Waiters?

cavsfan_osiris · Post #321 » by **cavsfan_osiris** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:40 am

I'm trying like heck to feel good about Waiters, but I'm concerned. If we had to do the draft all over right now there is no way he'd go #4. He wouldn't even be a lottery pick. It's hard to be positive when I know that's the case right now.

I'm trying to stay positive based on the concept of having someone else on the team besides Kid Clutch who can handle the rock and create on their own. Having players who aren't dependent on KI is extremely important, hopefully Waiters provides that as well as developing off the ball. KI can already play off ball so the Cavs could have a versatile backcourt.

Another thing keeping me positive is that I'm guessing Waiters is not a big pre-season/practice guy. I have a feeling when bullets fly for real that he will be a different player. I hope he isn't starting right away though, he hasn't earned it.

I'm hoping it works out because I like Chris Grant as GM. Ultimately drafting Waiters was high risk / medium reward.

Dupp · Post #322 » by **Dupp** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 10:40 am

^ Yeah we're all probably a little concerned and i doubt he was anyone's first choice at #4 but whats done is done. It'll take a good part of the season if not longer to really find out if hes got a neesh on this team and even in the nba. Early on he doesnt seem like a great fit next to Kyrie, another ball handler and an undersized 2 guard to boot. All we can do is support him and hope he works hard and continues to improve. Time will tell.

I do find myself hoping Drummond and Val dont turn into studs. Not because i dislike them but there will always be an element of what if, especially with Drummond it seems as he has quite the potential.

SaiCLE · Post #323 » by **SaiCLE** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:55 pm

Watching that game almost made me quit watching basketball, me and my family were embarresed. The only highlights for me were tt and kyrie smh

God Squad · Post #324 » by **God Squad** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 4:13 pm

Raps fan. It's not over for waiters obviously. I was a huge doubter until he had that big game the other day. Although its one game, you see a little bit of what he can do on offence. He's good if the shot is falling. If not, good luck. He's streaky and isn't the best defender. But the potential is def there. Imo he would of been better on another team. Kyrie is obviously looking great.

Kaner · Post #325 » by **Kaner** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:05 pm

I'm still not discounting the notion that he should be used in the same manner as Harden... in fact, there was an article the other day that also mentioned that on Cavs.com. I just don't see why not. Would you rather have Dion running the second unit or Donald Sloan and Booby Gibson... I realize it's not a popular opinion to have the #4 overall pick be a bench player, but it's not like that makes him any less important in the grand scheme of things... I mean look at Ginobili, and in the past Jason Terry. Two guys critical in the overall success of championship rosters. When it comes to maximizing the talent, I think it's best if we play to his strengths, which include dominating the ball and creating offense. He is no Bradley Beal when it comes to moving off screens

mcfly1204 · Post #326 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 5:07 pm

I still like the pick as Waiters looks as though he can be the secondary ball handler/creator that every team needs. I find it terribly difficult to judge a player on preseason performances alone.

Name that player: (hint: he is an up and coming SG that everyone is infatuated with)
Games: 7
MPG: 27.3
PPG: 12.2
APG: 2.0
RPG: 3.2

39.9FG% 25.93PT% 60%FT%

Wreckus13 · Post #327 » by **Wreckus13** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:19 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:I still like the pick as Waiters looks as though he can be the secondary ball handler/creator that every team needs. I find it terribly difficult to judge a player on preseason performances alone.

Name that player: (hint: he is an up and coming SG that everyone is infatuated with)
Games: 7
MPG: 27.3
PPG: 12.2
APG: 2.0
RPG: 3.2

39.9FG% 25.93PT% 60%FT%

Brad Beal?

SaiCLE · Post #328 » by **SaiCLE** » Thu Oct 18, 2012 8:41 pm

Kaner wrote:I'm still not discounting the notion that he should be used in the same manner as Harden... in fact, there was an article the other day that also mentioned that on Cavs.com. I just don't see why not. Would you rather have Dion running the second unit or Donald Sloan and Booby Gibson... I realize it's not a popular opinion to have the #4 overall pick be a bench player, but it's not like that makes him any less important in the grand scheme of things... I mean look at Ginobili, and in the past Jason Terry. Two guys critical in the overall success of championship rosters. When it comes to maximizing the talent, I think it's best if we play to his strengths, which include dominating the ball and creating offense. He is no Bradley Beal when it comes to moving off screens

I know we haven't got along, but I have to respectfully agree with you. Dion Is more of a project than i thought, And i mentioned this on another forum, I think should be a super six man till he learns to fully play off the ball. His true talent Is only shown when Kyrie isn't on the court, The only good thing i got out of that game was that his defense is looking better and he was able to bypass his defender.

Roger Murdock · Post #329 » by **Roger Murdock** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 2:23 pm

James Harden was a nobody for the first year and half of his career, and now is probably the best player from his draft. Waiters was a nobody his freshmen year and was the best guard in college basketball his sophomore year. I think maybe we should show a little patience, like maybe wait until the regular season starts. Hes clearly got slashing, ball handling, and passing abilities, and has shown to be awesome when hitting his jumper.

PhilasFinest · Post #330 » by **PhilasFinest** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:21 pm

Roger Murdock wrote: Waiters was a nobody his freshmen year and was the best guard in college basketball his sophomore year.

Waiters was never the best guard in college basketball bro.
He didn't even start for his team.

God Squad · Post #331 » by **God Squad** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:55 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote: Waiters was a nobody his freshmen year and was the best guard in college basketball his sophomore year.

Waiters was never the best guard in college basketball bro.
He didn't even start for his team.

His coach praised him as his best player. He just started the older guys. So that's irrelevant. Dion was pretty good. in collage and his stats back it up. He might not have started, but he was on the court for the end. I'm just not a fan of his streaky shooting and size. Also just a horrible fit for Cavs and Irving.

SaiCLE · Post #332 » by **SaiCLE** » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:31 pm

I agree with some that says we need to be patience. Other than that, The only way i can see him fit this team is if he fully learns how to play off the ball. One of the positives about this dude is that he is improving his man to man defense fast and it's showing...

Roger Murdock · Post #333 » by **Roger Murdock** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 12:32 pm

PhilasFinest wrote:
Roger Murdock wrote: Waiters was a nobody his freshmen year and was the best guard in college basketball his sophomore year.

Waiters was never the best guard in college basketball bro.
He didn't even start for his team.

He was by far the best player on his team, which was ranked #2 overall. Him not starting is irrelevant.

God Squad · Post #334 » by **God Squad** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:11 pm

I want an honest un homer opinion. Would you still draft waiters 4th? After seeing the same amount of games from other prospects?

Dupp · Post #335 » by **Dupp** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 pm

I don't think anyone here has ever said they would have drafted waiters at 4th. We are all hoping he proves everybody wrong though.

God Squad · Post #336 » by **God Squad** » Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:31 pm

Dutuctive Depp wrote:I don't think anyone here has ever said they would have drafted waiters at 4th. We are all hoping he proves everybody wrong though.

True. My mistake.

Roger Murdock · Post #337 » by **Roger Murdock** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:35 am

God Squad wrote:I want an honest un homer opinion. Would you still draft waiters 4th? After seeing the same amount of games from other prospects?

I wanted Waiters at 4 and was thrilled when we took him. Would I still take him at 4? I would lean towards Drummond at this point, but I am still very happy with the pick.

SaiCLE · Post #338 » by **SaiCLE** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:36 am

I wanted MKG but once i realized that wasn't happening, I was hoping for Drummond even though people were against him.

Btw, How would people feel if the Cavaliers draft james machado next year( If we have a top pick)

Post #339 » by **B Mac** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:10 am

SaiCLE wrote:I wanted MKG but once i realized that wasn't happening, I was hoping for Drummond even though people were against him.

Btw, How would people feel if the Cavaliers draft james machado next year( If we have a top pick)

My big board was:

AD
MKG
Drummond
Beal

I would have been thrilled with any of those 4. Kind of like 2011 when I just knew that we were going to get either Kanter or Valancuinas.

As for the 2013 draft... I've learned my lesson. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me three times? Not gonna happen. Im on to you Grant.

fart · Post #340 » by **fart** » Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:41 am

B Mac wrote:
SaiCLE wrote:I wanted MKG but once i realized that wasn't happening, I was hoping for Drummond even though people were against him.

Btw, How would people feel if the Cavaliers draft james machado next year( If we have a top pick)

My big board was:

AD
MKG
Drummond
Beal

I would have been thrilled with any of those 4. Kind of like 2011 when I just knew that we were going to get either Kanter or Valancuinas.

As for the 2013 draft... I've learned my lesson. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me three times? Not gonna happen. Im on to you Grant.

Irving/Valancuinas/Drummond :nod:

Irving/Thompson/Waiters :-?