Kyrie asked to be traded (UPDATED)

[jbk1234]

Starting to sound like this might be more than just a difference of opinion:

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[HoopsMalone]

Uh.

Doncic is absolutely "remotely close". I'd trade Irving for Doncic in a heartbeat.

[chris4celts]

Celtic fan here who wants Irving badly. That said, I also would be happy to get that Nets pick back. I can live with whatever the result is here, and certainly do not want to add any assets of significance.

Why did PG, JB, etc. fetch such a poor return? The primary reason is that no-one is beating the Warriors for the next 3-4 years. Same reason applies here and it's the reason why no other offers with great young prospects have emerged. Celtics could have the Big 3 of the Future in Brown, Tatum, and Bagley/Porter/Ayton, etc. Kyrie is probably the best player, but he'll be 29 by the time the title window is remotely open again.

[jbk1234]

Celtic fan here who wants Irving badly. That said, I also would be happy to get that Nets pick back. I can live with whatever the result is here, and certainly do not want to add any assets of significance.

Why did PG, JB, etc. fetch such a poor return? The primary reason is that no-one is beating the Warriors for the next 3-4 years. Same reason applies here and it's the reason why no other offers with great young prospects have emerged. Celtics could have the Big 3 of the Future in Brown, Tatum, and Bagley/Porter/Ayton, etc. Kyrie is probably the best player, but he'll be 29 by the time the title window is remotely open again.

So IT's age then?

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What comes through in this article loud and clear is that the Celtics are nervous. The way Celtics are acting about IT's health just reeks of the lady doth protest too much:

Whether the Celtics agree to send over one of their lesser picks, such as their lottery protected 2019 first-rounder from the Clippers, remains unclear.

Floating unsolicited offers like this through the Boston media is not the response of an organization whose hands are entirely clean.

[jbk1234]

Kyrie requested a trade around mid July. It became public around July 24th. Two days later this article ran:

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I'm going to leave this here as a public service announcement: Woj & *league sources* means agents.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Funny that Woj is the one breaking this whole story, but you only question how reliable he is when the wind's blowing against Cleveland..

Boston's not nervous at all, and it tells you how absurd the Cavs are if they've "lowered" their demand from Tatum/Brown to a late first-round or second-round pick.

[jbk1234]

Funny that Woj is the one breaking this whole story, but you only question how reliable he is when the wind's blowing against Cleveland..

Boston's not nervous at all, and it tells you how absurd the Cavs are if they've "lowered" their demand from Tatum/Brown to a late first-round or second-round pick.

Actually, if you check the Celtics forum I found the notion that the Cavs also wanted Tatum or Brown (after the physical) to be far fetched. Cleveland PD also had multiple sources deny that as well. It's best for both fan bases to remember that almost all of Woj's sources are agents and they have their own agendas. It wouldn't shock me at all if Klutch tried to use Woj to blow up the deal and IT's agent is attempting to use him to put it back together.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Funny that Woj is the one breaking this whole story, but you only question how reliable he is when the wind's blowing against Cleveland..

Boston's not nervous at all, and it tells you how absurd the Cavs are if they've "lowered" their demand from Tatum/Brown to a late first-round or second-round pick.

Actually, if you check the Celtics forum I found the notion that the Cavs also wanted Tatum or Brown (after the physical) to be far fetched. Cleveland PD also had multiple sources deny that as well. It's best for both fan bases to remember that almost all of Woj's sources are agents and they have their own agendas. It wouldn't shock me at all if Klutch tried to use Woj to blow up the deal and IT's agent is attempting to use him to put it back together.

Wouldn't be surprised if the sabotage came from an agent, either. I can understand having hesitation on seeing a different prognosis, but disagreeing about how much rehab a player needs is a standard margin of error - teams and players disagree all the time, sometimes a guy recovers faster than expected, sometimes more slowly. They might get a second-round pick out of that difference, but even that's a stretch. Boston got a 2nd for the Jeff Green trade with OKC, where Green turned out to have a life-threatening heart problem that required surgery and could have ended his career, when it was determined OKC didn't share some information from a cardiologist.

Woj calls Dr. Kelly, mentioned here, "one of the most renowned... in the world."

He has been consulting with renowned hip specialist Dr. Bryan Kelly of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York.

"He told me, 'I have seen hips worse than yours with guys who played at a high level and had great careers,'" Thomas told ESPN. "At the moment, yes, I am injured, but I have made progress from May."

[jbk1234]

Funny that Woj is the one breaking this whole story, but you only question how reliable he is when the wind's blowing against Cleveland..

Boston's not nervous at all, and it tells you how absurd the Cavs are if they've "lowered" their demand from Tatum/Brown to a late first-round or second-round pick.

Actually, if you check the Celtics forum I found the notion that the Cavs also wanted Tatum or Brown (after the physical) to be far fetched. Cleveland PD also had multiple sources deny that as well. It's best for both fan bases to remember that almost all of Woj's sources are agents and they have their own agendas. It wouldn't shock me at all if Klutch tried to use Woj to blow up the deal and IT's agent is attempting to use him to put it back together.

Wouldn't be surprised if the sabotage came from an agent, either. I can understand having hesitation on seeing a different prognosis, but disagreeing about how much rehab a player needs is a standard margin of error - teams and players disagree all the time, sometimes a guy recovers faster than expected, sometimes more slowly. They might get a second-round pick out of that difference, but even that's a stretch. Boston got a 2nd for the Jeff Green trade with OKC, where Green turned out to have a life-threatening heart problem that required surgery and could have ended his career, when it was determined OKC didn't share some information from a cardiologist.

Woj calls Dr. Kelly, mentioned here, "one of the most renowned... in the world."

He has been consulting with renowned hip specialist Dr. Bryan Kelly of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York.

"He told me, 'I have seen hips worse than yours with guys who played at a high level and had great careers,'" Thomas told ESPN. "At the moment, yes, I am injured, but I have made progress from May."

My issue/concern is that I still haven't seen anyone from the Cleveland media confirm Woj's story from tonight. In fact, Cleveland media has had nothing on this story - outside of opinion pieces the entire time. I'm just not sure the Cavs are okay with the trade yet. Luckily for all of us, it will be over one way or another w/n 48 hours.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Uh.

Doncic is absolutely "remotely close". I'd trade Irving for Doncic in a heartbeat.

Yeah, bad take from Kyler. Maybe he means no one is close to having Irving's impact as a rookie or sophomore, like Wiggins/Towns stats...?

But the BKN 18 is the star of the trade - IT is a short-term bandaid, to help the Cavs tread water while they get a future pick. Once everyone in Boston got over the idea that Irving was overrated and that Thomas was just as good (he was effectively comparable, in efficiency/point production, but Irving has more than he's been able to show in Cleveland), the big loss is a probable top 5 pick - Doncic, Ayton, Porter, Bagley are all really good and have the size to impact the game where Kyrie can't.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Actually, if you check the Celtics forum I found the notion that the Cavs also wanted Tatum or Brown (after the physical) to be far fetched. Cleveland PD also had multiple sources deny that as well. It's best for both fan bases to remember that almost all of Woj's sources are agents and they have their own agendas. It wouldn't shock me at all if Klutch tried to use Woj to blow up the deal and IT's agent is attempting to use him to put it back together.

Wouldn't be surprised if the sabotage came from an agent, either. I can understand having hesitation on seeing a different prognosis, but disagreeing about how much rehab a player needs is a standard margin of error - teams and players disagree all the time, sometimes a guy recovers faster than expected, sometimes more slowly. They might get a second-round pick out of that difference, but even that's a stretch. Boston got a 2nd for the Jeff Green trade with OKC, where Green turned out to have a life-threatening heart problem that required surgery and could have ended his career, when it was determined OKC didn't share some information from a cardiologist.

Woj calls Dr. Kelly, mentioned here, "one of the most renowned... in the world."

He has been consulting with renowned hip specialist Dr. Bryan Kelly of the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York.

"He told me, 'I have seen hips worse than yours with guys who played at a high level and had great careers,'" Thomas told ESPN. "At the moment, yes, I am injured, but I have made progress from May."

My issue/concern is that I still haven't seen anyone from the Cleveland media confirm Woj's story from tonight. In fact, Cleveland media has had nothing on this story - outside of opinion pieces the entire time. I'm just not sure the Cavs are okay with the trade yet. Luckily for all of us, it will be over one way or another w/n 48 hours.

It's possible Woj was leaked an exaggerated version of Cleveland's anxiety, no one with the Cavs wanted the story to get out while they decided what to say to Boston - maybe they internally floated the idea of asking for Tatum again and dismissed it - and that no one in the local media has anything to run because Cleveland's FO is trying to be on lockdown.

[jbk1234]

Wouldn't be surprised if the sabotage came from an agent, either. I can understand having hesitation on seeing a different prognosis, but disagreeing about how much rehab a player needs is a standard margin of error - teams and players disagree all the time, sometimes a guy recovers faster than expected, sometimes more slowly. They might get a second-round pick out of that difference, but even that's a stretch. Boston got a 2nd for the Jeff Green trade with OKC, where Green turned out to have a life-threatening heart problem that required surgery and could have ended his career, when it was determined OKC didn't share some information from a cardiologist.

Woj calls Dr. Kelly, mentioned here, "one of the most renowned... in the world."

My issue/concern is that I still haven't seen anyone from the Cleveland media confirm Woj's story from tonight. In fact, Cleveland media has had nothing on this story - outside of opinion pieces the entire time. I'm just not sure the Cavs are okay with the trade yet. Luckily for all of us, it will be over one way or another w/n 48 hours.

It's possible Woj was leaked an exaggerated version of Cleveland's anxiety, no one with the Cavs wanted the story to get out while they decided what to say to Boston - maybe they internally floated the idea of asking for Tatum again and dismissed it - and that no one in the local media has anything to run because Cleveland's FO is trying to be on lockdown.

If I had to bet that came from Klutch who represents both Bledsoe & LBJ. I just don't think Woj has developed good F.O. sources. Particularly in mid markets. Sham's first big story was the Cavs/Bulls trade involving Deng.

[Andrew McCeltic]

My issue/concern is that I still haven't seen anyone from the Cleveland media confirm Woj's story from tonight. In fact, Cleveland media has had nothing on this story - outside of opinion pieces the entire time. I'm just not sure the Cavs are okay with the trade yet. Luckily for all of us, it will be over one way or another w/n 48 hours.

It's possible Woj was leaked an exaggerated version of Cleveland's anxiety, no one with the Cavs wanted the story to get out while they decided what to say to Boston - maybe they internally floated the idea of asking for Tatum again and dismissed it - and that no one in the local media has anything to run because Cleveland's FO is trying to be on lockdown.

If I had to bet that came from Klutch who represents both Bledsoe & LBJ. I just don't think Woj has developed good F.O. sources. Particularly in mid markets. Sham's first big story was the Cavs/Bulls trade involving Deng.

Yeah, I know Rich Paul has Bledsoe.. It would make sense. Shows how high-stakes these deals are that even the slightest hesitation swings the needle between "deal's off", "add Tatum", and "just a late first-rounder."

[jbk1234]

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For whatever it's worth, Mat Moore love Brogdon:

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He's higher on the kid than I am but he's got some interesting arguments.

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