Trade Ideas

[Revenged25]

What superstar can we get without giving up any assets?

Just curious..

None. But what superstar is actually available for trade that the Cavs would be interested in? If the Cavs are trading for a superstar, a legit superstar, then that opens up the availability of a lot of players, but none of the players available are really worth the Cavs giving up any decent assets as they aren't going to change the Cavs likely outcome this season.

I don't see any combination of Sexton, Rubio, Love, Markannen, or our picks returning a super star, but I also don't see the point in blowing assets on questionable players. If there is a good deal to be had, sure, but I am not going out of my way to trade for chuckers like LeVert or Hield.

That's my thought as well. We can't get a superstar, unless the team is about to hit reset and likes Sexton/Okoro etc, and none of the other players currently available are really worth the assets that are being asked for them as they won't take the Cavs any further. Now I was one of those that felt like giving up a lotto protected 1st for Reddish would've been a great idea because it would've only cost a pick and they could've used him as a potential bargaining chip later on as well.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What are you doing with Sexton?

[Revenged25]

What are you doing with Sexton?

Who knows. I think they should extend him or use him in a S&T. Trading him on his current contract isn't enough to help match for a worthwhile player, not that there are any available.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I'd trade Smart for him if Cleveland were doing win now, roster balance, cap management.. but not a fan.

[toooskies]

What are you doing with Sexton?

Until the team brings in someone else who can dribble, the plan is to bring him back or S&T him for someone else who can dribble.

There's great reasons to keep him (25ppg on good efficiency, good character, hard worker) and great reasons not to (bad defense, low BBIQ, makes the players around him worse). It's a shame we got to see so little of him this year to see if he could improve on the latter, which there were at least signs of.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah, missing this season was a tough break, his value's suppressed by circumstance. I could see the Knicks liking him, obviously.

Sexton to NY, Osman/Toppin to BOS I think I'd do.. if we had a point guard replacement lined up. But that's a sell low on Sexton.

[toooskies]

Yeah, missing this season was a tough break, his value's suppressed by circumstance. I could see the Knicks liking him, obviously.

Sexton to NY, Osman/Toppin to BOS I think I'd do.. if we had a point guard replacement lined up. But that's a sell low on Sexton.

I could see some people wanting Smart, but he's going to get $21m in 25-26 and I'm not sure he isn't already on the downside of his career. If he hadn't gotten the extension I'd be much more interested, but he's declined as an outside shooter the past 3 years. I'd probably throw Rubio's expiring and the Cavs' 2022 1st in for him, and I know that doesn't work exactly for Smart so maybe the Cavs throw in Pangos (non-guaranteed next year) and a 2nd for Schroder.

I don't do this if I'm Boston, but some other team might want the expiring salary.

[JonFromVA]

Yeah, missing this season was a tough break, his value's suppressed by circumstance. I could see the Knicks liking him, obviously.

Sexton to NY, Osman/Toppin to BOS I think I'd do.. if we had a point guard replacement lined up. But that's a sell low on Sexton.

Sexton's suppressed market creates an opportunity for the Cavs to re-sign him at a price where he can be an asset even if his game for some reason doesn't continue to improve.

I don't see a need for Smart on the Cavs.

[jbk1234]

I'd trade Smart for him if Cleveland were doing win now, roster balance, cap management.. but not a fan.

The Cavs already have Okoro who makes a fraction of what Smart does, so I'm not really seeing us ascribing much value to him. We're solid defensively. Plus, I don't know that Smart's game, or contract are going to age well.

[JonFromVA]

What superstar can we get without giving up any assets?

Just curious..

None. But what superstar is actually available for trade that the Cavs would be interested in? If the Cavs are trading for a superstar, a legit superstar, then that opens up the availability of a lot of players, but none of the players available are really worth the Cavs giving up any decent assets as they aren't going to change the Cavs likely outcome this season.

I don't see any combination of Sexton, Rubio, Love, Markannen, or our picks returning a super star, but I also don't see the point in blowing assets on questionable players. If there is a good deal to be had, sure, but I am not going out of my way to trade for chuckers like LeVert or Hield.

Rubio's expiring is pretty valuable to a team looking to trim cap space and open up play time. Sellers are going to try to avoid looking desperate, but it's possible we end up with multiple deals on the table to consider as the deadline approaches UNLESS some other teams start showing interest in trading for the likes of LeVert, Hield, Gordon, etc. And like I've said, don't be surprised if Altman's actual move is far from obvious. He will try to pull off another Jarrett Allen type deal if he can, meaning grabbing a player who's salary needs to be moved to make another deal work, a player who's contract is up, a player who fits with our young core and still has room to grow.

A superstar? No.

But talent evaluation is about finding players who will fit the best and help in the long-term (or short-term if cheap enough).

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

[JonFromVA]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

And you'd like to pass them on to us ...

[Andrew McCeltic]

That's not how team chemistry works.

[jbk1234]

That's not how team chemistry works.

Smart's a bad fit here. Again, defense isn't an issue for the Cavs and that's what he offers. Find a team like the Kings, Mavs, Hawks, etc. that could actually use him, see what they'll offer, and circle back.

[JonFromVA]

That's not how team chemistry works.

True, chemistry problems are often amplified unless the player in question is sliding in to a situation that benefits from their strengths and can compensate for their weaknesses.

I'm thinking one former Celtic PG on the roster that specializes in bricking 3pters is probably enough.

[KuruptedCav]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

How many $15 million per year backups are positive contracts? For the Cavs, he’s overpaid today. In 4 years he’d still be backing up Garland, except his $21 million will be in context of Mobley getting a max, and Garland a couple years into his max, and Jarrett Allen’s $20 mil.

Sure, he might be the Cavs version of Andre Iguodala; but that assumes a level of growth as a player on the downside of his prime that hasn’t yet appeared. I don’t see it.

He might be okay value for a team that starts him and doesn’t need outside shooting in both the short and long-term because their star is a big. That’s not Cleveland.


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[JonFromVA]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

How many $15 million per year backups are positive contracts? For the Cavs, he’s overpaid today. In 4 years he’d still be backing up Garland, except his $21 million will be in context of Mobley getting a max, and Garland a couple years into his max, and Jarrett Allen’s $20 mil.

Sure, he might be the Cavs version of Andre Iguodala; but that assumes a level of growth as a player on the downside of his prime that hasn’t yet appeared. I don’t see it.

He might be okay value for a team that starts him and doesn’t need outside shooting in both the short and long-term because their star is a big. That’s not Cleveland.

Didn't really work out with Eric Snow and LeBron ... and everybody needs outside shooting these days.

[Andrew McCeltic]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

How many $15 million per year backups are positive contracts? For the Cavs, he’s overpaid today. In 4 years he’d still be backing up Garland, except his $21 million will be in context of Mobley getting a max, and Garland a couple years into his max, and Jarrett Allen’s $20 mil.

Sure, he might be the Cavs version of Andre Iguodala; but that assumes a level of growth as a player on the downside of his prime that hasn’t yet appeared. I don’t see it.

He might be okay value for a team that starts him and doesn’t need outside shooting in both the short and long-term because their star is a big. That’s not Cleveland.


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Having an all-defense combo guard off the bench is a luxury, not a liability. Doesn't seem like a team paying Lauri 15 million is especially considered about spending.. but you know you can trade a player before the end of their contract, right? That's what you're going to have to do with Sexton. Good thing Kevin Love is earning a quarter of his salary, at least.

[JonFromVA]

I don’t understand this “won’t age well” thing , for one lots of defensive players do, he’s not reliant on unusual quickness or verticality (31 year old Rob Williams I’d wonder about). He’ll be 31 in the last year of the deal and the money isn’t bad in four years - everyone in his tier is going to go up, the cap and tax go up - 21 million in his last year is going to have the relative value that 14 million does today. The only reason Boston could trade him is because we have offensive chemistry issues.

How many $15 million per year backups are positive contracts? For the Cavs, he’s overpaid today. In 4 years he’d still be backing up Garland, except his $21 million will be in context of Mobley getting a max, and Garland a couple years into his max, and Jarrett Allen’s $20 mil.

Sure, he might be the Cavs version of Andre Iguodala; but that assumes a level of growth as a player on the downside of his prime that hasn’t yet appeared. I don’t see it.

He might be okay value for a team that starts him and doesn’t need outside shooting in both the short and long-term because their star is a big. That’s not Cleveland.


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Having an all-defense combo guard off the bench is a luxury, not a liability. Doesn't seem like a team paying Lauri 15 million is especially considered about spending.. but you know you can trade a player before the end of their contract, right? That's what you're going to have to do with Sexton. Good thing Kevin Love is earning a quarter of his salary, at least.

Combo-guard's can usually shoot and score ...

[Andrew McCeltic]

Right, like beloved 6'1 combo guard Colin Sexton