Trade Ideas

[LivingLegend]

Why would Orlando value Pangos?

They’d see increasing the 2022 $$ from Ross to Love as the price paid for Windler. For Pangos, they’re just doing the Cavs a favor

Windler and Love lead the Cavs in 3pt shooting (both around 40%) ... with Lauri out and Cedi going cold ... our next best 3pt shooter other than Garland is Stevens at 32.5%.

This is an area we need to strengthen, not weaken.

No argument from me. I’m just saying that Love isn’t seen by Orlando as an asset here.

When someone trading for him doesn’t value him as much as the Cavs do, it’s tough to align the sides of a deal. Tossing Pangos out as an alternative doesn’t change it.

Rubio for Ross + minor asset or Rubio + minor asset for Harris make more sense. Not advocating any of them.


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Well, also given the fact that the Cavs have injuries to deal with now with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio being out-- I highly doubt the Cavs would send Love away for any deal that doesnt net them 2 rotation players. The Cavs need depth because of injuries. They cant afford to be shipping out players in a 1 for 1 deal.

Ross is a fine player, but not one that commands anything more than a Cavs mid-late FRP. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and is playing his worst basketball since his Toronto Raptor days this season. IDK how much Im giving up for 11/2/2 on 31% 3pt shooting.

If the Cavs are giving up good assets like FRP, Sexton or Rubio in a deal--I would much prefer Levert/Hield/Barnes over Ross. However with 1 remaining year on his contract and Garland/Sexton looking for deals--the Cavs might view that as a bonus.

[JonFromVA]

Why would Orlando value Pangos?

They’d see increasing the 2022 $$ from Ross to Love as the price paid for Windler. For Pangos, they’re just doing the Cavs a favor

Windler and Love lead the Cavs in 3pt shooting (both around 40%) ... with Lauri out and Cedi going cold ... our next best 3pt shooter other than Garland is Stevens at 32.5%.

This is an area we need to strengthen, not weaken.

No argument from me. I’m just saying that Love isn’t seen by Orlando as an asset here.

When someone trading for him doesn’t value him as much as the Cavs do, it’s tough to align the sides of a deal. Tossing Pangos out as an alternative doesn’t change it.

Rubio for Ross + minor asset or Rubio + minor asset for Harris make more sense. Not advocating any of them.

I have no clue how much Orlando values Love, but Skybox seems to think he'd help them out in the short term by providing floor spacing (we'd be losing) and perhaps in the long-term by flipping him next season.

Alas, we need that floor spacing, instant offense, and yes veteran leadership a lot more than they do.

[JonFromVA]

Windler and Love lead the Cavs in 3pt shooting (both around 40%) ... with Lauri out and Cedi going cold ... our next best 3pt shooter other than Garland is Stevens at 32.5%.

This is an area we need to strengthen, not weaken.

No argument from me. I’m just saying that Love isn’t seen by Orlando as an asset here.

When someone trading for him doesn’t value him as much as the Cavs do, it’s tough to align the sides of a deal. Tossing Pangos out as an alternative doesn’t change it.

Rubio for Ross + minor asset or Rubio + minor asset for Harris make more sense. Not advocating any of them.


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Well, also given the fact that the Cavs have injuries to deal with now with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio being out-- I highly doubt the Cavs would send Love away for any deal that doesnt net them 2 rotation players. The Cavs need depth because of injuries. They cant afford to be shipping out players in a 1 for 1 deal.

Ross is a fine player, but not one that commands anything more than a Cavs mid-late FRP. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and is playing his worst basketball since his Toronto Raptor days this season. IDK how much Im giving up for 11/2/2 on 31% 3pt shooting.

If the Cavs are giving up good assets like FRP, Sexton or Rubio in a deal--I would much prefer Levert/Hield/Barnes over Ross. However with 1 remaining year on his contract and Garland/Sexton looking for deals--the Cavs might view that as a bonus.

What do you like about Ross that you'd absorb his salary next year and give up any sort of asset to do it?

[gottamakeit]

As a Mavs fan watching your team play, someone like Brunson would be a fantastic addition to your team.

[LivingLegend]

No argument from me. I’m just saying that Love isn’t seen by Orlando as an asset here.

When someone trading for him doesn’t value him as much as the Cavs do, it’s tough to align the sides of a deal. Tossing Pangos out as an alternative doesn’t change it.

Rubio for Ross + minor asset or Rubio + minor asset for Harris make more sense. Not advocating any of them.


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Well, also given the fact that the Cavs have injuries to deal with now with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio being out-- I highly doubt the Cavs would send Love away for any deal that doesnt net them 2 rotation players. The Cavs need depth because of injuries. They cant afford to be shipping out players in a 1 for 1 deal.

Ross is a fine player, but not one that commands anything more than a Cavs mid-late FRP. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and is playing his worst basketball since his Toronto Raptor days this season. IDK how much Im giving up for 11/2/2 on 31% 3pt shooting.

If the Cavs are giving up good assets like FRP, Sexton or Rubio in a deal--I would much prefer Levert/Hield/Barnes over Ross. However with 1 remaining year on his contract and Garland/Sexton looking for deals--the Cavs might view that as a bonus.

What do you like about Ross that you'd absorb his salary next year and give up any sort of asset to do it?

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

[KuruptedCav]

Well, also given the fact that the Cavs have injuries to deal with now with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio being out-- I highly doubt the Cavs would send Love away for any deal that doesnt net them 2 rotation players. The Cavs need depth because of injuries. They cant afford to be shipping out players in a 1 for 1 deal.

Ross is a fine player, but not one that commands anything more than a Cavs mid-late FRP. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and is playing his worst basketball since his Toronto Raptor days this season. IDK how much Im giving up for 11/2/2 on 31% 3pt shooting.

If the Cavs are giving up good assets like FRP, Sexton or Rubio in a deal--I would much prefer Levert/Hield/Barnes over Ross. However with 1 remaining year on his contract and Garland/Sexton looking for deals--the Cavs might view that as a bonus.

What do you like about Ross that you'd absorb his salary next year and give up any sort of asset to do it?

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

Toss in MCW and play lll absorb Ross 2nd tar and not complain about Rubio going out…


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[jbk1234]

One thing I'm noticing is that there are a lot of teams shopping for Rubio's expiring deal under the pretense of doing us a favor.

[JonFromVA]

Well, also given the fact that the Cavs have injuries to deal with now with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio being out-- I highly doubt the Cavs would send Love away for any deal that doesnt net them 2 rotation players. The Cavs need depth because of injuries. They cant afford to be shipping out players in a 1 for 1 deal.

Ross is a fine player, but not one that commands anything more than a Cavs mid-late FRP. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and is playing his worst basketball since his Toronto Raptor days this season. IDK how much Im giving up for 11/2/2 on 31% 3pt shooting.

If the Cavs are giving up good assets like FRP, Sexton or Rubio in a deal--I would much prefer Levert/Hield/Barnes over Ross. However with 1 remaining year on his contract and Garland/Sexton looking for deals--the Cavs might view that as a bonus.

What do you like about Ross that you'd absorb his salary next year and give up any sort of asset to do it?

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

Just seems to me the Magic should be sending us something to take Ross off their hands and absorb the risk that he might not be a complete waste of a roster spot.

[LivingLegend]

What do you like about Ross that you'd absorb his salary next year and give up any sort of asset to do it?

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

Just seems to me the Magic should be sending us something to take Ross off their hands and absorb the risk that he might not be a complete waste of a roster spot.

Shoot with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio all down--the Cavs need to be doing everything they can to aquire guys like Ross teams are looking to dump. They are in the thick of it and can't afford a 5 game losing streak because we haven't addressed depth concerns from all the injuries.

You can tell Garland has worn down and could use a break and fatigue is starting to catch up to a lot of guys. They have low energy and 'dead legs' a lot of these recent games.

Garland/Mobley/Allen have looked less than crisp these past 2 weeks. Gotta do something to remedy the situation and bring fresh legs in here to avoid any sort of slide.

[mcfly1204]

Ross has been a below average player for a few years now, I am sure we can find someone else who can dribble and not shoot for < $10 million a season.

[toooskies]

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

Just seems to me the Magic should be sending us something to take Ross off their hands and absorb the risk that he might not be a complete waste of a roster spot.

Shoot with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio all down--the Cavs need to be doing everything they can to aquire guys like Ross teams are looking to dump. They are in the thick of it and can't afford a 5 game losing streak because we haven't addressed depth concerns from all the injuries.

You can tell Garland has worn down and could use a break and fatigue is starting to catch up to a lot of guys. They have low energy and 'dead legs' a lot of these recent games.

Garland/Mobley/Allen have looked less than crisp these past 2 weeks. Gotta do something to remedy the situation and bring fresh legs in here to avoid any sort of slide.

I agree, everyone is looking tired. Garland is making sloppy mistakes. Cedi is slumping severely. The defense is struggling, although not from lack of effort from Isaac.

Rondo coming back will help a little, just so we're not rushing to get Garland back in for Goodwin.

Getting three days off after the Bucks game Wednesday will help a little more.

Only facing three teams with winning records before the all-star break should help a lot.

[JonFromVA]

The fact that he can dribble a basketball, create his own shot and historically has been a good 3PT shooter. The 'good' version of Terrance Ross is an ideal piece the Cavs desperatly need. The question is, is he washed or just need a change of scenery to get some pep back in his step.

Just seems to me the Magic should be sending us something to take Ross off their hands and absorb the risk that he might not be a complete waste of a roster spot.

Shoot with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio all down--the Cavs need to be doing everything they can to aquire guys like Ross teams are looking to dump. They are in the thick of it and can't afford a 5 game losing streak because we haven't addressed depth concerns from all the injuries.

You can tell Garland has worn down and could use a break and fatigue is starting to catch up to a lot of guys. They have low energy and 'dead legs' a lot of these recent games.

Garland/Mobley/Allen have looked less than crisp these past 2 weeks. Gotta do something to remedy the situation and bring fresh legs in here to avoid any sort of slide.

Sure, Altman's job is to fill in some of our roster holes but ideally not temporarily and not in a way that will derail what we're doing or cost us too much in the future. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on whoever he can bring in, but I don't expect him to make a panic move so that means we will probably need to ride it out to the trade deadline or the buyout period.

Fortunately given our schedule, the risk of a 5 game slide is low.

I also don't expect Altman to work miracles. Losing Sexton, Rubio, and Markkenen to injury are all major hits to the roster and then Allen too last night may have been too much but perhaps we caught a break to catch the Knicks at home on the second night of a back to back for them.

Basically, if we're going to give up draft assets, I want someone we know can come in and help the team this season and beyond. Someone who fits the character/chemistry and timeline of our roster, not just a stop gap. We took a leap faster than expected this season and some of our depth problems are because we haven't had time to develop the bench more. But we can do that, even picking later in the draft. Even if we keep all our picks, we can always draft & stash something for the future or even trade a pick in to the future.

[LivingLegend]

Just seems to me the Magic should be sending us something to take Ross off their hands and absorb the risk that he might not be a complete waste of a roster spot.

Shoot with Lauri/Sexton/Rubio all down--the Cavs need to be doing everything they can to aquire guys like Ross teams are looking to dump. They are in the thick of it and can't afford a 5 game losing streak because we haven't addressed depth concerns from all the injuries.

You can tell Garland has worn down and could use a break and fatigue is starting to catch up to a lot of guys. They have low energy and 'dead legs' a lot of these recent games.

Garland/Mobley/Allen have looked less than crisp these past 2 weeks. Gotta do something to remedy the situation and bring fresh legs in here to avoid any sort of slide.

Sure, Altman's job is to fill in some of our roster holes but ideally not temporarily and not in a way that will derail what we're doing or cost us too much in the future. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on whoever he can bring in, but I don't expect him to make a panic move so that means we will probably need to ride it out to the trade deadline or the buyout period.

Fortunately given our schedule, the risk of a 5 game slide is low.

I also don't expect Altman to work miracles. Losing Sexton, Rubio, and Markkenen to injury are all major hits to the roster and then Allen too last night may have been too much but perhaps we caught a break to catch the Knicks at home on the second night of a back to back for them.

Basically, if we're going to give up draft assets, I want someone we know can come in and help the team this season and beyond. Someone who fits the character/chemistry and timeline of our roster, not just a stop gap. We took a leap faster than expected this season and some of our depth problems are because we haven't had time to develop the bench more. But we can do that, even picking later in the draft. Even if we keep all our picks, we can always draft & stash something for the future or even trade a pick in to the future.

I think a lot of that can be attributed to the way JB coaches. We had this discussion earlier in the season but its apparent now more than ever--he needs to expand the bench and stop running this same group of 8 into the ground every night and especially on 6 games in 9 night road trips. It has caught up to them and the Cavs need to start leaning on guys like Wade/Windler/Davis more and more. He didnt want to do it then, but now he is forced to.

I would still prefer if they brought somebody in that could dribble and create their own shot even if that means giving up a good asset. You cant let this year go to waste and be content with a 1st round playoff exit. Who knows when we will have a chance like this again with all of the FA movement every year. Carpe Diem.

No trade is perfect and if players are available in trade--its typically for a reason. The perfect solution isnt always out there so you have to take your best educated guess--which might be a guy like Levert at the end of the day because he would fill that secondary ball handler/shot creator role next to Garland.

The Cavs have their young core already with Garland/Allen/Mobley and even Okoro/Sexton. How many more young assets in the future does this team need? The rebuild is done....go make some 'win now' moves and quit playing for next year or else you wind up like Atlanta forced to sell off guys like Reddish because you cant afford to keep them all.

Im just not as nearly concerned with the value of a 2023 or 2024 mid-late FRP as some others are

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[jbk1234]

I don't mind making a trade, but it should still be the right trade, and the Cavs absolutely shouldn't be afraid to take it to the deadline.

[LivingLegend]

I don't mind making a trade, but it should still be the right trade, and the Cavs absolutely shouldn't be afraid to take it to the deadline.

I have a feeling its going to. Altman has a knack for pulling rabbits out of hats and making moves nobody saw coming at the very end.

Like how we got JA, Rubio and Lauri. Nobody knew the Cavs were targeting those 3 guys.

[mcfly1204]

The East is wide open, the closer we get to the deadline, the more I am thinking why not make a splashy move?

[JonFromVA]

The East is wide open, the closer we get to the deadline, the more I am thinking why not make a splashy move?

That's been my contention, that there's a potential window for us to get out of the East this year and who knows what superteam will form or arise in the future to get in our way; but it has to be the right move. Otherwise a non-splashy move may suffice to shore up our lack of a secondary ball-handler/scorer/creator. If we're going to re-sign Sexton, then a buyout or expiring player could serve as a stop-gap in that role.

C'mon Koby, go find this team's Flip Murray.

[Revenged25]

The East is wide open, the closer we get to the deadline, the more I am thinking why not make a splashy move?

That's been my contention, that there's a potential window for us to get out of the East this year and who knows what superteam will form or arise in the future to get in our way; but it has to be the right move. Otherwise a non-splashy move may suffice to shore up our lack of a secondary ball-handler/scorer/creator. If we're going to re-sign Sexton, then a buyout or expiring player could serve as a stop-gap in that role.

C'mon Koby, go find this team's Flip Murray.

There's a difference between making a move for a player that won't significantly improve the Cavs likely playoff situation and making a move for a player that will. If the trade is for someone like LeVert, CJ, etc then they might as well just stand pat as it won't make a huge difference in the outcome of their season and will probably be more expensive options in the long run than what they would've traded away. Now if the trade is for someone like BI, Brown, etc then that's a different story.

Honestly I'd rather the Cavs hold off this year, get the playoff experience for Garland/Mobley/Okoro etc and then resign Rubio & Sexton to contracts that would still be cheaper/the same combined as someone like CJ. Cavs still get what they lacked this season after injuries but on a cheaper more long term sustainable situation and would still have those assets on better contracts for matching purposes if they so choose to.

[toooskies]

The East is wide open, the closer we get to the deadline, the more I am thinking why not make a splashy move?

That's been my contention, that there's a potential window for us to get out of the East this year and who knows what superteam will form or arise in the future to get in our way; but it has to be the right move. Otherwise a non-splashy move may suffice to shore up our lack of a secondary ball-handler/scorer/creator. If we're going to re-sign Sexton, then a buyout or expiring player could serve as a stop-gap in that role.

C'mon Koby, go find this team's Flip Murray.

There's a difference between making a move for a player that won't significantly improve the Cavs likely playoff situation and making a move for a player that will. If the trade is for someone like LeVert, CJ, etc then they might as well just stand pat as it won't make a huge difference in the outcome of their season and will probably be more expensive options in the long run than what they would've traded away. Now if the trade is for someone like BI, Brown, etc then that's a different story.

Honestly I'd rather the Cavs hold off this year, get the playoff experience for Garland/Mobley/Okoro etc and then resign Rubio & Sexton to contracts that would still be cheaper/the same combined as someone like CJ. Cavs still get what they lacked this season after injuries but on a cheaper more long term sustainable situation and would still have those assets on better contracts for matching purposes if they so choose to.

I guess I think the gap between CJ and Sexton is much bigger than you do. But the east is close enough that if the Cavs end up with a 3-6 seed, they're probably losing in the first round. We already know we don't want any part of the Bucks, Nets, Heat or Bulls at full strength, and probably not the Sixers either if they add a Simmons trade piece. Not much experience gained there.

[sisibilio]

Hernangomez x Davis + Rockets? Spurs? 2nd - have those any protection?

Anfernee Simons x Windler + Cavs 1st - that means Sexton would be gone unless someone goes mad and offers Simons 25+/year

= shempienship