Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938265 what Boston trying to do probably & maybe Nets pick.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938273 what Cavs probably are wanting & a future.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938417 I would agree to this with their 2019 1st from philly or sacramento.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938436 I would agree to this if we have another deal lined up to unload Frye and Boston gives us their 2018 first from lakers.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938459 I would agree to this with Bostons own 2018 1st returning & 2019 first from clippers. They can have our 2021 lottery protected.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938468 I would agree to this only if we got the Nets pick and the Lakers pick next yr.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938546 This is the only trade I would consider without any lottery picks returning.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938626 best case scenario trade with no chance of happening where we unload 3 players we want to unload.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938644 The only way Boston gets KI without giving up any picks

[In2ition]

Cavs should demand Thomas, young potential superstar on rookie deal and draft picks. Isn't that what they've insisted it will take?

[Stillwater]

Cavs should demand Thomas, young potential superstar on rookie deal and draft picks. Isn't that what they've insisted it will take?

yep anything less than a rookie or rookie deal blue chipper like Tatum or Brown or to lesser extent Zizic is unaccepatable
If they do a deal for Crowder & IT and none of Tatum,Brown or Zizic the $ wouldn't work anyway so there has to be another player or 2 returning maybe several like Ojeleye,Rozier,Nader etc just to make numbers match. I don't see Cav's doing that without at minimum 2 likely high lottery picks. example 2018 first from Nets,and 2018 first from the Lakers. or swap Lakers for 2019 pick from Philly or Sacramento.

[In2ition]

Cavs should demand Thomas, young potential superstar on rookie deal and draft picks. Isn't that what they've insisted it will take?

yep anything less than a rookie or rookie deal blue chipper like Tatum or Brown or to lesser extent Zizic is unaccepatable
If they do a deal for Crowder & IT and none of Tatum,Brown or Zizic the $ wouldn't work anyway so there has to be another player or 2 returning maybe several like Ojeleye,Rozier,Nader etc just to make numbers match. I don't see Cav's doing that without at minimum 2 likely high lottery picks. example 2018 first from Nets,and 2018 first from the Lakers. or swap Lakers for 2019 pick from Philly or Sacramento.

Zizic? Really? Interesting... Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. I guess it's only the Nets pick from what I've seen.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6938815
so this is the apparent deal including the nets pick unprotected which should be high lottery.
At least we got Zizic who should help a lot, but was hoping they could weasel out Brown in the deal.
Getting that pick if we can flip it for another high caliber player this year is stellar, and if we keep it and it turns into best case Porter worst case Sexton. I'm in.

[Jingles2]

Here is a proposal from a Pistons fan. Not sure Pistons would do it (probably not), but I would.

Cavs get Drummond and Leuer
Pistons get Thompson, Frye, Shumpert, Felder and the right to swap the Brooklyn pick with the Pistons pick next year

The good for Cleveland is that they get down to 15 players under contract, they get an upgrade at center and backup power forward, and the Pistsons might not be much better than Brooklyn next year.

[Dupp]

Here is a proposal from a Pistons fan. Not sure Pistons would do it (probably not), but I would.

Cavs get Drummond and Leuer
Pistons get Thompson, Frye, Shumpert, Felder and the right to swap the Brooklyn pick with the Pistons pick next year

The good for Cleveland is that they get down to 15 players under contract, they get an upgrade at center and backup power forward, and the Pistsons might not be much better than Brooklyn next year.

Its not a bad deal at all because it'd make you guys pretty bad so we'd get a good pick in return. Drummond however, even though very talented, im not sure how much he helps against the warriors. Which is my main concern but others would have different views.

Id definitely consider it,

[gflem]

Here is a proposal from a Pistons fan. Not sure Pistons would do it (probably not), but I would.

Cavs get Drummond and Leuer
Pistons get Thompson, Frye, Shumpert, Felder and the right to swap the Brooklyn pick with the Pistons pick next year

The good for Cleveland is that they get down to 15 players under contract, they get an upgrade at center and backup power forward, and the Pistsons might not be much better than Brooklyn next year.

Its not a bad deal at all because it'd make you guys pretty bad so we'd get a good pick in return. Drummond however, even though very talented, im not sure how much he helps against the warriors. Which is my main concern but others would have different views.

Id definitely consider it,

Would Drummond just stay in the back court when the Cavs have the ball against the W's?

[jbk1234]

Here is a proposal from a Pistons fan. Not sure Pistons would do it (probably not), but I would.

Cavs get Drummond and Leuer
Pistons get Thompson, Frye, Shumpert, Felder and the right to swap the Brooklyn pick with the Pistons pick next year

The good for Cleveland is that they get down to 15 players under contract, they get an upgrade at center and backup power forward, and the Pistsons might not be much better than Brooklyn next year.

I'd pass. I like TT in the post season better than Drummond. We can definitely have a conversation about Bradley though.

[ProcessDoctor]

Revised deal with MEM:

BOS out: IT4, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, MEM 1st
BOS in: Kyrie

CLE out: Kyrie, Shump, Thompson, Smith, 2021 1st
CLE in: Conley, Gasol, Crowder, Zizic

MEM out: Conley, Gasol
MEM in: IT4, Thompson, Shump, Smith, BKN 1st, MEM 1st, CLE 1st

[jbk1234]

Revised deal with MEM:

BOS out: IT4, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, MEM 1st
BOS in: Kyrie

CLE out: Kyrie, Shump, Thompson, Smith, 2021 1st
CLE in: Conley, Gasol, Crowder, Zizic

MEM out: Conley, Gasol
MEM in: IT4, Thompson, Shump, Smith, BKN 1st, MEM 1st, CLE 1st

Not a chance. That's huge overpay for Gasol & Conley. TT & JR are good players who have started on a Finals team three years in a row.

[ProcessDoctor]

Revised deal with MEM:

BOS out: IT4, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, MEM 1st
BOS in: Kyrie

CLE out: Kyrie, Shump, Thompson, Smith, 2021 1st
CLE in: Conley, Gasol, Crowder, Zizic

MEM out: Conley, Gasol
MEM in: IT4, Thompson, Shump, Smith, BKN 1st, MEM 1st, CLE 1st

Not a chance. That's huge overpay for Gasol & Conley. TT & JR are good players who have started on a Finals team three years in a row.

Alright, swap out JR for Frye + Osman.

Conley/Rose/Calderon/Felder
Smith/Wade
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Jefferson
Gasol/Zizic/Tavares

Puts you guys on par with or better than GS IMO.

[jbk1234]

Revised deal with MEM:

BOS out: IT4, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, MEM 1st
BOS in: Kyrie

CLE out: Kyrie, Shump, Thompson, Smith, 2021 1st
CLE in: Conley, Gasol, Crowder, Zizic

MEM out: Conley, Gasol
MEM in: IT4, Thompson, Shump, Smith, BKN 1st, MEM 1st, CLE 1st

Not a chance. That's huge overpay for Gasol & Conley. TT & JR are good players who have started on a Finals team three years in a row.

Alright, swap out JR for Frye + Osman.

Conley/Rose/Calderon/Felder
Smith/Wade
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Jefferson
Gasol/Zizic/Tavares

Puts you guys on par with or better than GS IMO.

That's still a crazy overpay. Conley's good but he's on one of the most expensive contracts in the league. Gasol has been declining for years now. You have the Cavs sending out a first as well with Osman instead of other filler.

[ProcessDoctor]

Not a chance. That's huge overpay for Gasol & Conley. TT & JR are good players who have started on a Finals team three years in a row.

Alright, swap out JR for Frye + Osman.

Conley/Rose/Calderon/Felder
Smith/Wade
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Jefferson
Gasol/Zizic/Tavares

Puts you guys on par with or better than GS IMO.

That's still a crazy overpay. Conley's good but he's on one of the most expensive contracts in the league. Gasol has been declining for years now. You have the Cavs sending out a first as well with Osman instead of other filler.

I can't see MEM doing it otherwise. Conley's contract may be big, but at least he's locked up for several years and is only 29. Gasol also has 2+1 left on his deal...I think it would take this much for Memphis to part with their cornerstone pieces.

Think about it this way...if BOS were completely cut out, would Memphis trade Kyrie for Conley + Gasol? I doubt it...TT, Shump, and Frye would def need to be added.

Edit:

How about this then?

BOS out: IT4, Crowder, Zizic, BKN 1st, MEM 1st
BOS in: Kyrie

CLE out: Kyrie, Shump, Thompson, Frye, Felder
CLE in: Conley, Gasol, Crowder, Zizic

MEM out: Conley, Gasol
MEM in: IT4, Thompson, Shump, Frye, Felder, BKN 1st, MEM 1st

[jbk1234]

Alright, swap out JR for Frye + Osman.

Conley/Rose/Calderon/Felder
Smith/Wade
LeBron/Crowder/Korver
Love/Green/Jefferson
Gasol/Zizic/Tavares

Puts you guys on par with or better than GS IMO.

That's still a crazy overpay. Conley's good but he's on one of the most expensive contracts in the league. Gasol has been declining for years now. You have the Cavs sending out a first as well with Osman instead of other filler.

I can't see MEM doing it otherwise. Conley's contract may be big, but at least he's locked up for several years and is only 29. Gasol also has 2+1 left on his deal...I think it would take this much for Memphis to part with their cornerstone pieces.

Think about it this way...if BOS were completely cut out, would Memphis trade Kyrie for Conley + Gasol? I doubt it...TT, Shump, and Frye would def need to be added.

Why do I care what Memphis wants? That Cavs team has no guarantee to make it past the Warriors anyway. Again, Conley's value on that contract isn't that great. Gasol at this point in his career isn't all that. I'd rather do the Celtics trade with a broken down IT or just void the trade.

[ProcessDoctor]

That's still a crazy overpay. Conley's good but he's on one of the most expensive contracts in the league. Gasol has been declining for years now. You have the Cavs sending out a first as well with Osman instead of other filler.

I can't see MEM doing it otherwise. Conley's contract may be big, but at least he's locked up for several years and is only 29. Gasol also has 2+1 left on his deal...I think it would take this much for Memphis to part with their cornerstone pieces.

Think about it this way...if BOS were completely cut out, would Memphis trade Kyrie for Conley + Gasol? I doubt it...TT, Shump, and Frye would def need to be added.

Why do I care what Memphis wants? That Cavs team has no guarantee to make it past the Warriors anyway. Again, Conley's value on that contract isn't that great. Gasol at this point in his career isn't all that. I'd rather do the Celtics trade with a broken down IT or just void the trade.

Gasol and Conley were both top 20 in terms of VORP and top 25 in BPM just last season. BOTH ahead of Kyrie. Plus you'd still be getting Crowder and Zizic. That's a much bigger get than the original deal, especially if your goal is to keep LeBron around.

[jbk1234]

I can't see MEM doing it otherwise. Conley's contract may be big, but at least he's locked up for several years and is only 29. Gasol also has 2+1 left on his deal...I think it would take this much for Memphis to part with their cornerstone pieces.

Think about it this way...if BOS were completely cut out, would Memphis trade Kyrie for Conley + Gasol? I doubt it...TT, Shump, and Frye would def need to be added.

Why do I care what Memphis wants? That Cavs team has no guarantee to make it past the Warriors anyway. Again, Conley's value on that contract isn't that great. Gasol at this point in his career isn't all that. I'd rather do the Celtics trade with a broken down IT or just void the trade.

Gasol and Conley were both top 20 in terms of VORP and top 25 in BPM just last season. BOTH ahead of Kyrie. Plus you'd still be getting Crowder and Zizic. That's a much bigger get than the original deal, especially if your goal is to keep LeBron around.

I wouldn't add a pick.

[ProcessDoctor]

Why do I care what Memphis wants? That Cavs team has no guarantee to make it past the Warriors anyway. Again, Conley's value on that contract isn't that great. Gasol at this point in his career isn't all that. I'd rather do the Celtics trade with a broken down IT or just void the trade.

Gasol and Conley were both top 20 in terms of VORP and top 25 in BPM just last season. BOTH ahead of Kyrie. Plus you'd still be getting Crowder and Zizic. That's a much bigger get than the original deal, especially if your goal is to keep LeBron around.

I wouldn't add a pick.

Edited my last post with a new trade ^^^

[Stillwater]

Altman is almost certainly getting a lot of calls this week about KI from teams who are willing to up their anti to outbid Boston should boston not be willing to add Rozier ,picks whatever (provided IT4 can still be expected to lace them up at some point without surgery)
I think stalling here by the Cav's might be the real play. Field other offers take the best one and leave Boston in shambles.
But if it is true that IT4 is worse with potential lost season or majority thereof /meaning his timeline for recovery is too far out compared to originally thought by the Cavs at the beginning of these negotiations between the 2 orgs, and that is the only reason they have not finalized the deal, Boston has to pony up or else.
Boston really has no recourse if the trade is voided as IT4 has said or at least someone in his circle has that he has no interest in playing for Boston if he ends up back in Boston for any reason. So if he missed the entire season due to a voided trade it wouldn't shock me given he probably will as he probably should have already had surgery.
Boston has to add to this deal , agree to change up the deal completely , or get stuck in the same situation The Cavs are / were in with KI only IT4 has no trade value if injured so it's even worse.

[jbk1234]

Just going to leave this here:

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