Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

I hate a roster of the below. For a Cavs team that has had awful injury luck 4 seasons in a row.

Mitchell/CPJ/pick #58
Strus/Okoro
Hunter/Tyson
Giannis/Wade/Okeke
Allen/pick #49

That to me is just screaming all in with no depth, gutted in 2 years, tops.

If we trade Mobley + Garland for only Giannis we will be far enough under the apron to retain at least Merrill (or use the TMLE on, say, Yabusele or Capela or Lopez or Tyus Jones). We may instead end up taking back Connaughton or Portis.

Your point mostly stands if CPJ and Tyson don’t improve much, but they’ve both flashed. Maybe one or two of Tomlin/Bates/Travers pop too. Who’d have thought Jerome and Merrill would be solid rotation players two years ago?

Doc was constantly yanking Lopez off the floor against the Pacers. He's cooked. Same with Capela. Those guys are backups at best now.

[JonFromVA]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

He tried to play with Lillard ...

But in general I'm not fond of decreasing our floor spacing, especially when Evan is just starting to weaponize his jumper and presumably Giannis would prefer a roster that makes sense around him too (not a work in progress) and I presume he wouldn't want to go to a team that expected him to play C.

So, yeah, I think even a straight up Evan for Giannis swap is problematic, but at least at that point it might be worth trying to figure out.

[JujitsuFlip]

Altman would be an idiot to say anything different until a deal that moved the needle in what he felt was the right direction fell in to his lap.

People seem to think we'd have to offer up Mobley and Garland for Giannis just to get in to the sweepstakes and I'm just not sure how that makes sense.

Horst will definitely start off insisting on Mobley. Whether that position is sustainable as the summer wears on remains to be seen. The Rockets reportedly refuse to include Amen Thompson (which seems a little crazy to me). There's the where does Giannis want to end up factor that will inform trade partners in terms of what they're willing to offer. He'll only be under contract for two more seasons before his P.O.

From the Cavs perspective, he's a far better fit with Mobley at the 5 than Allen. Giannis needs spacing. He's also never played with someone quite as ball dominant as Mitchell in the playoffs so there's a risk there. I don't think Horst wants to trade him to an Eastern Conference competitor though. If there are similarly valued packages, I think the Bucks ship him West.

He tried to play with Lillard ...

But in general I'm not fond of decreasing our floor spacing, especially when Evan is just starting to weaponize his jumper and presumably Giannis would prefer a roster that makes sense around him too (not a work in progress) and I presume he wouldn't want to go to a team that expected him to play C.

So, yeah, I think even a straight up Evan for Giannis swap is problematic, but at least at that point it might be worth trying to figure out.

We'd have to salary dump one of Allen, Garland, Hunter, or Mitchell to make it a legal 2nd apron trade, since Giannis makes more than Mobley.

[JujitsuFlip]

It depends on what the team's priorities are. I think Giannis would give us the best chance at a title the next two years. But the other sacrifices we'd need to make to even execute the deal (trading Garland or losing multiple guys to get under the 2nd apron) might not even make us better now.

I hate a roster of the below. For a Cavs team that has had awful injury luck 4 seasons in a row.

Mitchell/CPJ/pick #58
Strus/Okoro
Hunter/Tyson
Giannis/Wade/Okeke
Allen/pick #49

That to me is just screaming all in with no depth, gutted in 2 years, tops.

If we trade Mobley + Garland for only Giannis we will be far enough under the apron to retain at least Merrill (or use the TMLE on, say, Yabusele or Capela or Lopez or Tyus Jones). We may instead end up taking back Connaughton or Portis.

Your point mostly stands if CPJ and Tyson don’t improve much, but they’ve both flashed. Maybe one or two of Tomlin/Bates/Travers pop too. Who’d have thought Jerome and Merrill would be solid rotation players two years ago?

Pat and Portis both have player options, not sure they pick them up.

Retaining Merrill is about timing, he could be agreed with a new team by day 1 of the moratorium.

Bates and Travers are not NBA players, not sure they are apart of the organization by July. Tomlin is yet another project, best served staying on that 2nd year of his 2way deal.

CPJ is so tiny, not sure he can be the only true PG on the roster, seems very risky.

Idk what vets would ring chase or not, hard to tell.

Lastly and most of all, 31 year old Giannis has been eliminated in the first round, 3 years in a row. 2 times bc he was injured. For a Cavs team that has been hit by the injury bug 4 seasons in a row, not a risk i am willing to take on a 23 year old DPOY plus our only tradeable 1st rounder for 7 years.

[jbk1234]

Has Diop improved at all in the Spanish league? I agree that Bates and Travers should never see the floor in the playoffs.

[toooskies]

I hate a roster of the below. For a Cavs team that has had awful injury luck 4 seasons in a row.

Mitchell/CPJ/pick #58
Strus/Okoro
Hunter/Tyson
Giannis/Wade/Okeke
Allen/pick #49

That to me is just screaming all in with no depth, gutted in 2 years, tops.

If we trade Mobley + Garland for only Giannis we will be far enough under the apron to retain at least Merrill (or use the TMLE on, say, Yabusele or Capela or Lopez or Tyus Jones). We may instead end up taking back Connaughton or Portis.

Your point mostly stands if CPJ and Tyson don’t improve much, but they’ve both flashed. Maybe one or two of Tomlin/Bates/Travers pop too. Who’d have thought Jerome and Merrill would be solid rotation players two years ago?

Doc was constantly yanking Lopez off the floor against the Pacers. He's cooked. Same with Capela. Those guys are backups at best now.

In this situation they'd literally be backups. I'd probably lean Yabusele as a first choice because he should be able to play next to Giannis or Allen.

[jbk1234]

If we trade Mobley + Garland for only Giannis we will be far enough under the apron to retain at least Merrill (or use the TMLE on, say, Yabusele or Capela or Lopez or Tyus Jones). We may instead end up taking back Connaughton or Portis.

Your point mostly stands if CPJ and Tyson don’t improve much, but they’ve both flashed. Maybe one or two of Tomlin/Bates/Travers pop too. Who’d have thought Jerome and Merrill would be solid rotation players two years ago?

Doc was constantly yanking Lopez off the floor against the Pacers. He's cooked. Same with Capela. Those guys are backups at best now.

In this situation they'd literally be backups. I'd probably lean Yabusele as a first choice because he should be able to play next to Giannis or Allen.

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

[toooskies]

Doc was constantly yanking Lopez off the floor against the Pacers. He's cooked. Same with Capela. Those guys are backups at best now.

In this situation they'd literally be backups. I'd probably lean Yabusele as a first choice because he should be able to play next to Giannis or Allen.

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

[jbk1234]

In this situation they'd literally be backups. I'd probably lean Yabusele as a first choice because he should be able to play next to Giannis or Allen.

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

[JonFromVA]

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

Sure, that's not in doubt.

Giannis is not that kind of franchise player, but he did average an efficient 33/15.4/6.6 .vs. the Pacers and it's doubtful Evan comes anywhere close to that level of production in his career.

Alas, we'd still have problems if the rest of our roster plays like they did .vs the Pacers.

[toooskies]

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

I'll agree to that, but Mitchell is also better than Kyrie and any player Giannis has played with.

On the injury front, it's actually better to concentrate risk. One player is more likely to stay healthy than two.

[jbk1234]

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

I'll agree to that, but Mitchell is also better than Kyrie and any player Giannis has played with.

On the injury front, it's actually better to concentrate risk. One player is more likely to stay healthy than two.

By concentrated, I mean if one of Giannis or Mitchell gets injured, that's it. There's no next man up, get to the next series, and hope to get a player back.

[JonFromVA]

In this situation they'd literally be backups. I'd probably lean Yabusele as a first choice because he should be able to play next to Giannis or Allen.

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

People concerned with Mobley's touches want to see him getting the ball in areas where he can score/create.

And to that point, while his touches are high, pretty much everything else about his touches are nowhere near as high indicating that yes, he's touching the ball, but he's not doing that much dribbling, shooting, posting, etc, when he does.

Simply check the other columns:

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/touches?Height=GT%206-7&PORound=2&dir=D&sort=TOUCHES

[toooskies]

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

I'll agree to that, but Mitchell is also better than Kyrie and any player Giannis has played with.

On the injury front, it's actually better to concentrate risk. One player is more likely to stay healthy than two.

By concentrated, I mean if one of Giannis or Mitchell gets injured, that's it. There's no next man up, get to the next series, and hope to get a player back.

Well, I'd argue we are in that same situation except we might not have enough even if we were fully healthy.

[JujitsuFlip]

I wouldn't do it. The downside risk is immense. For as good as Giannis can be, there's almost zero evidence that he can carry a team in the playoffs. He needed peak Jrue, a healthy Middleton, and a younger Brook to get to the Finals, and that only happened once. He has his own injury history.

I think Mobley has some more growth, especially when it comes to making himself a target in read and react sets. As much as his one-on-one game improved this season, he can do plenty more off the ball to get himself easier looks.

Giannis has an injury history but at this point everyone does. Giannis has a history of having bad coaching and a more recent history of having mediocre teammates.

The narrative with Mobley is that his guards needed to get him the ball more in the playoffs. The secret is that he had 58 touches per game, only 10 less than Mitchell and the 2nd most of any player 6'10" or taller in the 2nd round of the playoffs, behind Jokic. (In the 1st round Giannis, Paolo, Franz, Sengun also had more than 58).

My willingness to trade Mobley might stem from the fact that he might be a little overrated at this point by our team success (which Mobley's improvement contributed to but isn't as important as, say, Ty Jerome's improvement). I'm not sure Mobley's legitimately a DPOY/all-NBA guy (yet) but would be glad to have him valued as such if we can upgrade.

But the fact that our team success might've driven the numbers also makes me worry about how much depth we may have to sacrifice for the trade to actually work.

I guess my point is that Giannis is not LBJ. He's not even Jokic. He's not going to take an inferior team and will them to win. He needs his key teammates to be healthy too. He needs players who are better than mediocre to start next to him. So the variables that we're attempting to eliminate are still there, but the risk is more concentrated, and the outcome is uncertain.

Not only that, it unnecessarily advances the timeline.

[jbk1234]

I'll agree to that, but Mitchell is also better than Kyrie and any player Giannis has played with.

On the injury front, it's actually better to concentrate risk. One player is more likely to stay healthy than two.

By concentrated, I mean if one of Giannis or Mitchell gets injured, that's it. There's no next man up, get to the next series, and hope to get a player back.

Well, I'd argue we are in that same situation except we might not have enough even if we were fully healthy.

We easily handled the Heat without Garland.I think we win Game 2 if any of Garland, Mobley, or Hunter are healthy

Garland's ability to stay healthy, coupled with Ty Jerome play against the Pacers, are legitimate reasons for concern. I'm not sure they're alleviated by a Giannis trade.

[toooskies]

Not serious about any the below but kicking around some hypotheticals:

Garland for Malik Monk, Keegan Murray+: Sacramento bites on the bigger name, the Cavs get a replacement PG who won't steal the show too much and a starting-quality versatile big wing for the rotation. Also saves some 2nd apron money. Ask for an Okoro for Keon Ellis swap to save more cash?

Mitchell for #1 and whatever salary Dallas wants to come up with (either Kyrie, or some combo of Gafford/Klay/Washington/Martin). Might work better after Flagg is signed so his salary counts in Dallas's outgoing? Cavs reset onto a Garland/Mobley/Flagg timeline, Dallas adds a top 5 MVP candidate. Assuming Dallas would pay with a collection of guys, 1-2 of them can be routed elsewhere to get the Cavs under the 2nd apron, or we bite the bullet in the short term and let guys expire.

[JonFromVA]

By concentrated, I mean if one of Giannis or Mitchell gets injured, that's it. There's no next man up, get to the next series, and hope to get a player back.

Well, I'd argue we are in that same situation except we might not have enough even if we were fully healthy.

We easily handled the Heat without Garland.I think we win Game 2 if any of Garland, Mobley, or Hunter are healthy

Garland's ability to stay healthy, coupled with Ty Jerome play against the Pacers, are legitimate reasons for concern. I'm not sure they're alleviated by a Giannis trade.

To be fair, it was Ty Jerome's very first playoff experience and perhaps the first time an opposing coach and team prepared to defend him.

If he played like he often did in the regular season, yeah, we could have survived Garland's injury, but in retrospect it was a big ask.

Ty still shot 38.9% from 3pt overall or barely ahead of Max, and consider how Max has shot lights out in some playoff series and stunk up others, we should probably expect the same from Ty. These are the kind of players who are at their best when the defense is ignoring or underestimating them and focusing instead on the other threats on the floor.

If GM's sees this as the reality, we should be able to keep Ty and save millions. Still it just takes one who suspects Ty could be the next Brunson.

[jbk1234]

Not serious about any the below but kicking around some hypotheticals:

Garland for Malik Monk, Keegan Murray+: Sacramento bites on the bigger name, the Cavs get a replacement PG who won't steal the show too much and a starting-quality versatile big wing for the rotation. Also saves some 2nd apron money. Ask for an Okoro for Keon Ellis swap to save more cash?

Mitchell for #1 and whatever salary Dallas wants to come up with (either Kyrie, or some combo of Gafford/Klay/Washington/Martin). Might work better after Flagg is signed so his salary counts in Dallas's outgoing? Cavs reset onto a Garland/Mobley/Flagg timeline, Dallas adds a top 5 MVP candidate. Assuming Dallas would pay with a collection of guys, 1-2 of them can be routed elsewhere to get the Cavs under the 2nd apron, or we bite the bullet in the short term and let guys expire.

I don't have Monk as a PG or a starter on a playoff team. The Kings trade Murray if they don't want to pay him, or be forced to pay as a RFA. Not sure it's a good idea for the Cavs to inherit that choice.

If you move Garland, I think you need a real triple threat at SF. You're basically playing without a true PG which means you need three guys who can shoot, pass, and drive from 3 different areas of the court. That SF needs to be able to bring the ball up the court against ball pressure as well.

I'd reluctantly pull the trigger on No. 2. Mitchell saying all the right things about Cleveland would make it tough though.

[JujitsuFlip]

Not serious about any the below but kicking around some hypotheticals:

Garland for Malik Monk, Keegan Murray+: Sacramento bites on the bigger name, the Cavs get a replacement PG who won't steal the show too much and a starting-quality versatile big wing for the rotation. Also saves some 2nd apron money. Ask for an Okoro for Keon Ellis swap to save more cash?

Mitchell for #1 and whatever salary Dallas wants to come up with (either Kyrie, or some combo of Gafford/Klay/Washington/Martin). Might work better after Flagg is signed so his salary counts in Dallas's outgoing? Cavs reset onto a Garland/Mobley/Flagg timeline, Dallas adds a top 5 MVP candidate. Assuming Dallas would pay with a collection of guys, 1-2 of them can be routed elsewhere to get the Cavs under the 2nd apron, or we bite the bullet in the short term and let guys expire.

On the 1st one, Monk is not a PG. He may be small in stature but for sure not a point.

On the 2nd one, Flagg and Mobley play the same position, so not sure I see the fit there. If it is just Kyrie back, that sucks because he has a torn ACL, after the Rubio stuff, i am good on that, even as a salary filler.