Trade Ideas

[jbk1234]

I am in the camp who does not like the thought of moving Garland, but if we feel our best shot at winning in the Playoffs is to move on, do we revisit some sort of Garland/Suggs swap? Both have their own injury concerns, both have flaws in their game, but both also look like they could help fix problems for the other team, without creating significant holes in the process.

Suggs is out indefinitely with an MCL injury.

[JonFromVA]

I am in the camp who does not like the thought of moving Garland, but if we feel our best shot at winning in the Playoffs is to move on, do we revisit some sort of Garland/Suggs swap? Both have their own injury concerns, both have flaws in their game, but both also look like they could help fix problems for the other team, without creating significant holes in the process.

Suggs is out indefinitely with an MCL injury.

Ouch... the thought he might just be more injury prone than Garland is problem #1, the second issue is we really need an effective play maker and someone else who can score besides Don. Evan hasn't advanced fast enough to fill that role.

I'd be far more open to a Garland for Franz Wagner swap if for some reason the Magic were willing to do that.

[mcfly1204]

I am in the camp who does not like the thought of moving Garland, but if we feel our best shot at winning in the Playoffs is to move on, do we revisit some sort of Garland/Suggs swap? Both have their own injury concerns, both have flaws in their game, but both also look like they could help fix problems for the other team, without creating significant holes in the process.

Suggs is out indefinitely with an MCL injury.

Ouch... the thought he might just be more injury prone than Garland is problem #1, the second issue is we really need an effective play maker and someone else who can score besides Don. Evan hasn't advanced fast enough to fill that role.

I'd be far more open to a Garland for Franz Wagner swap if for some reason the Magic were willing to do that.

I can hear "not a fat chance in Hell..." from the Orlando fans already. For the sake of saying it, you're looking at days, possibly a week, for a grade 1 MCL contusion.

[jbk1234]

Suggs is out indefinitely with an MCL injury.

Ouch... the thought he might just be more injury prone than Garland is problem #1, the second issue is we really need an effective play maker and someone else who can score besides Don. Evan hasn't advanced fast enough to fill that role.

I'd be far more open to a Garland for Franz Wagner swap if for some reason the Magic were willing to do that.

I can hear "not a fat chance in Hell..." from the Orlando fans already. For the sake of saying it, you're looking at days, possibly a week, for a grade 1 MCL contusion.

This really comes down to whether you think Mobley is going to develop into a legitimate second option on a contender (I'm skeptical). Mitchell alone doesn't provide enough offense to contend against the best teams in the league. Frankly, Garland is better against drop-coverage schemes than Mitchell.

I wouldn't say that the core four are the perfect fit, but there's far more synergy there than is apparent at first blush. As the first half of this season demonstrated when we started yanking these guys out. Mobley looked worse, not better without Allen next to him on both sides of the ball. Our offense was clunky without Garland and the second unit was awful.

They're all under contract for years to come. I'm sitting tight unless the Clippers are interested in a Zubac for Allen trade.

Personally, as far as Suggs, I'm a hard pass. It's not just that he gets injured more than Garland, it's that I think the way he plays defense contributes to how often he's injured. There's a reason a guy like Westbrook voluntarily surrenders on screens in the regular season.

[JujitsuFlip]

De'Andre Hunter wants out of Cleveland, according to NBA reporter Matt Moore.

The other rumor is the Lakers want him.

So, I'd be asking for Vanderbilt but dang that guys health stinks. Year 3 on that deal stinks as well. But when healthy, he plays that POA defender we sorely miss.

From there it's either Maxi or Gabe for salary matching. If you hate CPJ, Gabe is probably who ya want. If ya don't care and hope to dump LNJ in a seperate transaction, maybe you lean Maxi.

[toooskies]

Hunter smoke is starting to burn. Klutch wanting him moved, Cavs turning down offers, fit not fitting. Who's your target?

Heard Rui, or other Lakers disposables. Might consider Vucevic or Nurkic. Kuminga would be an interesting test drive (or pathway to expiring salary and avoiding the 2nd apron next year).

I think we need a bench scorer but not sure who I like in that fit if Hunter's going out, but I think they need to be slightly more on-ball. I don't miss Caris LeVert personally but I think we could use his fit if Detroit is already tired of him.

[jbk1234]

Well, things are coming to head. Hunter hasn't played well, but the situation wasn't handled all that well either. We traded two swaps for a player who was a 6MOY candidate playing backup 3, forced him to play backup 4, and then **** all over him at post-game pressers.

[JujitsuFlip]

Hunter smoke is starting to burn. Klutch wanting him moved, Cavs turning down offers, fit not fitting. Who's your target?

Heard Rui, or other Lakers disposables. Might consider Vucevic or Nurkic. Kuminga would be an interesting test drive (or pathway to expiring salary and avoiding the 2nd apron next year).

I think we need a bench scorer but not sure who I like in that fit if Hunter's going out, but I think they need to be slightly more on-ball. I don't miss Caris LeVert personally but I think we could use his fit if Detroit is already tired of him.

I saw it speculated that maybe he's disgruntled and playing poorly bc the Cavs refused to re-sign his best friend (Ty Jerome).

But if nothing else being demoted from starter to bench bruised his ego. Then last night being demoted from bench to unplayable (zero 4th quarter mins) is what for sure sent this rumor flying today.

[JujitsuFlip]

Koby has to come off his high horse and stop refusing any and all trades.

The trades that didn't work, he needs to move off of and try to get this team a bench again.

If he continues to refuse, he needs to be fired. The sooner, the better.

[jbk1234]

Hunter smoke is starting to burn. Klutch wanting him moved, Cavs turning down offers, fit not fitting. Who's your target?

Heard Rui, or other Lakers disposables. Might consider Vucevic or Nurkic. Kuminga would be an interesting test drive (or pathway to expiring salary and avoiding the 2nd apron next year).

I think we need a bench scorer but not sure who I like in that fit if Hunter's going out, but I think they need to be slightly more on-ball. I don't miss Caris LeVert personally but I think we could use his fit if Detroit is already tired of him.

I saw it speculated that maybe he's disgruntled and playing poorly bc the Cavs refused to re-sign his best friend (Ty Jerome).

But if nothing else being demoted from starter to bench bruised his ego. Then last night being demoted from bench to unplayable (zero 4th quarter mins) is what for sure sent this rumor flying today.

Based on the contemporanious reporting at the time, he was a good soldier about going back to the bench. He sat down with Kenny and agreed. Everyone understands that neither Mitchell nor Garland are POA defenders. That's not Hunter's jam either.

He's not a natural PF. He was asked to play the position and he did. He didn't play it well. If he had objections, they were never made public. The criticisms of him in that role were very public. No effort was made to size up the lineups and return him to SF.

I hope Gilbert enjoys the team of rivals environment he's fostered and the poison fruit it's starting to bear. We didn't announce that we traded for a bench big after the trade. We announced that we traded for a big wing that we didn't have for certain playoff matchups.

[JujitsuFlip]

Hunter smoke is starting to burn. Klutch wanting him moved, Cavs turning down offers, fit not fitting. Who's your target?

Heard Rui, or other Lakers disposables. Might consider Vucevic or Nurkic. Kuminga would be an interesting test drive (or pathway to expiring salary and avoiding the 2nd apron next year).

I think we need a bench scorer but not sure who I like in that fit if Hunter's going out, but I think they need to be slightly more on-ball. I don't miss Caris LeVert personally but I think we could use his fit if Detroit is already tired of him.

I saw it speculated that maybe he's disgruntled and playing poorly bc the Cavs refused to re-sign his best friend (Ty Jerome).

But if nothing else being demoted from starter to bench bruised his ego. Then last night being demoted from bench to unplayable (zero 4th quarter mins) is what for sure sent this rumor flying today.

Based on the contemporanious reporting at the time, he was a good soldier about going back to the bench. He sat down with Kenny and agreed. Everyone understands that neither Mitchell nor Garland are POA defenders. That's not Hunter's jam either.

He's not a natural PF. He was asked to play the position and he did. He didn't play it well. If he had objections, they were never made public. The criticisms of him in that role were very public. No effort was made to size up the lineups and return him to SF.

I hope Gilbert enjoys the team of rivals environment he's fostered and the poison fruit it's starting to bear. We didn't announce that we traded for a bench big after the trade. We announced that we traded for a big wing that we didn't have for certain playoff matchups.

Idk who you think there is to size up with.

The options are Thomas Bryant and that's it. There is no one else who can play 4, as Tomlin's most used 5 man unit already has Hunter at SF.

Now we are forced to take on Vanderbilt's dreaded 3rd season to chase that POA defender who can actually play 4 too.

You hate CPJ, so I'm sure you want Gabe Vincent as the throw-in but Maxi can at least maybe replace the soft Allen and try to stretch the floor.

It's a no win situation, really.

[jbk1234]

I saw it speculated that maybe he's disgruntled and playing poorly bc the Cavs refused to re-sign his best friend (Ty Jerome).

But if nothing else being demoted from starter to bench bruised his ego. Then last night being demoted from bench to unplayable (zero 4th quarter mins) is what for sure sent this rumor flying today.

Based on the contemporanious reporting at the time, he was a good soldier about going back to the bench. He sat down with Kenny and agreed. Everyone understands that neither Mitchell nor Garland are POA defenders. That's not Hunter's jam either.

He's not a natural PF. He was asked to play the position and he did. He didn't play it well. If he had objections, they were never made public. The criticisms of him in that role were very public. No effort was made to size up the lineups and return him to SF.

I hope Gilbert enjoys the team of rivals environment he's fostered and the poison fruit it's starting to bear. We didn't announce that we traded for a bench big after the trade. We announced that we traded for a big wing that we didn't have for certain playoff matchups.

Idk who you think there is to size up with.

The options are Thomas Bryant and that's it. There is no one else who can play 4, as Tomlin's most used 5 man unit already has Hunter at SF.

Now we are forced to take on Vanderbilt's dreaded 3rd season to chase that POA defender who can actually play 4 too.

You hate CPJ, so I'm sure you want Gabe Vincent as the throw-in but Maxi can at least maybe replace the soft Allen and try to stretch the floor.

It's a no win situation, really.

And last night would've been the perfect opportunity to insert Bryant into the Mobley bench unit.

How many minutes has Tomlin's *most used* lineup actually played?

[JujitsuFlip]

Based on the contemporanious reporting at the time, he was a good soldier about going back to the bench. He sat down with Kenny and agreed. Everyone understands that neither Mitchell nor Garland are POA defenders. That's not Hunter's jam either.

He's not a natural PF. He was asked to play the position and he did. He didn't play it well. If he had objections, they were never made public. The criticisms of him in that role were very public. No effort was made to size up the lineups and return him to SF.

I hope Gilbert enjoys the team of rivals environment he's fostered and the poison fruit it's starting to bear. We didn't announce that we traded for a bench big after the trade. We announced that we traded for a big wing that we didn't have for certain playoff matchups.

Idk who you think there is to size up with.

The options are Thomas Bryant and that's it. There is no one else who can play 4, as Tomlin's most used 5 man unit already has Hunter at SF.

Now we are forced to take on Vanderbilt's dreaded 3rd season to chase that POA defender who can actually play 4 too.

You hate CPJ, so I'm sure you want Gabe Vincent as the throw-in but Maxi can at least maybe replace the soft Allen and try to stretch the floor.

It's a no win situation, really.

And last night would've been the perfect opportunity to insert Bryant into the Mobley bench unit.

How many minutes has Tomlin's *most used* lineup actually played?

About as little as all his other units bc he's a two-way guy and the fact he was one of the 8 guys in the rotation last night (after Hunter got glued to the bench) should tell you all you need to know about the state of the roster.

[jbk1234]

Turns out Hunter may not be asking out. Moore didn't check to see who Hunter was repped by. Klutch does want to get Hunter to the Lakers, but that's likely so they can slide Miles Bridges into the salary slot.

On a number of levels, that would be a really, really bad idea.

[JujitsuFlip]

Turns out Hunter may not be asking out. Moore didn't check to see who Hunter was repped by. Klutch does want to get Hunter to the Lakers, but that's likely so they can slide Miles Bridges into the salary slot.

On a number of levels, that would be a really, really bad idea.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/lakers-reportedly-6-7-trade-205015748.html

That was reported almost 4 weeks ago that the Lakers fancy Hunter.

I think Moore's reporting is correct and his source told him to shut up so he issued the follow-up tweet. He may not have had all his ducks in a row but his explanation makes no sense, bc that would mean he totally fabricated Hunter asking out, which i don't buy for one second.

I guarantee after being turned into a cheerleader last night, Hunter or his reps requested out, the timing is spot on. The fact the reporter tried to walk it back, to me, just means he reported it way too soon, since the trade deadline isn't for 3 more weeks.

[JujitsuFlip]

Let me just point out, Miles Bridges makes $25 million, so a 3 team trade where he ends up on the Cavs and Hunter on the Lakers, 100% isn't possible under the current CBA.

Cavs can't aggregate contracts, even in 3 team deals.

[jbk1234]

Turns out Hunter may not be asking out. Moore didn't check to see who Hunter was repped by. Klutch does want to get Hunter to the Lakers, but that's likely so they can slide Miles Bridges into the salary slot.

On a number of levels, that would be a really, really bad idea.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/lakers-reportedly-6-7-trade-205015748.html

That was reported almost 4 weeks ago that the Lakers fancy Hunter.

I think Moore's reporting is correct and his source told him to shut up so he issued the follow-up tweet. He may not have had all his ducks in a row but his explanation makes no sense, bc that would mean he totally fabricated Hunter asking out, which i don't buy for one second.

I guarantee after being turned into a cheerleader last night, Hunter or his reps requested out, the timing is spot on. The fact the reporter tried to walk it back, to me, just means he reported it way too soon, since the trade deadline isn't for 3 more weeks.

He's not retracting Klutch wanting Hunter in Las Angeles. He is retracting Klutch actually representing Hunter.

[JujitsuFlip]

Turns out Hunter may not be asking out. Moore didn't check to see who Hunter was repped by. Klutch does want to get Hunter to the Lakers, but that's likely so they can slide Miles Bridges into the salary slot.

On a number of levels, that would be a really, really bad idea.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/lakers-reportedly-6-7-trade-205015748.html

That was reported almost 4 weeks ago that the Lakers fancy Hunter.

I think Moore's reporting is correct and his source told him to shut up so he issued the follow-up tweet. He may not have had all his ducks in a row but his explanation makes no sense, bc that would mean he totally fabricated Hunter asking out, which i don't buy for one second.

I guarantee after being turned into a cheerleader last night, Hunter or his reps requested out, the timing is spot on. The fact the reporter tried to walk it back, to me, just means he reported it way too soon, since the trade deadline isn't for 3 more weeks.

He's not retracting Klutch wanting Hunter in Las Angeles. He is retracting Klutch actually representing Hunter.

Well, as i pointed out, it wouldn't result in Bridges on the Cavs, it's an illegal trade.

So turns out Hunter did actually ask out.

[jbk1234]

Let me just point out, Miles Bridges makes $25 million, so a 3 team trade where he ends up on the Cavs and Hunter on the Lakers, 100% isn't possible under the current CBA.

Cavs can't aggregate contracts, even in 3 team deals.

Maybe it's Vanderbilt Klutch wants to get here. He's only played in 28 games this season and is pretty injury prone himself.

[JujitsuFlip]

Let me just point out, Miles Bridges makes $25 million, so a 3 team trade where he ends up on the Cavs and Hunter on the Lakers, 100% isn't possible under the current CBA.

Cavs can't aggregate contracts, even in 3 team deals.

Maybe it's Vanderbilt Klutch wants to get here. He's only played in 28 games this season and is pretty injury prone himself.

I'd rather have him over Rui.

But yeah his injury history sucks, 3rd year on his deal, as you have pointed out all season is probably a tough pill to swallow for Gilbert.

Maxi or Gabe as the salary filler to make the trade legal doesn't matter to me. I could talk myself into either.

If Kenny rarely uses Bryant, i doubt he has much use for Maxi. If Kenny is dead set on using CPJ, idk how Gabe is going to supplant him in the rotation.

One cool wrinkle to Gabe is him and Strus were the starting back court for the Heat in the 2023 Heat 8 seed run to the Finals but he is yet another small gaurd.

If it were Maxi, Nance needs to be traded or cut though, imo.