2024-25 Regular Season

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

I mean, it's not like anyone is going to poach him from the Cavs.

He has what 1 or 2 years of 2way eligibility left? So worst case they can just throw him on one of those.

Shoot, he could even just sign directly with the Charge even though that is less money, to continue working on his game.

[toooskies]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

I mean, it's not like anyone is going to poach him from the Cavs.

He has what 1 or 2 years of 2way eligibility left? So worst case they can just throw him on one of those.

Shoot, he could even just sign directly with the Charge even though that is less money, to continue working on his game.

In all those cases I'd expect him to be on the Summer League team and have a camp invite.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

I mean, it's not like anyone is going to poach him from the Cavs.

He has what 1 or 2 years of 2way eligibility left? So worst case they can just throw him on one of those.

Shoot, he could even just sign directly with the Charge even though that is less money, to continue working on his game.

In all those cases I'd expect him to be on the Summer League team and have a camp invite.

He can receive a camp invite any time between now and October. Not like the Cavs are losing anything with Brobley, outside of maybe some goodwill with Mobley.

[JonFromVA]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

Hard to say, it could be something he asked for so he can find a better opportunity, or maybe the Cavs wanted to free up his 2-way slot and it's just understood he will be taken care of one way or another.

If he doesn't play for us in Summer League, will he sign on with another team? If so, then perhaps he is looking for an opportunity for a bigger role on another team.

[JonFromVA]

I mean, it's not like anyone is going to poach him from the Cavs.

He has what 1 or 2 years of 2way eligibility left? So worst case they can just throw him on one of those.

Shoot, he could even just sign directly with the Charge even though that is less money, to continue working on his game.

In all those cases I'd expect him to be on the Summer League team and have a camp invite.

He can receive a camp invite any time between now and October. Not like the Cavs are losing anything with Brobley, outside of maybe some goodwill with Mobley.

Bronny set the bar high for what nepotism should pay....

[theBigLip]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

[JonFromVA]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

Depends how badly JB Bickerstaff wants to still be coaching him?

There's a price the Cavs clearly don't want to pay him. Offer his agent a better deal and give the Cavs something in exchange and he's likely all yours.

[JonFromVA]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

Hard to say, it could be something he asked for so he can find a better opportunity, or maybe the Cavs wanted to free up his 2-way slot and it's just understood he will be taken care of one way or another.

If he doesn't play for us in Summer League, will he sign on with another team? If so, then perhaps he is looking for an opportunity for a bigger role on another team.

I suppose there's a more sinister possibility ... that the Cavs made Evan what they think is a fair offer, Evan turned it down, and now they're showing how things like his brother's contract status is contingent on Evan's co-operation.

Maybe Riley would do that, but it doesn't sound like Altman.

[theBigLip]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

Depends how badly JB Bickerstaff wants to still be coaching him?

There's a price the Cavs clearly don't want to pay him. Offer his agent a better deal and give the Cavs something in exchange and he's likely all yours.

We clearly need all the talent we can get. I’m surprised nothing has happened yet.

[toooskies]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

At least one public evaluator (Hollinger) has Okoro's value over $20m/year. If a team gives him a deal in that range, the Cavs almost certainly have to pass.

At any point, Okoro can accept the Cavs' QO of $12.8m. That could happen right now and the Cavs are forced to keep him.

It's likely the Cavs keep Okoro at around $15m/year. But even the QO brings the Cavs into the tax, which they have been reluctant to enter previously. (They might try to dump Niang to avoid the tax.)

There has been talk of sign-and-trades for Okoro from multiple members of the media, but those haven't materialized as solid deals yet. Summer League is the most likely time/place for a deal to be finalized. If that comes and goes with no S&T, I'm not expecting one.

Mobley and Allen still haven't signed extensions, which means they're technically still in play for a trade. (As is Garland.) Evan's brother Isaiah was not given a QO and is not on the summer league roster, which I'm currently reading too much into. Okoro could be moved or re-signed during/after some other deal.

The Cavs have not been afraid to use their RFA leverage in the past (see Sexton, Varejao) when a free agent market doesn't materialize.

[theBigLip]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

At least one public evaluator (Hollinger) has Okoro's value over $20m/year. If a team gives him a deal in that range, the Cavs almost certainly have to pass.

At any point, Okoro can accept the Cavs' QO of $12.8m. That could happen right now and the Cavs are forced to keep him.

It's likely the Cavs keep Okoro at around $15m/year. But even the QO brings the Cavs into the tax, which they have been reluctant to enter previously. (They might try to dump Niang to avoid the tax.)

There has been talk of sign-and-trades for Okoro from multiple members of the media, but those haven't materialized as solid deals yet. Summer League is the most likely time/place for a deal to be finalized. If that comes and goes with no S&T, I'm not expecting one.

Mobley and Allen still haven't signed extensions, which means they're technically still in play for a trade. (As is Garland.) Evan's brother Isaiah was not given a QO and is not on the summer league roster, which I'm currently reading too much into. Okoro could be moved or re-signed during/after some other deal.

The Cavs have not been afraid to use their RFA leverage in the past (see Sexton, Varejao) when a free agent market doesn't materialize.

Cool. Thanks for the details.

[toooskies]

Pistons fan lurking

What’s the likelihood you keep Okoro?

Depends how badly JB Bickerstaff wants to still be coaching him?

There's a price the Cavs clearly don't want to pay him. Offer his agent a better deal and give the Cavs something in exchange and he's likely all yours.

We clearly need all the talent we can get. I’m surprised nothing has happened yet.

My guess is that Langdon needs to figure out which of the guys he inherited he wants to keep and which he's ready to send off if he wants to acquire Okoro. Okoro is a SG who can play SF, but Detroit already has Ivey, Thompson, Holland, THJ, Beasley, and Fontecchio there to get minutes.

[JujitsuFlip]

In all those cases I'd expect him to be on the Summer League team and have a camp invite.

He can receive a camp invite any time between now and October. Not like the Cavs are losing anything with Brobley, outside of maybe some goodwill with Mobley.

Bronny set the bar high for what nepotism should pay....

If only Mobley had the accomplishments that Sr has lol

[theBigLip]

Depends how badly JB Bickerstaff wants to still be coaching him?

There's a price the Cavs clearly don't want to pay him. Offer his agent a better deal and give the Cavs something in exchange and he's likely all yours.

We clearly need all the talent we can get. I’m surprised nothing has happened yet.

My guess is that Langdon needs to figure out which of the guys he inherited he wants to keep and which he's ready to send off if he wants to acquire Okoro. Okoro is a SG who can play SF, but Detroit already has Ivey, Thompson, Holland, THJ, Beasley, and Fontecchio there to get minutes.

I'm not sure what the depth chart is or will be. Lots of these guys play multiple positions. I don't think THJ or Beasley will be around past next year's trade deadline.

[jbk1234]

I'm surprised Isaiah Mobley both did not receive a QO and also did not make the Summer League team. It isn't as if Isaiah is too good for Summer League.

But he's also shown up in an official team photo with his brother and Atkinson.

Not sure if he's moving to a non-playing role with the team or what.

Given the amount of effort that's been lacking since we acquired him, he's kind of already there. When he got NBA minutes, dude couldn't even be bothered to set a real screen.

[JujitsuFlip]

We clearly need all the talent we can get. I’m surprised nothing has happened yet.

My guess is that Langdon needs to figure out which of the guys he inherited he wants to keep and which he's ready to send off if he wants to acquire Okoro. Okoro is a SG who can play SF, but Detroit already has Ivey, Thompson, Holland, THJ, Beasley, and Fontecchio there to get minutes.

I'm not sure what the depth chart is or will be. Lots of these guys play multiple positions. I don't think THJ or Beasley will be around past next year's trade deadline.

Whoever your top 8 guys end up being, those are the only guys JB will play 10+ mpg, starting game 1 of the regular season.

[toooskies]

My guess is that Langdon needs to figure out which of the guys he inherited he wants to keep and which he's ready to send off if he wants to acquire Okoro. Okoro is a SG who can play SF, but Detroit already has Ivey, Thompson, Holland, THJ, Beasley, and Fontecchio there to get minutes.

I'm not sure what the depth chart is or will be. Lots of these guys play multiple positions. I don't think THJ or Beasley will be around past next year's trade deadline.

Whoever your top 8 guys end up being, those are the only guys JB will play 10+ mpg, starting game 1 of the regular season.

Yeah, on second thought I don't think JBB brought out the best in Okoro. Not sure if bringing him along is the right move for Okoro or Detroit.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm not sure what the depth chart is or will be. Lots of these guys play multiple positions. I don't think THJ or Beasley will be around past next year's trade deadline.

Whoever your top 8 guys end up being, those are the only guys JB will play 10+ mpg, starting game 1 of the regular season.

Yeah, on second thought I don't think JBB brought out the best in Okoro. Not sure if bringing him along is the right move for Okoro or Detroit.

Cavs are all in on that idea. They are gambling on Kenny and his staff being able to unlock Mobley, make Allen more than a dunk man, create synergy between Garland and Mitchell, give playing time to TJ, CPJ, Merrill, Tyson, Bates, and any other young prospect.

It is a very bold idea and i wanted jb gone probably more than anyone here but I'm not of the mindset he was the sole issue with the Cavs the past 3 seasons.

[jbk1234]

Whoever your top 8 guys end up being, those are the only guys JB will play 10+ mpg, starting game 1 of the regular season.

Yeah, on second thought I don't think JBB brought out the best in Okoro. Not sure if bringing him along is the right move for Okoro or Detroit.

Cavs are all in on that idea. They are gambling on Kenny and his staff being able to unlock Mobley, make Allen more than a dunk man, create synergy between Garland and Mitchell, give playing time to TJ, CPJ, Merrill, Tyson, Bates, and any other young prospect.

It is a very bold idea and i wanted jb gone probably more than anyone here but I'm not of the mindset he was the sole issue with the Cavs the past 3 seasons.

Atkinson isn't a magician. TJ, CPJ, Merrill, and especially Bates, have serious limitations. TJ and CPJ are 3rd string PGs, or at best, flawed backups. I'm not convinced Bates is an NBA player.

[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, on second thought I don't think JBB brought out the best in Okoro. Not sure if bringing him along is the right move for Okoro or Detroit.

Cavs are all in on that idea. They are gambling on Kenny and his staff being able to unlock Mobley, make Allen more than a dunk man, create synergy between Garland and Mitchell, give playing time to TJ, CPJ, Merrill, Tyson, Bates, and any other young prospect.

It is a very bold idea and i wanted jb gone probably more than anyone here but I'm not of the mindset he was the sole issue with the Cavs the past 3 seasons.

Atkinson isn't a magician. TJ, CPJ, Merrill, and especially Bates, have serious limitations. TJ and CPJ are 3rd string PGs, or at best, flawed backups. I'm not convinced Bates is an NBA player.

All true, Kenny still sold Koby and Dan on the principals they were looking for. Kenny is everything jb was not, for better or worse.

Kenny took a team to the playoffs securing the 6th seed while giving regular rotation minutes to guys named Joe Harris, Allen Crabbe, Demarre Carroll (now on his staff), RHJ, Dudley, Kurucs, Ed Davis, Treveon Graham, and Napier.

We know the Cavs are of this belief by their lack of trades and signings this summer. They truly believe jb was the sole issue and they're taking a nearly identical roster from 2023 and essentially 2022 against a beefed up Eastern conference... We all sure as crap better hope Kenny is a magician. Not just for those end of bench guys but for the top of the rotation guys too, maybe especially. Kenny did elevate freakin D'Lo to All-Star status after all.