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If we blow the MLE on Caruso, I'll be disappointed.LivingLegend wrote:Apparently the Cavs have their eye on Alex Caruso in free agency according to Cleveland.com.
Would prefer McConnell but hey, Caruso wouldbt be bad either as a rotational PG.
You can move Nance to the 3 and start Mobley.mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
mcfly1204 wrote:I mean, that's an option, but not something you want to see long term.
jbk1234 wrote:You can move Nance to the 3 and start Mobley.mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
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mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
Which is f'n terrible because this team hasnt had a legit starting SF on the roster not names LeBron James since Darius Miles in 2002.
All I want is a young, talented SF who is 6'8"-6"9" like every other team seems to have. Something like Taurean Prince if he was 19 years old and had the talent of a top 5 draft pick.
Which is why it kills me even more that Kuminga cant shoot. If he could shoot I would be all over that guy to be the #3 selection.
Its getting frustrating getting all of these top 5 picks in the draft and never being in position to draft a SF. Its just guards and bigs, guards and bigs, guards and bigs like Forwards dont even exist anymore. There has been a crater sized hole in the middle of the Cavs lineup ever since LBJ left to the point where people are trying to convince themselves Larry Nance is small enough to play SF and Isaac Okoro is big enough to play SF. Nance is a PF, Okoro is a SG.
Just draft, trade or sign a legitimate SF please. However that is possible.
Revenged25 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
Which is f'n terrible because this team hasnt had a legit starting SF on the roster not names LeBron James since Darius Miles in 2002.
All I want is a young, talented SF who is 6'8"-6"9" like every other team seems to have. Something like Taurean Prince if he was 19 years old and had the talent of a top 5 draft pick.
Which is why it kills me even more that Kuminga cant shoot. If he could shoot I would be all over that guy to be the #3 selection.
Its getting frustrating getting all of these top 5 picks in the draft and never being in position to draft a SF. Its just guards and bigs, guards and bigs, guards and bigs like Forwards dont even exist anymore. There has been a crater sized hole in the middle of the Cavs lineup ever since LBJ left to the point where people are trying to convince themselves Larry Nance is small enough to play SF and Isaac Okoro is big enough to play SF. Nance is a PF, Okoro is a SG.
Just draft, trade or sign a legitimate SF please. However that is possible.
If Kuminga could shoot there wouldn't be rumors of him slipping in the draft. Who knows maybe part of the Cavs decision in trading Sexton will depend on if Kuminga is available. Shooting will still suck but they might be looking at a Garland/Okoro/Kuminga/Mobley/Allen. Basically feels like an iteration of Orlando or Conley/Gasol style Grizzlies.
LivingLegend wrote:Revenged25 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
Which is f'n terrible because this team hasnt had a legit starting SF on the roster not names LeBron James since Darius Miles in 2002.
All I want is a young, talented SF who is 6'8"-6"9" like every other team seems to have. Something like Taurean Prince if he was 19 years old and had the talent of a top 5 draft pick.
Which is why it kills me even more that Kuminga cant shoot. If he could shoot I would be all over that guy to be the #3 selection.
Its getting frustrating getting all of these top 5 picks in the draft and never being in position to draft a SF. Its just guards and bigs, guards and bigs, guards and bigs like Forwards dont even exist anymore. There has been a crater sized hole in the middle of the Cavs lineup ever since LBJ left to the point where people are trying to convince themselves Larry Nance is small enough to play SF and Isaac Okoro is big enough to play SF. Nance is a PF, Okoro is a SG.
Just draft, trade or sign a legitimate SF please. However that is possible.
If Kuminga could shoot there wouldn't be rumors of him slipping in the draft. Who knows maybe part of the Cavs decision in trading Sexton will depend on if Kuminga is available. Shooting will still suck but they might be looking at a Garland/Okoro/Kuminga/Mobley/Allen. Basically feels like an iteration of Orlando or Conley/Gasol style Grizzlies.
I would be fine with that. Thats a whole lot of size/defense SG-C. Garland might have to average 35pts for them to break 100 as a team but at least the roster would be balances and the defense would be amazing lol
Okoro/Kuminga would be muscle bound beefcakes on the wings and Mobley/Allen would be giant Slim Jims in the paint. Love it lets make it happen.
Revenged25 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Revenged25 wrote:
If Kuminga could shoot there wouldn't be rumors of him slipping in the draft. Who knows maybe part of the Cavs decision in trading Sexton will depend on if Kuminga is available. Shooting will still suck but they might be looking at a Garland/Okoro/Kuminga/Mobley/Allen. Basically feels like an iteration of Orlando or Conley/Gasol style Grizzlies.
I would be fine with that. Thats a whole lot of size/defense SG-C. Garland might have to average 35pts for them to break 100 as a team but at least the roster would be balances and the defense would be amazing lol
Okoro/Kuminga would be muscle bound beefcakes on the wings and Mobley/Allen would be giant Slim Jims in the paint. Love it lets make it happen.
So you're saying the Cavs aren't averaging more than 85 then. Garland just isn't that player, I'll keep saying it. From what I've seen, Okoro is more likely to be the guy that makes a huge jump as he seems like he's got more of the confidence and decisiveness needed to become more of a go to scorer, if his offensive skills ever develop.
toooskies wrote:jbk1234 wrote:You can move Nance to the 3 and start Mobley.mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
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So Okoro to the bench, if Sexton isn't moved. (Def don't think Nance is a starting 3 unless it's to guard a bigger/taller 3 like Giannis/Lebron/KD.)
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My point from yesterday afternoon that I didn't exactly get to defend is this: yes, you bake in some degree of projection into your assets. You at some point have to build around the guys you're building around, and if you're not confident in them growing then you figure things out another way.
You may disagree on Allen and Sexton and Garland and Okoro projections-- every player on every contract is a projection-- but you're almost guaranteed to get better performances from guys in their prime than in the first two or three or four years of their career as long as they stay healthy. Even when it doesn't show up in traditional stats. The question is the ceiling of that growth. The best players routinely destroy their ceiling as a player.
You don't need to see every step of development to know there are more steps, and you know the character of guys to know if they'll try to climb those steps. So if you believe in them, you pay them to try to reach their potential instead of giving you the same thing.
Wisedude wrote:If Mobley is available at 3, then I would have a decision to make: select him or see if I can get 5 & 8 from Orlando (which is the only trade I really consider.) At 5, I would be able to have a choice of these 2 of 3 players still available (Suggs, Barnes & Kuminga most likely). I would rather have one of those players and Kai Jones at 8, then the 3 pick. Why? Cavs are very short on overall talent and imo, players at 5 & 8 have as much upside as the player at 3. I know there are people that would disagree with that.
I believe Altman and Staff have different scenarios set up to follow through on depending on who is taken at pick 2. It doesn't necessarily mean they trade pick 3 (but could) but also have other trades set up too. The Cavs can maximize pick 3 as the draft unfolds live when it is their turn at pick 3.....no need to trade before the draft.
JonFromVA wrote:Wisedude wrote:If Mobley is available at 3, then I would have a decision to make: select him or see if I can get 5 & 8 from Orlando (which is the only trade I really consider.) At 5, I would be able to have a choice of these 2 of 3 players still available (Suggs, Barnes & Kuminga most likely). I would rather have one of those players and Kai Jones at 8, then the 3 pick. Why? Cavs are very short on overall talent and imo, players at 5 & 8 have as much upside as the player at 3. I know there are people that would disagree with that.
I believe Altman and Staff have different scenarios set up to follow through on depending on who is taken at pick 2. It doesn't necessarily mean they trade pick 3 (but could) but also have other trades set up too. The Cavs can maximize pick 3 as the draft unfolds live when it is their turn at pick 3.....no need to trade before the draft.
At 3, we're guaranteed of getting Green, Mobley, or Cunningham and I just don't see us giving that up. Suggs may very well be in that same tier, but it's just unfathomable to imagine the Cavs drafting another PG when there are other options.
I don't see Sexton starting for the Cavs this season. They've seen enough of a Garland/Sexton backcourt defensively and they've picked their horse. I'll leave it to others to debate what should, or should not happen, but I'm pretty sure Sexton is coming off the bench if he's still here on opening night.toooskies wrote:jbk1234 wrote:You can move Nance to the 3 and start Mobley.mcfly1204 wrote:Unless we trade back up into the lottery, it seems unlikely that we will be drafting a starting caliber SF. With that in mind, any thoughts on how we can upgrade the position this summer? Wiggins is one name that has been thrown around, but given his salary, it does not seem like the direction we would want to go in if Love's contract is still on the books.
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So Okoro to the bench, if Sexton isn't moved. (Def don't think Nance is a starting 3 unless it's to guard a bigger/taller 3 like Giannis/Lebron/KD.)
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My point from yesterday afternoon that I didn't exactly get to defend is this: yes, you bake in some degree of projection into your assets. You at some point have to build around the guys you're building around, and if you're not confident in them growing then you figure things out another way.
You may disagree on Allen and Sexton and Garland and Okoro projections-- every player on every contract is a projection-- but you're almost guaranteed to get better performances from guys in their prime than in the first two or three or four years of their career as long as they stay healthy. Even when it doesn't show up in traditional stats. The question is the ceiling of that growth. The best players routinely destroy their ceiling as a player.
You don't need to see every step of development to know there are more steps, and you know the character of guys to know if they'll try to climb those steps. So if you believe in them, you pay them to try to reach their potential instead of giving you the same thing.
Yeah, Fedor made it sound like they realize they already have guys on the roster who they could draft in the 5-8 range, what they don't have is a guy who they can get in the 1-3 range. It's Fedor, but it tracked.JonFromVA wrote:Wisedude wrote:If Mobley is available at 3, then I would have a decision to make: select him or see if I can get 5 & 8 from Orlando (which is the only trade I really consider.) At 5, I would be able to have a choice of these 2 of 3 players still available (Suggs, Barnes & Kuminga most likely). I would rather have one of those players and Kai Jones at 8, then the 3 pick. Why? Cavs are very short on overall talent and imo, players at 5 & 8 have as much upside as the player at 3. I know there are people that would disagree with that.
I believe Altman and Staff have different scenarios set up to follow through on depending on who is taken at pick 2. It doesn't necessarily mean they trade pick 3 (but could) but also have other trades set up too. The Cavs can maximize pick 3 as the draft unfolds live when it is their turn at pick 3.....no need to trade before the draft.
At 3, we're guaranteed of getting Green, Mobley, or Cunningham and I just don't see us giving that up. Suggs may very well be in that same tier, but it's just unfathomable to imagine the Cavs drafting another PG when there are other options.
jbk1234 wrote:I don't see Sexton starting for the Cavs this season. They've seen enough of a Garland/Sexton backcourt defensively and they've picked their horse. I'll leave it to others to debate what should, or should not happen, but I'm pretty sure Sexton is coming off the bench if he's still here on opening night.toooskies wrote:jbk1234 wrote:You can move Nance to the 3 and start Mobley.
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So Okoro to the bench, if Sexton isn't moved. (Def don't think Nance is a starting 3 unless it's to guard a bigger/taller 3 like Giannis/Lebron/KD.)
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My point from yesterday afternoon that I didn't exactly get to defend is this: yes, you bake in some degree of projection into your assets. You at some point have to build around the guys you're building around, and if you're not confident in them growing then you figure things out another way.
You may disagree on Allen and Sexton and Garland and Okoro projections-- every player on every contract is a projection-- but you're almost guaranteed to get better performances from guys in their prime than in the first two or three or four years of their career as long as they stay healthy. Even when it doesn't show up in traditional stats. The question is the ceiling of that growth. The best players routinely destroy their ceiling as a player.
You don't need to see every step of development to know there are more steps, and you know the character of guys to know if they'll try to climb those steps. So if you believe in them, you pay them to try to reach their potential instead of giving you the same thing.
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