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Trade Ideas - Part 2

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#281 » by rjgraca » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:31 am

Nirvana wrote:First off, rjgraca, dominate =/= dominant.

Secondly, Kevin Love is REALLY good. I mean, he's not perfect, but I don't know what world you are living in where you wouldn't be chomping at the bit to add him to our team. You don't get too many opportunities to add a guy like that. Even after a deal for Love, the Cavs would still have cap space available to add more talent.


You can't be serious about dominate when speaking about Kevin Love. The Wolves were a lottery team with or without him while he was putting up great stats in past seasons and not so great defense. So, getting an improved version of Carlos Boozer's stat stuffing with about the same level of loyality is a good reason to gut the Cavs? Kevin Love will most likely be playing for the Laker's when his contract expires and the Laker's get their cap space about then when Kobe leaves.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#282 » by Nirvana » Tue Dec 18, 2012 4:39 am

All I was saying was that your use of the word "dominate" instead of "dominant" was incorrect. A player is not dominate... he is dominant.

But, in regards to what you just said, I do feel Kevin Love has the ability to take over games with his play. Your argument that he is just a stat stuffer is pretty lame and I doubt you'll find many people who agree with you. A very select few big men have averaged 26 and 13 for a season. He's incredibly skilled and can score from anywhere on the floor. He's a great 3 pt shooter. He gets to the line at a very high rate. (The most FTA per game in a season for Boozer was 5.3, Love had 8.4 FTA last year. He's closer to 10 this year). He's clutch. He's a monster on the boards. On top of that, Love is a great fit in our system. He can pick and pop with Kyrie all day long. We'd have the best shooting star pairing in the league. His floor spacing would also give Kyrie room to drive.

Even if you want to compare him to a better Boozer or even Zach Randolph, you have to recognize that both of those players have been integral parts of teams that have won quite a lot of games. A team built around Kyrie and Kevin Love could be lethal and also finally make Cleveland a somewhat attractive playing situation for free agents. We could seriously pursue Dwight or Bynum and try to form the strongest front court in the league to add to our rising star at PG, or look towards guys like Tyreke Evans and Andre Iguodala to supplement the wing position.

If you are this against Love, what is your opinion of Varejao? Is Varejao just a stat stuffer to you? He's putting up monster numbers on a losing team, after all.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#283 » by rjgraca » Tue Dec 18, 2012 3:44 pm

Nirvana wrote:All I was saying was that your use of the word "dominate" instead of "dominant" was incorrect. A player is not dominate... he is dominant.

But, in regards to what you just said, I do feel Kevin Love has the ability to take over games with his play. Your argument that he is just a stat stuffer is pretty lame and I doubt you'll find many people who agree with you. A very select few big men have averaged 26 and 13 for a season. He's incredibly skilled and can score from anywhere on the floor. He's a great 3 pt shooter. He gets to the line at a very high rate. (The most FTA per game in a season for Boozer was 5.3, Love had 8.4 FTA last year. He's closer to 10 this year). He's clutch. He's a monster on the boards. On top of that, Love is a great fit in our system. He can pick and pop with Kyrie all day long. We'd have the best shooting star pairing in the league. His floor spacing would also give Kyrie room to drive.

Even if you want to compare him to a better Boozer or even Zach Randolph, you have to recognize that both of those players have been integral parts of teams that have won quite a lot of games. A team built around Kyrie and Kevin Love could be lethal and also finally make Cleveland a somewhat attractive playing situation for free agents. We could seriously pursue Dwight or Bynum and try to form the strongest front court in the league to add to our rising star at PG, or look towards guys like Tyreke Evans and Andre Iguodala to supplement the wing position.

If you are this against Love, what is your opinion of Varejao? Is Varejao just a stat stuffer to you? He's putting up monster numbers on a losing team, after all.


Oh, I misunderstood your grammer police quote where you were trying to claim some kind of stature.

I am against the steep price of what you are ascribing to Kevin Love's stats verses his production of helping getting his team into the playoffs. So, Kevin Love with his public comments sort of in the mold of Dwight Howard doesn't trouble you? What has Boozer or Zach Randolph's teams done in terms of championship quality with their massive stat collection? Optimism is good, but going against the history of free agency for the Cavs is kind of wishful thinking. IMO, the Cavs most likely path to being a title contender is through trades and the draft.

Varejao is not being mentioned as a superstar which trade proposals like yours imply for Kevin Love. Varejao is a good defender which Kevin Love isn't while they rebound about the same rate.


As for Love, he could do a little more to help his own cause. Setting aside that he has missed half of the early season due to injury, which is beyond his control, Love is leading the team in scoring at 19.9 points per game, but he’s shooting just 36 percent from the field, 20 percent from three and 67 percent from the foul line. One way the Timberwolves could improve right away would be for Love to get his game on track.

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#284 » by Harper4Ferry? » Thu Dec 20, 2012 3:10 am

As mentioned on the BS report-

Verejao for Perkins/Lamb/Raps #1

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#285 » by B Mac » Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:04 am

Thats the deal that keeps coming up. Im all over it.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#286 » by Harper4Ferry? » Thu Dec 20, 2012 7:14 pm

I'm all over it as well. Let Kyrie/Dion/Lamb/TT/Zeller start for the rest of the season and we'll see where we are at after the season. I'd keep Perk around for veteran leadership, but I also think that you could workout a buyout because he would have some value(albeit limited $$) on the FA market.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#287 » by Niko23 » Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:15 pm

I could actually see them packaging Perk to say the Lakers for Duhon and Blake. It would shave one year owed to Perk. But after the 2013 draft it is put or shut up time. We all bash the vets from last year - Jamison/Parker/Sessions but that team is a hell of a lot better than this one
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#288 » by fart » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:30 pm

Cleveland out: Anderson Varejao, Dion Waiters, 2013 LAL pick, 2014 Cleveland pick (top 5 protected)
Cleveland in: Cousins, Tyreke Evans

OKC out: Perkins, 2013 Toronto pick
OKC in: Varejao

Sac out: Tyreke Evans, Cousins
Sac in: Dion Waiters, Perkins, 2013 Toronto pick, 2013 LAL pick, 2014 Cleveland pick (top 5 protected)

Not sure if the salaries would match up, but some fillers could be thrown in to make the numbers work if necessary.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#289 » by Dupp » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:34 pm

Not sure why you need to include okc it just makes the deal worse for kings, either way i dont really like it much, reke and cousins dont really get me excited.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#290 » by B Mac » Sat Dec 22, 2012 10:59 pm

There is no way Sac gets that much for Cousins at this point. His value is at an all time low.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#291 » by Roger Murdock » Sun Dec 23, 2012 12:47 am

fart wrote:Cleveland out: Anderson Varejao, Dion Waiters, 2013 LAL pick, 2014 Cleveland pick (top 5 protected)
Cleveland in: Cousins, Tyreke Evans

OKC out: Perkins, 2013 Toronto pick
OKC in: Varejao

Sac out: Tyreke Evans, Cousins
Sac in: Dion Waiters, Perkins, 2013 Toronto pick, 2013 LAL pick, 2014 Cleveland pick (top 5 protected)

Not sure if the salaries would match up, but some fillers could be thrown in to make the numbers work if necessary.


I wouldn't do that deal if we kept Waiters and added protection to the pick.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#292 » by Harper4Ferry? » Sun Dec 23, 2012 4:08 am

what a fart trade.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#293 » by pickIBL » Sun Dec 23, 2012 5:25 pm

I like Evans but I don't think he's a great fit with Irving. Once again though I do think you buy low and sell high. You want your 2014 draft pick period. But right now is the perfect time for teams to talk to Sac about Cousins. In the grand scheme of things the guy's problems aren't that bad. When I think of things other NBA players have done Cousins doesn't scare me at all. His talent is unique enough... and contract reasonable enough that he is worth the risk. Start him out at 20 minutes a night and let him earn more time for good behavior on and off the court.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#294 » by IMHO » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:00 am

one thing I know is, this is a time to get another star, with a lot of disgruntled stars wanting out, this is our opportunity.

Clippers did similar to this getting CP3 last year, but we already have our CP3, we just need Blake Griffin.

Trade anything to get Kevin Love is what I'm saying (cept Kyrie, obviously)
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#295 » by LinkedList » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:11 pm

Hey guys,

Heat fan here (come in peace)! I know Kyrie Irving is your franchise player, but the guy on Gen. Board made a good point when he suggested he's more of a scoring guard than a true point. In this trade you get more of a true point guard (with a flattop :lol:), a superstar SG, and get rid of a guy you don't want (it seems) in Verajao. So, I have this offer to propose:

MIA Trades:
Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade

CLE Trades:
Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiter
Anderson Verajao
2013 1st
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#296 » by Kaner » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:02 pm

Wow...just...wow.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#297 » by jpsteven » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:06 pm

LinkedList wrote:Hey guys,

Heat fan here (come in peace)! I know Kyrie Irving is your franchise player, but the guy on Gen. Board made a good point when he suggested he's more of a scoring guard than a true point. In this trade you get more of a true point guard (with a flattop :lol:), a superstar SG, and get rid of a guy you don't want (it seems) in Verajao. So, I have this offer to propose:

MIA Trades:
Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade

CLE Trades:
Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiter
Anderson Verajao
2013 1st


Not to be mean but that is one of the absolute worst trades I have seen on here.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#298 » by Dupp » Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:24 pm

Good troll post imo.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#299 » by youngthegiant » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:29 pm

yes, no, maybe????

Denver trades: Javale Mcgee, Corey Brewer

Cleveland Trades: Tyler Zeller, Tristan Thompson, Omri Casspi
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#300 » by fart » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:45 pm

LinkedList wrote:Hey guys,

Heat fan here (come in peace)! I know Kyrie Irving is your franchise player, but the guy on Gen. Board made a good point when he suggested he's more of a scoring guard than a true point. In this trade you get more of a true point guard (with a flattop :lol:), a superstar SG, and get rid of a guy you don't want (it seems) in Verajao. So, I have this offer to propose:

MIA Trades:
Norris Cole
Dwyane Wade

CLE Trades:
Kyrie Irving
Dion Waiter
Anderson Verajao
2013 1st

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