2022-23 Regular Season

[toooskies]

The assumption that every player next offseason will do the team-friendly thing and take a paycut while they clear out space to sign a billionaire to every last dollar is unrealistic.

Most the roster is already accounted for.

Garland/Rubio
OA/Okoro
LBJ/Cedi/Stevens
Mobley/Markkanen
Allen/Brobley

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

[mg]

Was actually hoping the next era of Cavs playoff basketball would not include Lebron.

I have all the respect in the world for him after the '16 title but honestly ready for this team to finally move on. In some ways they've been hostage to Lebron since he got drafted in 2003. Actually the Lebron stuff began in 2002 when they gave away Andre Miller before that season in order to tank for Lebron.

[JonFromVA]

Was actually hoping the next era of Cavs playoff basketball would not include Lebron.

I have all the respect in the world for him after the '16 title but honestly ready for this team to finally move on. In some ways they've been hostage to Lebron since he got drafted in 2003. Actually the Lebron stuff began in 2002 when they gave away Andre Miller before that season in order to tank for Lebron.

If LeBron returns, my hope is that he's willing/ready to accept the wise old veteran role where he doesn't have to carry the team and the team doesn't need him to ... and there's simply no hostage situation.

But it's easy to be an optimist in the the off-season ...

The thing is, even if James hasn't given up hope on Jeannie and the Lakers; it would be very prudent of him to ask Rich to start paving the way for (another) return. Fact is, his last tour as a Cavalier ended very businesslike with the Cavs making some moves but not trading the Sexton pick and James playing out his contract with little drama.

If this all means we took a more NBA ready draft pick that can shoot and we won't sign Sexton for anything more than a fair market deal, that's hardly a disaster albeit there is a conflict of interest there if he ends up being the contract that has to get moved so LeBron can be signed.

[toooskies]

Was actually hoping the next era of Cavs playoff basketball would not include Lebron.

I have all the respect in the world for him after the '16 title but honestly ready for this team to finally move on. In some ways they've been hostage to Lebron since he got drafted in 2003. Actually the Lebron stuff began in 2002 when they gave away Andre Miller before that season in order to tank for Lebron.

I'm not saying we're going after LeBron, but every action we've taken over the past several years (leaving the SF spot wide open, engineering max cap space in the offseason he'll next be available as a free agent, building 3-and-D at the SG spot with Okoro/Agbaji, draft-and-stashes to fill out a cleared out roster next year) is at least consistent with a plan to bring back LeBron. It also works if we go after, say, Andrew Wiggins or something. But honestly it isn't a target-rich environment.

[JujitsuFlip]

The assumption that every player next offseason will do the team-friendly thing and take a paycut while they clear out space to sign a billionaire to every last dollar is unrealistic.

Most the roster is already accounted for.

Garland/Rubio
OA/Okoro
LBJ/Cedi/Stevens
Mobley/Markkanen
Allen/Brobley

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

That's par for the course in LeBron year 1, since the decision. 2010 Heat, 2014 Cavs, 2018 Lakers all had trash depth.

[gflem]

The assumption that every player next offseason will do the team-friendly thing and take a paycut while they clear out space to sign a billionaire to every last dollar is unrealistic.

Most the roster is already accounted for.

Garland/Rubio
OA/Okoro
LBJ/Cedi/Stevens
Mobley/Markkanen
Allen/Brobley

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

It's not as if vet players won't be lining up to sign for the minimum to ring chase if Lebron comes back.
Count me in with MG in that I really want to see this team grow organically into a contender. It may not happen, but I am so over Lebron and all the drama he creates/seems to crave. I appreciate the title he brought to the city and do respect that he has never been in off court situations that most normal people would have found themselves in (myself included) had they had the kind of $$ come to them that he did at such an early age, but I personally don't want to see old Lebron in a Cavs uniform.

[toooskies]

Most the roster is already accounted for.

Garland/Rubio
OA/Okoro
LBJ/Cedi/Stevens
Mobley/Markkanen
Allen/Brobley

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

It's not as if vet players won't be lining up to sign for the minimum to ring chase if Lebron comes back.
Count me in with MG in that I really want to see this team grow organically into a contender. It may not happen, but I am so over Lebron and all the drama he creates/seems to crave. I appreciate the title he brought to the city and do respect that he has never been in off court situations that most normal people would have found themselves in (myself included) had they had the kind of $$ come to them that he did at such an early age, but I personally don't want to see old Lebron in a Cavs uniform.

I totally understand that and the Cavs may just be acting frugally, but if the plan were to bring back LeBron, the Cavs have done exactly what they should have done to accommodate that.

[JonFromVA]

Most the roster is already accounted for.

Garland/Rubio
OA/Okoro
LBJ/Cedi/Stevens
Mobley/Markkanen
Allen/Brobley

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

It's not as if vet players won't be lining up to sign for the minimum to ring chase if Lebron comes back.
Count me in with MG in that I really want to see this team grow organically into a contender. It may not happen, but I am so over Lebron and all the drama he creates/seems to crave. I appreciate the title he brought to the city and do respect that he has never been in off court situations that most normal people would have found themselves in (myself included) had they had the kind of $$ come to them that he did at such an early age, but I personally don't want to see old Lebron in a Cavs uniform.

I would have 100% agreed a year ago, but I guess time softens the heart.

If LeBron did absolutely nothing to create drama, how much do you think would just spontaneously combust on it's own because the eyes of the media would once again be on Cleveland?

[KuruptedCav]

Cedi is probably a cap casualty. OA and Brobley haven't proven anything. That roster is 1-2 injuries away from using replacement-level players in the rotation.

It's not as if vet players won't be lining up to sign for the minimum to ring chase if Lebron comes back.
Count me in with MG in that I really want to see this team grow organically into a contender. It may not happen, but I am so over Lebron and all the drama he creates/seems to crave. I appreciate the title he brought to the city and do respect that he has never been in off court situations that most normal people would have found themselves in (myself included) had they had the kind of $$ come to them that he did at such an early age, but I personally don't want to see old Lebron in a Cavs uniform.

I would have 100% agreed a year ago, but I guess time softens the heart.

If LeBron did absolutely nothing to create drama, how much do you think would just spontaneously combust on it's own because the eyes of the media would once again be on Cleveland?

Depends. Is he trying to be Lebron or is he transitioned to James. I think James the role player cast like Duncan was alongside Leonard is fine. He could ride for 4-5 years in that sort of role while letting Garland and Mobley carry the team.

Also, Gilbert, unlike many owners, can pay for that luxury. Like his money is ridiculous level and liquid.


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[JonFromVA]

It's not as if vet players won't be lining up to sign for the minimum to ring chase if Lebron comes back.
Count me in with MG in that I really want to see this team grow organically into a contender. It may not happen, but I am so over Lebron and all the drama he creates/seems to crave. I appreciate the title he brought to the city and do respect that he has never been in off court situations that most normal people would have found themselves in (myself included) had they had the kind of $$ come to them that he did at such an early age, but I personally don't want to see old Lebron in a Cavs uniform.

I would have 100% agreed a year ago, but I guess time softens the heart.

If LeBron did absolutely nothing to create drama, how much do you think would just spontaneously combust on it's own because the eyes of the media would once again be on Cleveland?

Depends. Is he trying to be Lebron or is he transitioned to James. I think James the role player cast like Duncan was alongside Leonard is fine. He could ride for 4-5 years in that sort of role while letting Garland and Mobley carry the team.

Also, Gilbert, unlike many owners, can pay for that luxury. Like his money is ridiculous level and liquid.

My theoretical version of LeBron would be willing to see his minutes cut back so he'd have energy to play defense and he'd defer to DG/Ricky as the primary playmakers/ball-handlers. He'd actually show patience with the young players on the roster and let them learn and make mistakes rather than force the FO to dump/bench them for vets. He'd help them learn what it takes to win, without trying to do it all himself.

In return, I think our guys would re-energize him, extend his career, and make the last part of his career a lot of fun and the celebration of his career it should be - all before fans who actually care until he's ready to hang them up.

The last part of the puzzle would be working out what we/he would be willing to do regarding Bronny. He's not currently a top-prospect, so, in theory we'd be able to draft him or sign him with the Charge. It would be best to have some realistic expectations in place and perhaps we're setting the precedent with Isaiah Mobley this season. Obviously Evan hasn't demanded we use a first round pick on his brother or sign him to a full roster spot. Isaiah has the opportunity, but he'll need to earn that spot - and that's how it should be even for Bronny James.

[toooskies]

Just wanted to say that after looking at the roster, we have a really good non-rotation bench this year. I'm not going to feel bad when any of Neto, Osman, Wade, Stevens, or Lopez get time, and those are our 10th through 14th men. That puts us in pretty good position to either handle injuries and give guys rest days, or make a consolidation trade.

[JujitsuFlip]

I was just thinking, Brandon Goodwin kind of screwed himself with his statements at the end of the season, huh?

[jbk1234]

I was just thinking, Brandon Goodwin kind of screwed himself with his statements at the end of the season, huh?

I think his play before hand had more to do with it. Way too many G League PGs try to shoot there way onto an NBA team when really all you have to do is play decent defense and run the offense at replacement level.

[johnnyballgame]

Can we work into this Knicks - Jazz Donovan Mitchell trade by sending Sexton and a pick, maybe even more to get R.J. Barrett?

[JujitsuFlip]

Can we work into this Knicks - Jazz Donovan Mitchell trade by sending Sexton and a pick, maybe even more to get R.J. Barrett?

I think RJ is kinda untouchable for them.

[ChettheJet]

Just wanted to say that after looking at the roster, we have a really good non-rotation bench this year. I'm not going to feel bad when any of Neto, Osman, Wade, Stevens, or Lopez get time, and those are our 10th through 14th men. That puts us in pretty good position to either handle injuries and give guys rest days, or make a consolidation trade.

Looking at your depth chart over on the T&T board I wonder if there isn't a potential deal with the Bulls. With Rubio out for at least the beginning of the year

What about Windler and Wade to CHI for Coby White and not because it's a WWW for both sides. White becomes a RFA after this year, he did start at PG in his 2nd year, was a streaky shooting backup guard last year, did show some improvement on defense and generally proved to be a combo guard. He could join Neto to fill in the minutes behind Garland until Rubio returns, then at the trade deadline he could move or just hang around as insurance.

The Bulls could use Wade as a stretch (and tall) 4 off the bench and Windler as a shooter behind DeRozan. Either of them could earn more playing time if they shoot well, either could be on the floor with Patrick Williams, Derrick Jones jr backs up either forward spot now.

[toooskies]

Just wanted to say that after looking at the roster, we have a really good non-rotation bench this year. I'm not going to feel bad when any of Neto, Osman, Wade, Stevens, or Lopez get time, and those are our 10th through 14th men. That puts us in pretty good position to either handle injuries and give guys rest days, or make a consolidation trade.

Looking at your depth chart over on the T&T board I wonder if there isn't a potential deal with the Bulls. With Rubio out for at least the beginning of the year

What about Windler and Wade to CHI for Coby White and not because it's a WWW for both sides. White becomes a RFA after this year, he did start at PG in his 2nd year, was a streaky shooting backup guard last year, did show some improvement on defense and generally proved to be a combo guard. He could join Neto to fill in the minutes behind Garland until Rubio returns, then at the trade deadline he could move or just hang around as insurance.

The Bulls could use Wade as a stretch (and tall) 4 off the bench and Windler as a shooter behind DeRozan. Either of them could earn more playing time if they shoot well, either could be on the floor with Patrick Williams, Derrick Jones jr backs up either forward spot now.

Really depends on what happens with Sexton, but it sort of works either way. If Sexton stays, we need to consolidate a roster spot. If he goes, we could use the combo guard.

[jbk1234]

Just wanted to say that after looking at the roster, we have a really good non-rotation bench this year. I'm not going to feel bad when any of Neto, Osman, Wade, Stevens, or Lopez get time, and those are our 10th through 14th men. That puts us in pretty good position to either handle injuries and give guys rest days, or make a consolidation trade.

Looking at your depth chart over on the T&T board I wonder if there isn't a potential deal with the Bulls. With Rubio out for at least the beginning of the year

What about Windler and Wade to CHI for Coby White and not because it's a WWW for both sides. White becomes a RFA after this year, he did start at PG in his 2nd year, was a streaky shooting backup guard last year, did show some improvement on defense and generally proved to be a combo guard. He could join Neto to fill in the minutes behind Garland until Rubio returns, then at the trade deadline he could move or just hang around as insurance.

The Bulls could use Wade as a stretch (and tall) 4 off the bench and Windler as a shooter behind DeRozan. Either of them could earn more playing time if they shoot well, either could be on the floor with Patrick Williams, Derrick Jones jr backs up either forward spot now.

I don't think the Cavs would add Wade.

[toooskies]

Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.

[JujitsuFlip]

Fedor's podcast has the Sexton offer in the $13-15m per year range. I.e. the "we aren't paying to move off Dylan Windler" range.

I mean, they have to move off someone, there aren't enough roster spots, unless Sexton just sits the year out, which I highly doubt he does.