconds for Sharpe get us out of the tax?

Probably gets us deeper into the tax with the other player we’ll add to the roster. Sharpe makes $3.9m.

Yabusele might be the better option for that kind of move?

I have Yabulse as awfully redundant with Niang. I'm looking for someone who's more of a 5/4 than a straight 4. Boucher is my favorite target.

Yabusele has played 5 for the Sixers (76% of his minutes according to bbref), is longer than Niang, is more athletic (18 dunks to zero for Niang), and can play next to all our other bigs. He’s also a minimum salary that we can take on for no returning salary.

Boucher I wouldn’t be upset by, but the salary means we have to give up a player and disrupt chemistry a bit. He’s also expiring and 32, so he is not a long-term piece.

[jbk1234]

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

Well, while continuity and stability have their own appeal, circumstances are pretty ripe for it:

- a tradable first round pick albeit way out in to the future
- a young player equivalent to a first round pick in Tyson
- a young player some GM might want to develop in Bates
- multiple seconds
- we're already a slight bit in to the tax and may prefer to get out of it or just go full in
- 3 players we may lose this Summer and may wish to consolidate or clear space for now
- the #1 record in the league with a legit shot to win it all
- Windy's report that agents are telling him stars want to play for the Cavs
- a lot of teams tanking this season
- the threat of young teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and the Magic using their assets to pass us by
- the threat of teams like the Grizzlies, Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, Clippers, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, Hawks, etc, tweaking their roster enough to pass us

I'd just love to see the Cavs salary plan for the coming years to get an idea how much money we actually have to spend on the SF spot and our bench, because I've always felt we'd have to cheap out on the SF spot at least in the long-term. But I suppose we could go all-in in the short term and for instance the fact Cam Johnson is only under contract for another season could be seen as a good thing.

- The 2031 pick only has value to GMs who will reasonably still be employed by their team that far out, and the list of those guys is slim.
- We might hope another team values Tyson as a 1st but given he hasn’t shown anything of significance on an NBA court yet, he’s unlikely to have value.
- Any GM could have offered Bates a real NBA contract and didn’t in the offseason. Since then he hasn’t shown anything mostly missed time.
- Our 2nds aren’t particularly high value given our roster.
- We can duck the tax by trading TT with a 2nd at the deadline and then signing Travers (or another rookie) to the full roster. Unless Okoro meets his unlikely incentives.
- I’d prefer to keep at least two of our three free agents this offseason. I could see us offloading one, but unless it’s LeVert that isn’t a lot of salary going out.

I just don’t think we beat offers for guys that are in demand around the league. It’s more of save-face offer for a distressed asset. And at that point you have to question whether it’s worth the disruption.

A small deal around the edges makes sense, probably with Merrill who’d be useful to a playoff team that needs depth and he’d be happy to go somewhere that’s more likely to pay him.

I think LeVert's expiring contract has value and is one of the reasons the Nets might prefer to deal with the Cavs. It doesn't follow that Cam would be a wise target.

The idea that money is no object to Gilbert is a little over sold. We ended up trading Richard Jefferson due to repeater tax issues in LBJ's last season. You could argue that our window had already closed with the Kyrie trade (or with Durant signing with the Warriors), but we could've used RJ.

Also, watching the apron teams, especially second apron teams, attempt to execute trades should inform the Cavs decision about blowing past them. Retaining Ty Jerome next summer should be a priority. I'm okay with either Levert or Merrill signing elsewhere. I tend to think Cavs fans overrate their market tbh. Merrill's value is closely tied to his contract and LeVert has been on an expiring contract two out of his four years on our roster. The phones haven't exactly been ringing off the hook with great offers.

The tough call is whether you want to pay to get off Niang's future money now. I feel like an older vet on a minimum contract lmaocan give you 80% of what he can and when you're a tax team, you trim salary with guys who are going to be hard to play in the postseason anyway.

[toooskies]

Well, while continuity and stability have their own appeal, circumstances are pretty ripe for it:

- a tradable first round pick albeit way out in to the future
- a young player equivalent to a first round pick in Tyson
- a young player some GM might want to develop in Bates
- multiple seconds
- we're already a slight bit in to the tax and may prefer to get out of it or just go full in
- 3 players we may lose this Summer and may wish to consolidate or clear space for now
- the #1 record in the league with a legit shot to win it all
- Windy's report that agents are telling him stars want to play for the Cavs
- a lot of teams tanking this season
- the threat of young teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and the Magic using their assets to pass us by
- the threat of teams like the Grizzlies, Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, Clippers, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, Hawks, etc, tweaking their roster enough to pass us

I'd just love to see the Cavs salary plan for the coming years to get an idea how much money we actually have to spend on the SF spot and our bench, because I've always felt we'd have to cheap out on the SF spot at least in the long-term. But I suppose we could go all-in in the short term and for instance the fact Cam Johnson is only under contract for another season could be seen as a good thing.

- The 2031 pick only has value to GMs who will reasonably still be employed by their team that far out, and the list of those guys is slim.
- We might hope another team values Tyson as a 1st but given he hasn’t shown anything of significance on an NBA court yet, he’s unlikely to have value.
- Any GM could have offered Bates a real NBA contract and didn’t in the offseason. Since then he hasn’t shown anything mostly missed time.
- Our 2nds aren’t particularly high value given our roster.
- We can duck the tax by trading TT with a 2nd at the deadline and then signing Travers (or another rookie) to the full roster. Unless Okoro meets his unlikely incentives.
- I’d prefer to keep at least two of our three free agents this offseason. I could see us offloading one, but unless it’s LeVert that isn’t a lot of salary going out.

I just don’t think we beat offers for guys that are in demand around the league. It’s more of save-face offer for a distressed asset. And at that point you have to question whether it’s worth the disruption.

A small deal around the edges makes sense, probably with Merrill who’d be useful to a playoff team that needs depth and he’d be happy to go somewhere that’s more likely to pay him.

I think LeVert's expiring contract has value and is one of the reasons the Nets might prefer to deal with the Cavs. It doesn't follow that Cam would be a wise target.

The idea that money is no object to Gilbert is a little over sold. We ended up trading Richard Jefferson due to repeater tax issues in LBJ's last season. You could argue that our window had already closed with the Kyrie trade (or with Durant signing with the Warriors), but we could've used RJ.

Also, watching the apron teams, especially second apron teams, attempt to execute trades should inform the Cavs decision about blowing past them. Retaining Ty Jerome next summer should be a priority. I'm okay with either Levert or Merrill signing elsewhere. I tend to think Cavs fans overrate their market tbh. Merrill's value is closely tied to his contract and LeVert has been on an expiring contract two out of his four years on our roster. The phones haven't exactly been ringing off the hook with great offers.

The tough call is whether you want to pay to get off Niang's future money now. I feel like an older vet on a minimum contract lmaocan give you 80% of what he can and when you're a tax team, you trim salary with guys who are going to be hard to play in the postseason anyway.

I think the fact that the Cavs have to send more than LeVert’s expiring takes us out of Cam Johnson consideration. That, and he doesn’t add that much as a 4th or 5th option.

Niang is probably more valuable to have as an expiring next year to pick up whatever cheap rotation player we might need rather than paying to get off of his salary right now.

[ijspeelman]

Would you guys do a CPJ for Duop Reath swap?

I don't think his sample size this year is indicative of what he'd bring to the table as a back-up 5/4. I guess the question is if he's better than JT Thor and/or if its worth giving up PG depth

[JonFromVA]

Since we traded for LeVert, this is the first I've heard rumors of the Cavs even being in trade discussions mid-season

Not saying we pull one off, but I wouldn't put it past them. It does seem like they want to maximize this year's results

Well, while continuity and stability have their own appeal, circumstances are pretty ripe for it:

- a tradable first round pick albeit way out in to the future
- a young player equivalent to a first round pick in Tyson
- a young player some GM might want to develop in Bates
- multiple seconds
- we're already a slight bit in to the tax and may prefer to get out of it or just go full in
- 3 players we may lose this Summer and may wish to consolidate or clear space for now
- the #1 record in the league with a legit shot to win it all
- Windy's report that agents are telling him stars want to play for the Cavs
- a lot of teams tanking this season
- the threat of young teams like the Thunder, Spurs, Rockets, and the Magic using their assets to pass us by
- the threat of teams like the Grizzlies, Knicks, 76ers, Bucks, Clippers, Bucks, Heat, Nuggets, Hawks, etc, tweaking their roster enough to pass us

I'd just love to see the Cavs salary plan for the coming years to get an idea how much money we actually have to spend on the SF spot and our bench, because I've always felt we'd have to cheap out on the SF spot at least in the long-term. But I suppose we could go all-in in the short term and for instance the fact Cam Johnson is only under contract for another season could be seen as a good thing.

- The 2031 pick only has value to GMs who will reasonably still be employed by their team that far out, and the list of those guys is slim.
- We might hope another team values Tyson as a 1st but given he hasn’t shown anything of significance on an NBA court yet, he’s unlikely to have value.
- Any GM could have offered Bates a real NBA contract and didn’t in the offseason. Since then he hasn’t shown anything mostly missed time.
- Our 2nds aren’t particularly high value given our roster.
- We can duck the tax by trading TT with a 2nd at the deadline and then signing Travers (or another rookie) to the full roster. Unless Okoro meets his unlikely incentives.
- I’d prefer to keep at least two of our three free agents this offseason. I could see us offloading one, but unless it’s LeVert that isn’t a lot of salary going out.

I just don’t think we beat offers for guys that are in demand around the league. It’s more of save-face offer for a distressed asset. And at that point you have to question whether it’s worth the disruption.

A small deal around the edges makes sense, probably with Merrill who’d be useful to a playoff team that needs depth and he’d be happy to go somewhere that’s more likely to pay him.

A 2031 draft pick has some value because you can always turn around and trade it to a team that'd like to bet on the Cavs sucking when it comes due. Also the seconds we possess aren't all our own.

Anyway, of course other teams have more and better assets and can outbid us for talent if they want to, but they don't always do that. That's how we end up with players like Allen, LeVert, Strus, Jerome, Okoro, and even Mitchell. So you kick tires and you see how things play out ... usually right down to the wire.

[jbk1234]

Would you guys do a CPJ for Duop Reath swap?

I don't think his sample size this year is indicative of what he'd bring to the table as a back-up 5/4. I guess the question is if he's better than JT Thor and/or if its worth giving up PG depth

Yes, but I don't know if the Blazers would.

[ijspeelman]

Would you guys do a CPJ for Duop Reath swap?

I don't think his sample size this year is indicative of what he'd bring to the table as a back-up 5/4. I guess the question is if he's better than JT Thor and/or if its worth giving up PG depth

Yes, but I don't know if the Blazers would.

They have a pretty big logjam at the center position and he's at the very end of it. We may be able to throw in our own SRP this year (or Milwaukee's) and I feel like that has to be a done deal on the Blazers end. Get some value out of your 4th center who barely gets minutes.

I feel like even just CPJ on a rookie deal should do it. Gives them a super cheap young back-up PG for a few years to attempt to get more value out of. I'm iffy on it even just saying that portion, but I just don't foresee CPJ entering a regular playoff rotation for us during his current contract.

[ijspeelman]

The other question is if they should make their decision on LeVert or Jerome (assuming its impossible to re-sign both) before the deadline and ship one of those guys out + Niang for cap space to re-sign the other guy and some other piece while also getting below the first apron for a year.

Or are we good to sign Jerome to a 4yr/~56m using his Early Bird status and something similar for LeVert and just be fine with the early tax penalties?

[JonFromVA]

Would you guys do a CPJ for Duop Reath swap?

I don't think his sample size this year is indicative of what he'd bring to the table as a back-up 5/4. I guess the question is if he's better than JT Thor and/or if its worth giving up PG depth

Yes, but I don't know if the Blazers would.

They have a pretty big logjam at the center position and he's at the very end of it. We may be able to throw in our own SRP this year (or Milwaukee's) and I feel like that has to be a done deal on the Blazers end. Get some value out of your 4th center who barely gets minutes.

I feel like even just CPJ on a rookie deal should do it. Gives them a super cheap young back-up PG for a few years to attempt to get more value out of. I'm iffy on it even just saying that portion, but I just don't foresee CPJ entering a regular playoff rotation for us during his current contract.

I wouldn't move CPJ until I knew what was going to happen to Jerome and LeVert.