Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Prokorov]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6958412Here's one way to solve the problem if the Nets are too lucky in the first half and lower the pick value:they can have their pick back and tank the 2nd half of the year.

Nets wouldnt tank. we might be organically bad but both marks and prokhorov have been outspoken against tanking. they believe you cant build a sustainable positive culture while tanking.

I also dont think they would move Russell for the pick, they view him as the future of the franchise.

[Streakers33]

What do the cavs actually need ?


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[tidho]

What do the cavs actually need ?


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Bledsoe. ...a healthy PG that can play both ends of the floor.

Cauley-Stein ...rim protection that can run the floor.

The Wizard of Oz ...to give Lue a brain.

[Stillwater]

What do the cavs actually need ?



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[sunsbg]

A creative idea :

Cavs receive Bledsoe

Suns receive one of below based on the position of BKN pick :
- top 5 : the right to swap picks(Cavs still can end with a top 5 pick, send their own to Suns in such case)
- outside top 5 : the pick, send Miami pick to the Cavs if BKN's pick is 6-8
- Suns and BKN both top 5, Suns higher - Cavs send 2 firsts(their own) to the Suns

I think both teams are happy : Suns improve the chance to draft a stud, all they care at this point, the Cavs will be improved and still keep a good pick

[Stillwater]

A creative idea :

Cavs receive Bledsoe

Suns receive one of below based on the position of BKN pick :
- top 5 : the right to swap picks(Cavs still can end with a top 5 pick, send their own to Suns in such case)
- outside top 5 : the pick, send Miami pick to the Cavs if BKN's pick is 6-8
- Suns and BKN both top 5, Suns higher - Cavs send 2 firsts(their own) to the Suns

I think both teams are happy : Suns improve the chance to draft a stud, all they care at this point, the Cavs will be improved and still keep a good pick

Not that simple really/ we will not know the actual value of the Nets pick until next summer
Sure we might trade it at the deadline but EB will be gone long before then
The suns would have to absorb the contracts of Frye Calderon & somebody else (whom Cavs are unlikely to deal for Bledsoe) so they are not giving you any pick or agreeing to swap picks imo

[jcsunsfan]

What do the cavs actually need ?


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Bledsoe. ...a healthy PG that can play both ends of the floor.

Cauley-Stein ...rim protection that can run the floor.

The Wizard of Oz ...to give Lue a brain.

Hey. You know, I think, Bledsoe just might be available.

Seriously. There must be a Bledsoe and a swap of picks deal somehow that can work for both teams. Can't treat a trade like a competition, it must be a mutually beneficial arrangement. The thing is that the only thing the Suns would want from Cleveland is that Nets pick. Bledsoe, plus the Miami '18 pick and the Suns '18 second rounder (which will practically be a first rounder). Just throwin out ideas. Gives you something for now AND something for later. Maybe Bledsoe gives you enough success to get LeBron to stay around another year.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6960266
Thompson & Cavs first & miami 2nd out Bledsoe and rookie big in.
Cavs send Thompson to Jazz for Bledsoe from Phoenix & Tony Bradley from Utah.
Cavs give their own first to Phoenix unprotected & 2020 2nd from Miami to Utah.
Utah gives their own first to Cleveland Lottery protected for 2 years than becomes 2 future 2nds.
Suns give Jazz their own 2018 2nd protected for pick 31 & 32 only and rights too their 2018 second round draft pick from Memphis, Charlotte or Miami (second most favorable)to Jazz as well.

I am not a fan of trading Thompson but his lack of interest and overall struggles so far if they are indicative of a bigger problem force me too consider the possibility he is a potential trade candidate.

This trade does not have a high % of happening , but I think it is still in the realm of possibilities as Thompson could be a nice fit in Utah behind Gobert & Favors or next to Gobert if they plan on moving Favors at the deadline for a different position of need with Thompson giving them 2-3 more seasons compared to Favors expiring. Davon Reed once healthy gives Utah a decent replacement for the loss of Burks that shoots a better 3% than Burks and is a high level wing defender.
Phoenix might consider this for the slight upgrade in picks and Burks can help them at the 1 & 2 spots. Exum although injury prone still has potential and is worth the gamble given they are unlikely to get much for Bledsoe beyond this.
Cav's also get a decent upside big with rim protection and similar speed and defensive ability to guard 3-5 , is just young and needs to add mass to be an impact player at the 5 full time.

[jcsunsfan]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6960266
Thompson & Cavs first & miami 2nd out Bledsoe and rookie big in.
Cavs send Thompson to Jazz for Bledsoe from Phoenix & Tony Bradley from Utah.
Cavs give their own first to Phoenix unprotected & 2020 2nd from Miami to Utah.
Utah gives their own first to Cleveland Lottery protected for 2 years than becomes 2 future 2nds.
Suns give Jazz their own 2018 2nd protected for pick 31 & 32 only and rights too their 2018 second round draft pick from Memphis, Charlotte or Miami (second most favorable)to Jazz as well.

I am not a fan of trading Thompson but his lack of interest and overall struggles so far if they are indicative of a bigger problem force me too consider the possibility he is a potential trade candidate.

This trade does not have a high % of happening , but I think it is still in the realm of possibilities as Thompson could be a nice fit in Utah behind Gobert & Favors or next to Gobert if they plan on moving Favors at the deadline for a different position of need with Thompson giving them 2-3 more seasons compared to Favors expiring. Davon Reed once healthy gives Utah a decent replacement for the loss of Burks that shoots a better 3% than Burks and is a high level wing defender.
Phoenix might consider this for the slight upgrade in picks and Burks can help them at the 1 & 2 spots. Exum although injury prone still has potential and is worth the gamble given they are unlikely to get much for Bledsoe beyond this.
Cav's also get a decent upside big with rim protection and similar speed and defensive ability to guard 3-5 , is just young and needs to add mass to be an impact player at the 5 full time.

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[jbk1234]

I'll be shocked if the Cavs trade for Bledsoe. That would almost guarantee we have to trade IT at a discount when (if) he's ready to play this season. Bledsoe looked awful defensively before they sent him home. He also looked like he fell off a little at that end last year.

I suspect, but don't know, that Gilbert may have had enough of Klutch. TT & JR are making over $30 million this season as role players and they're giving meh effort. Gilbert's paying the repeater tax for that & he wants to bring in another Klutch player? Bledsoe isn't fixing what's wrong with this team.

Honestly, the Cavs have no business trade picks or young guys at this point.

[gordonyao]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6960415

If Cousins wants out / does not want to commit with NO before the trade deadline, Cav should try to acquire him

[Stillwater]

I'll be shocked if the Cavs trade for Bledsoe. That would almost guarantee we have to trade IT at a discount when (if) he's ready to play this season. Bledsoe looked awful defensively before they sent him home. He also looked like he fell off a little at that end last year.

I suspect, but don't know, that Gilbert may have had enough of Klutch. TT & JR are making over $30 million this season as role players and they're giving meh effort. Gilbert's paying the repeater tax for that & he wants to bring in another Klutch player? Bledsoe isn't fixing what's wrong with this team.

Honestly, the Cavs have no business trade picks or young guys at this point.

both valid points I had not considered in my trade idea.
I tend to agree that one of Rose or IT would have to go at the deadline if Bledsoe was traded for this soon in the season, I also agree that Bledsoe defense fell off, but I attributed that in retrospect from initial reports of his disgruntled status to mean he just was not interested in playing there and played badly.If he has started to decline then we would not consider bringing him in as he is not a great 3 point shooter same as Rose and would not help us at all.
My concern with T-Top is the fact that he seems to have a potential entitlement issue after being put on the bench to start the season,hopefully not. Swish definitely has that problem.Issue is neither have played well off the bench or starting.
Anyone can see that is not the case with others ( self absorbed) & that Lue is simply shuffling line ups to see who plays best together and when given the roster change over. Unfortunately not much has clicked,which is why I am hoping Lue starts utilizing the Euros more.
I hope I am reading that wrong,but it is possible that Thompson is or may soon become unhappy with the arrangement if he feels like he is being pushed out of the minutes /usage that he is accustom too or worse unappreciated. If so I think he gets moved.
(but like you said probably not for another Klutch client)
The fact that Love was already returned to the pf and now Crowder benched could have been a good move had the original starting 5 of last years sans Irving not played worse defense than with Irving against one of the worst offense teams in the League,and that in itself alone is a huge problem if it goes beyond conditioning or lack of interest given Irvings lackluster defensive effort over the course of every season he was a Cav until crunch time.
I also completely agree we should not be moving Osman or Zizic at all unless they don't pan out and we won't know that until next summer minimum. (or maybe never if they never play)
As far as trading picks, I think it will happen if it legitimately takes us to another level from where we are supposed to be as a team not just another level from where we are performance wise right now,as right now we could be lucky to make the playoffs even with another all star on the roster , even though no one actually thinks that is a possibility after so few games in a year with a shortened tc/

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6960415

If Cousins wants out / does not want to commit with NO before the trade deadline, Cav should try to acquire him

This would improve our team, but trading away Love will not happen esp for a player on an expiring who will need to get paid next summer and will leave for sure if Lebron gets disgruntled and bolts then we are left with nothing.

[afarmenian]

I really dont know why people keep bringing up Cousins. The pelicans would have to completely implode for that to happen and that doesnt look likely.

I really dont know what the Cavs can do without mortgaging the future. They need an actual center very very badly. The plan to start Love was a disaster and who knows what is up with TT. People keep talking up the new nba but the Cavs are getting killed in the front court and neglecting the center position looks like the Cavs might finally be paying the piper.

I to this day still think the best Cavs teams we had was having a healthy Mozgov doing the dirty work next to Love with TT off the bench.

As much as i get on Love and TT for being bad on defense and not protecting the rim its kinda unfair that they have to play center.

The grizzlies will not be tradeing Gasol either but i would be so tempted to go all in on him if he were available.

[jbk1234]

I really dont know why people keep bringing up Cousins. The pelicans would have to completely implode for that to happen and that doesnt look likely.

Yeah the Pelicans are playing well. Teams that have been bad for a long time don't trade away their best players when they finally start playing well.

[tidho]

Extension talks with D.Jordan have apparently stalled. Maybe time to call the Clippers.

Thompson, Frye, pick for Jordan?

Thompson may be happier in LA, plus the Clippers postpone negotiation a couple years save some cash and get a reasonable replacement.

Jordan is a free agent, but that works both ways. If the team stays competitive he'll likely want to be here and if they don't we wouldn't want Thompson's contract anyway.

Plenty of opportunity to balance this, for instance including Brice Johnson could swing the pick from the Cavaliers' to the Nets'.

[Streakers33]

Send Jordan to minny...

Towns and Jordan up front.. wings of butler and Wiggins..


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[jcsunsfan]

I'll be shocked if the Cavs trade for Bledsoe. That would almost guarantee we have to trade IT at a discount when (if) he's ready to play this season. Bledsoe looked awful defensively before they sent him home. He also looked like he fell off a little at that end last year.

I suspect, but don't know, that Gilbert may have had enough of Klutch. TT & JR are making over $30 million this season as role players and they're giving meh effort. Gilbert's paying the repeater tax for that & he wants to bring in another Klutch player? Bledsoe isn't fixing what's wrong with this team.

Honestly, the Cavs have no business trade picks or young guys at this point.

This is an interesting post. I could see the Klutch thing being a negative for Gilbert. Its like they are running his franchise. Adding Bledsoe would be just another Klutch client who is not producing for the team he plays for.

Overall Klutch clients right now don't have a real good look, (except LeBron). I guess this is something Phoenix and Cleveland fans have in common--frustrating Klutch clients.

[jbk1234]

Extension talks with D.Jordan have apparently stalled. Maybe time to call the Clippers.

Thompson, Frye, pick for Jordan?

Thompson may be happier in LA, plus the Clippers postpone negotiation a couple years save some cash and get a reasonable replacement.

Jordan is a free agent, but that works both ways. If the team stays competitive he'll likely want to be here and if they don't we wouldn't want Thompson's contract anyway.

Plenty of opportunity to balance this, for instance including Brice Johnson could swing the pick from the Cavaliers' to the Nets'.

I just don't see why teams who are playing well would trade key pieces absent a serious overpay.

[CaptainCanada]

If Cav's look like they are going to miss the playoffs would you trade Lebron?