Trade Ideas

[JonFromVA]

I think if you trade for CJ, you trade for CJ and RoCo and Love absolutely has to go out attached to either Rubio or Cedi. Lauri and Okoro get moved to the second unit. RoCo and CJ start. But I don't see CJ starting next to either Lauri or Okoro.

I dont see why Love has to be involved. The Blazers wouldnt want him anyways if the whole purpose of trading CJ is to start a rebuild--they dont need a cap space hog veteran on their roster like Love into next year since they would also likely be trading away Lillard in this scenario. Rubio, yes because of his expiring but not Love.

This is where a 3rd team would be attached to help match salaries to make up that salary gap between Rubio/Sexton and McCollum. Somebody like the Knicks with Fournier to open up space for Reddish.

Okay, regardless of how many teams you involve, the Cavs have to send out as much salary as they take back for the trade to be legal (technically they can take back 125% of what they send out but that would put them into the tax which would be dumb IMO). CJ alone makes $30.8M. If you include RoCo's expiring, and you should if CJ is going to start here, you're looking at just under $44M in salary you have to send out.

Rubio makes $17.8M. So if you don't send Love, you have to send out Cedi and Sexton just to trade for CJ and stay under the tax, maybe Cedi and Rubio is technically legal, but you really do need another move so you stay out of the tax. Now you could send Sexton to OKC, who could send an asset back to Portland and everyone stays out of the tax, but that's the only other real alternative. But in this scenario you're not getting RoCo, and if you're not getting RoCo as well, I really do question CJ's fit alongside Garland and our current options at the 3.

Unless they're idiots, the Blazers would clearly prefer Love, who plays a position of need for them and has one remaining on his deal, to the three additional years Fournier, who plays their deepest position. No one wants Fournier on that contract right now. The Blazers essentially break even this season, save $4M next year, and save $35M in CJ"s final year by swapping Love for CJ.

If Portland was willing to trade CJ for just Rubio and Osman, I'd just let Dan pay the tax and go from there; but I'm presuming they actually wants assets in trade - regardless of whether they're going in to a rebuild, or just restructuring around Dame.

[jbk1234]

I dont see why Love has to be involved. The Blazers wouldnt want him anyways if the whole purpose of trading CJ is to start a rebuild--they dont need a cap space hog veteran on their roster like Love into next year since they would also likely be trading away Lillard in this scenario. Rubio, yes because of his expiring but not Love.

This is where a 3rd team would be attached to help match salaries to make up that salary gap between Rubio/Sexton and McCollum. Somebody like the Knicks with Fournier to open up space for Reddish.

Okay, regardless of how many teams you involve, the Cavs have to send out as much salary as they take back for the trade to be legal (technically they can take back 125% of what they send out but that would put them into the tax which would be dumb IMO). CJ alone makes $30.8M. If you include RoCo's expiring, and you should if CJ is going to start here, you're looking at just under $44M in salary you have to send out.

Rubio makes $17.8M. So if you don't send Love, you have to send out Cedi and Sexton just to trade for CJ and stay under the tax, maybe Cedi and Rubio is technically legal, but you really do need another move so you stay out of the tax. Now you could send Sexton to OKC, who could send an asset back to Portland and everyone stays out of the tax, but that's the only other real alternative. But in this scenario you're not getting RoCo, and if you're not getting RoCo as well, I really do question CJ's fit alongside Garland and our current options at the 3.

Unless they're idiots, the Blazers would clearly prefer Love, who plays a position of need for them and has one remaining on his deal, to the three additional years Fournier, who plays their deepest position. No one wants Fournier on that contract right now. The Blazers essentially break even this season, save $4M next year, and save $35M in CJ"s final year by swapping Love for CJ.

If Portland was willing to trade CJ for just Rubio and Osman, I'd just let Dan pay the tax and go from there; but I'm presuming they actually wants assets in trade - regardless of whether they're going in to a rebuild, or just restructuring around Dame.

I think starting the repeater tax this year would be ill-advised. If RoCo is coming back with CJ, Lauri's moving to the bench anyway. I don't see a scenario where we trade for CJ and retain Sexton. Sexton will be gone one way or another. Better to get out in front of it.

Again, I'm only luke warm on all of this, but if you're going to trade for a guy who's CJ age, and who's on a contract like his, then you need to have a plan as to how it's going to work, and it's better if you get done what you'll need to get done all in one trade. You don't trade for a guy like CJ with the hopes of figuring out later. Trading for him is a commitment that you're comfortable making and not just for this season. You should be clear about how you envision him fitting into, and improving your team. If you're not, don't trade for him.

[JonFromVA]

Okay, regardless of how many teams you involve, the Cavs have to send out as much salary as they take back for the trade to be legal (technically they can take back 125% of what they send out but that would put them into the tax which would be dumb IMO). CJ alone makes $30.8M. If you include RoCo's expiring, and you should if CJ is going to start here, you're looking at just under $44M in salary you have to send out.

Rubio makes $17.8M. So if you don't send Love, you have to send out Cedi and Sexton just to trade for CJ and stay under the tax, maybe Cedi and Rubio is technically legal, but you really do need another move so you stay out of the tax. Now you could send Sexton to OKC, who could send an asset back to Portland and everyone stays out of the tax, but that's the only other real alternative. But in this scenario you're not getting RoCo, and if you're not getting RoCo as well, I really do question CJ's fit alongside Garland and our current options at the 3.

Unless they're idiots, the Blazers would clearly prefer Love, who plays a position of need for them and has one remaining on his deal, to the three additional years Fournier, who plays their deepest position. No one wants Fournier on that contract right now. The Blazers essentially break even this season, save $4M next year, and save $35M in CJ"s final year by swapping Love for CJ.

If Portland was willing to trade CJ for just Rubio and Osman, I'd just let Dan pay the tax and go from there; but I'm presuming they actually wants assets in trade - regardless of whether they're going in to a rebuild, or just restructuring around Dame.

I think starting the repeater tax this year would be ill-advised. If RoCo is coming back with CJ, Lauri's moving to the bench anyway. I don't see a scenario where we trade for CJ and retain Sexton. Sexton will be gone one way or another. Better to get out in front of it.

Again, I'm only luke warm on all of this, but if you're going to trade for a guy who's CJ age, and who's on a contract like his, then you need to have a plan as to how it's going to work, and it's better if you get done what you'll need to get done all in one trade. You don't trade for a guy like CJ with the hopes of figuring out later. Trading for him is a commitment that you're comfortable making and not just for this season. You should be clear about how you envision him fitting into, and improving your team. If you're not, don't trade for him.

In CJ's case? It would just be trading money for talent, which is Gilbert's go to move. There's no rush to sort it out, and nothing more needs to be done other than say "Hey, JB, look what we found! Someone who can dribble, score, and shoot so you can push some of the other guys back in the rotation".

Nah, the problem IMO is Portland won't give him away like that and if we have to commit our rebuild to a path centered around this move ... well, that's what triggers everything you're concerned about.

So, in reality you're right, but in my hypothetical bubble - you're not.

[jbk1234]

If Portland was willing to trade CJ for just Rubio and Osman, I'd just let Dan pay the tax and go from there; but I'm presuming they actually wants assets in trade - regardless of whether they're going in to a rebuild, or just restructuring around Dame.

I think starting the repeater tax this year would be ill-advised. If RoCo is coming back with CJ, Lauri's moving to the bench anyway. I don't see a scenario where we trade for CJ and retain Sexton. Sexton will be gone one way or another. Better to get out in front of it.

Again, I'm only luke warm on all of this, but if you're going to trade for a guy who's CJ age, and who's on a contract like his, then you need to have a plan as to how it's going to work, and it's better if you get done what you'll need to get done all in one trade. You don't trade for a guy like CJ with the hopes of figuring out later. Trading for him is a commitment that you're comfortable making and not just for this season. You should be clear about how you envision him fitting into, and improving your team. If you're not, don't trade for him.

In CJ's case? It would just be trading money for talent, which is Gilbert's go to move. There's no rush to sort it out, and nothing more needs to be done other than say "Hey, JB, look what we found! Someone who can dribble, score, and shoot so you can push some of the other guys back in the rotation".

Nah, the problem IMO is Portland won't give him away like that and if we have to commit our rebuild to a path centered around this move ... well, that's what triggers everything you're concerned about.

So, in reality you're right, but in my hypothetical bubble - you're not.

The Cavs have a financial window in terms of cap room while they have three starters on rookie contracts. They're not in a position to trade for contracts like CJ, for players CJ's age, without having an idea as to how it's going to work unless they want to slam shut that window. We're leaving a rebuild, not entering one. The Lakers made a trade where they just added talent without giving a second thought to fit last summer. How's that working out?

Not for nothing, but I find the *it's just Gilbert's money* refrain to be incredibly inaccurate, to the point of being risible. This isn't MLB. There are real consequences for teams that manage their cap space poorly. Dallas and Luka are starting to look like the first go around of the Cavs and LBJ.

[JonFromVA]

I think starting the repeater tax this year would be ill-advised. If RoCo is coming back with CJ, Lauri's moving to the bench anyway. I don't see a scenario where we trade for CJ and retain Sexton. Sexton will be gone one way or another. Better to get out in front of it.

Again, I'm only luke warm on all of this, but if you're going to trade for a guy who's CJ age, and who's on a contract like his, then you need to have a plan as to how it's going to work, and it's better if you get done what you'll need to get done all in one trade. You don't trade for a guy like CJ with the hopes of figuring out later. Trading for him is a commitment that you're comfortable making and not just for this season. You should be clear about how you envision him fitting into, and improving your team. If you're not, don't trade for him.

In CJ's case? It would just be trading money for talent, which is Gilbert's go to move. There's no rush to sort it out, and nothing more needs to be done other than say "Hey, JB, look what we found! Someone who can dribble, score, and shoot so you can push some of the other guys back in the rotation".

Nah, the problem IMO is Portland won't give him away like that and if we have to commit our rebuild to a path centered around this move ... well, that's what triggers everything you're concerned about.

So, in reality you're right, but in my hypothetical bubble - you're not.

The Cavs have a financial window in terms of cap room while they have three starters on rookie contracts. They're not in a position to trade for contracts like CJ, for players CJ's age, without having an idea as to how it's going to work unless they want to slam shut that window. We're leaving a rebuild, not entering one. The Lakers made a trade where they just added talent without giving a second thought to fit last summer. How's that working out?

Not for nothing, but I find the *it's just Gilbert's money* refrain to be incredibly inaccurate, to the point of being risible. This isn't MLB. There are real consequences for teams that manage their cap space poorly. Dallas and Luka are starting to look like the first go around of the Cavs and LBJ.

Until you can actualize what you mean by "window" in terms of some opportunity gained/lost, it's just words. The first go round of the Cavs had their big free-agent splurge and it was such a disaster we made it to our first finals ever. Then Ferry pulled off a deal supposedly involving untradeable contracts such as Hughes and Wallace and we were rewarded with the greatest Cavs regular season ever. If we didn't sign Hughes, Marshall, and Jones the cap space simply would have been absorbed by current players.

I mean, if you think CJ is a negative contract or something, I'd be glad to take some picks back from Portland.

It's probably also time you showed some faith in Altman, because the members of this board aren't going to trade for CJ. If it happens it's going to be Altman who does it and he will have considered the future implications. CJ in this dicussion is kind of a place-holder for the type of deal that might make sense to him, but have no doubt he has a green light to go in to the luxury tax for a significant player.

[jbk1234]

In CJ's case? It would just be trading money for talent, which is Gilbert's go to move. There's no rush to sort it out, and nothing more needs to be done other than say "Hey, JB, look what we found! Someone who can dribble, score, and shoot so you can push some of the other guys back in the rotation".

Nah, the problem IMO is Portland won't give him away like that and if we have to commit our rebuild to a path centered around this move ... well, that's what triggers everything you're concerned about.

So, in reality you're right, but in my hypothetical bubble - you're not.

The Cavs have a financial window in terms of cap room while they have three starters on rookie contracts. They're not in a position to trade for contracts like CJ, for players CJ's age, without having an idea as to how it's going to work unless they want to slam shut that window. We're leaving a rebuild, not entering one. The Lakers made a trade where they just added talent without giving a second thought to fit last summer. How's that working out?

Not for nothing, but I find the *it's just Gilbert's money* refrain to be incredibly inaccurate, to the point of being risible. This isn't MLB. There are real consequences for teams that manage their cap space poorly. Dallas and Luka are starting to look like the first go around of the Cavs and LBJ.

Until you can actualize what you mean by "window" in terms of some opportunity gained/lost, it's just words. The first go round of the Cavs had their big free-agent splurge and it was such a disaster we made it to our first finals ever. Then Ferry pulled off a deal supposedly involving untradeable contracts such as Hughes and Wallace and we were rewarded with the greatest Cavs regular season ever. If we didn't sign Hughes, Marshall, and Jones the cap space simply would have been absorbed by current players.

I mean, if you think CJ is a negative contract or something, I'd be glad to take some picks back from Portland.

It's probably also time you showed some faith in Altman, because the members of this board aren't going to trade for CJ. If it happens it's going to be Altman who does it and he will have considered the future implications. CJ in this dicussion is kind of a place-holder for the type of deal that might make sense to him, but have no doubt he has a green light to go in to the luxury tax for a significant player.

Well, Allen's not on the roster now if we don't have the in-season cap space to swap Exum for Prince. Lauri's not on the roster if we don't have enough space below the tax line to swap Nance's contract for Lauri's deal. So if you're asking me to account for all the opportunities that might present themselves, I can't answer. But flexibility in and of itself is valuable and winning teams, especially younger up and coming teams, regardless of locations, are F.A. destinations in the current NBA.

I think CJ's market is limited due to his age and contract. I think his fit is questionable if RoCo isn't coming over with him. I think Love needs to go out if you make that trade.

In terms of in Altman we trust, this is a discussion board, and talking about what we think the Cavs should do is kind of its primary function. But, I'll note that the extension offer to Drummond, followed up by the extension offer to Sexton, do have me questioning whether the F.O. has a good handle on what market value is league wide. Twice, they've dodged bullets on that front.

[LivingLegend]

I dont see why Love has to be involved. The Blazers wouldnt want him anyways if the whole purpose of trading CJ is to start a rebuild--they dont need a cap space hog veteran on their roster like Love into next year since they would also likely be trading away Lillard in this scenario. Rubio, yes because of his expiring but not Love.

This is where a 3rd team would be attached to help match salaries to make up that salary gap between Rubio/Sexton and McCollum. Somebody like the Knicks with Fournier to open up space for Reddish.

Okay, regardless of how many teams you involve, the Cavs have to send out as much salary as they take back for the trade to be legal (technically they can take back 125% of what they send out but that would put them into the tax which would be dumb IMO). CJ alone makes $30.8M. If you include RoCo's expiring, and you should if CJ is going to start here, you're looking at just under $44M in salary you have to send out.

Rubio makes $17.8M. So if you don't send Love, you have to send out Cedi and Sexton just to trade for CJ and stay under the tax, maybe Cedi and Rubio is technically legal, but you really do need another move so you stay out of the tax. Now you could send Sexton to OKC, who could send an asset back to Portland and everyone stays out of the tax, but that's the only other real alternative. But in this scenario you're not getting RoCo, and if you're not getting RoCo as well, I really do question CJ's fit alongside Garland and our current options at the 3.

Unless they're idiots, the Blazers would clearly prefer Love, who plays a position of need for them and has one remaining on his deal, to the three additional years Fournier, who plays their deepest position. No one wants Fournier on that contract right now. The Blazers essentially break even this season, save $4M next year, and save $35M in CJ"s final year by swapping Love for CJ.

If Portland was willing to trade CJ for just Rubio and Osman, I'd just let Dan pay the tax and go from there; but I'm presuming they actually wants assets in trade - regardless of whether they're going in to a rebuild, or just restructuring around Dame.

Dame is as good as gone and if this season is any indication, the Blazers would be silly to not take this moment to sell off all assets while they still have max value and start a rebuild.

For instance, they could easily trade Dame for Simmons + draft picks. They could do some cap gymnastics and trade CJ to CLE and get Sexton + draft picks in return.

They can do something like that where they basically swap Dame/McCollum for Simmons/Sexton + picks and have a easy rebuild with a new young core---oooooooor they could wait until this Dame bomb blows up in their face and they get negative value. i dont see the purpose of holding onto Dame past this year. They had chances to make a contender and swung + missed 5 different times with roster construction. Time to move on.

I think CJ to Cleveland stands about a 5% chance of happening, but this is just taking the shoe and putting it on the other foot from the Blazers perspective.

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs have a financial window in terms of cap room while they have three starters on rookie contracts. They're not in a position to trade for contracts like CJ, for players CJ's age, without having an idea as to how it's going to work unless they want to slam shut that window. We're leaving a rebuild, not entering one. The Lakers made a trade where they just added talent without giving a second thought to fit last summer. How's that working out?

Not for nothing, but I find the *it's just Gilbert's money* refrain to be incredibly inaccurate, to the point of being risible. This isn't MLB. There are real consequences for teams that manage their cap space poorly. Dallas and Luka are starting to look like the first go around of the Cavs and LBJ.

Until you can actualize what you mean by "window" in terms of some opportunity gained/lost, it's just words. The first go round of the Cavs had their big free-agent splurge and it was such a disaster we made it to our first finals ever. Then Ferry pulled off a deal supposedly involving untradeable contracts such as Hughes and Wallace and we were rewarded with the greatest Cavs regular season ever. If we didn't sign Hughes, Marshall, and Jones the cap space simply would have been absorbed by current players.

I mean, if you think CJ is a negative contract or something, I'd be glad to take some picks back from Portland.

It's probably also time you showed some faith in Altman, because the members of this board aren't going to trade for CJ. If it happens it's going to be Altman who does it and he will have considered the future implications. CJ in this dicussion is kind of a place-holder for the type of deal that might make sense to him, but have no doubt he has a green light to go in to the luxury tax for a significant player.

Well, Allen's not on the roster now if we don't have the in-season cap space to swap Exum for Prince. Lauri's not on the roster if we don't have enough space below the tax line to swap Nance's contract for Lauri's deal. So if you're asking me to account for all the opportunities that might present themselves, I can't answer. But flexibility in and of itself is valuable and winning teams, especially younger up and coming teams, regardless of locations, are F.A. destinations in the current NBA.

I think CJ's market is limited due to his age and contract. I think his fit is questionable if RoCo isn't coming over with him. I think Love needs to go out if you make that trade.

In terms of in Altman we trust, this is a discussion board, and talking about what we think the Cavs should do is kind of its primary function. But, I'll note that the extension offer to Drummond, followed up by the extension offer to Sexton, do have me questioning whether the F.O. has a good handle on what market value is league wide. Twice, they've dodged bullets on that front.

Its even easier to do deals in the tax if we have players on the roster with some trade value and our picks. For years we heard Love had negative value, but finally he he's contributing and no, we don't have to move him. More depth. More firepower is what we want.

As for Sexton and Drummond not accepting offers, I'm not sure how that means Altman valued them wrong rather than demonstrating that he's willing to walk away.

Finally, yes, its a discussion board but I think those of us left here have enough humility to admit we don't get everything right and the guy who's doing this for a living has gotten enough things right inspite of our protestations to earn some benefit of the doubt.

Fact is Koby's actual deals are rarely the ones being talked about, and aren't always appreciated when they go down. How many times have we tried to explain that drafting Garland was a necessity? We could deep dive some obscure player like Kenrich Williams, but it'd be silly. He's just one example I've brought up from the sea of possibilities.

The real fun starts when the deadline passes....

[JonFromVA]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

[jbk1234]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

The Cavs announced got a DPE on Rubio today. I wasn't even aware they applied for one.

[JonFromVA]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

The Cavs announced got a DPE on Rubio today. I wasn't even aware they applied for one.

Yeah, I think the deadline passed without confirmation, but it was expected because if they feel like it they can use the DPE and then uses Rubio's contract if they really want to bring in a lot of salary. I think they have another TPE from McGee?

Just more confirmation the Cavs will increase payroll in to the luxury tax if a deal makes it worth our while.

[jbk1234]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

The Cavs announced got a DPE on Rubio today. I wasn't even aware they applied for one.

Yeah, I think the deadline passed without confirmation, but it was expected because if they feel like it they can use the DPE and then uses Rubio's contract if they really want to bring in a lot of salary. I think they have another TPE from McGee?

Just more confirmation the Cavs will increase payroll in to the luxury tax if a deal makes it worth our while.

I didn't think you do both.

[toooskies]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

The Cavs announced got a DPE on Rubio today. I wasn't even aware they applied for one.

Yeah, I think the deadline passed without confirmation, but it was expected because if they feel like it they can use the DPE and then uses Rubio's contract if they really want to bring in a lot of salary. I think they have another TPE from McGee?

Just more confirmation the Cavs will increase payroll in to the luxury tax if a deal makes it worth our while.

Well, it's not necessarily only useful for that. If the Cavs traded Sexton for Dennis Schroder (as an example), they could put Schroder into the DPE and gain a full TPE for Sexton's contract. It's worth having if the right situation presents itself to take advantage of it.

Also lets them bid up pretty high on the buyout market. For instance, Cavs send Osman to OKC's space with a 2nd, generating a TPE for Osman; the Rockets, now seeing a destination where Wall can get paid some portion of his contract, come to agreement on a buyout with Wall; Cavs sign Wall into the DPE for the rest of the year. Cavs effectively trade Osman and a 2nd for Wall (on a one-year deal) and a TPE without losing Rubio's Bird rights.

Both just examples of how the DPE might be used that don't actually involve the Cavs spending into the tax.

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs announced got a DPE on Rubio today. I wasn't even aware they applied for one.

Yeah, I think the deadline passed without confirmation, but it was expected because if they feel like it they can use the DPE and then uses Rubio's contract if they really want to bring in a lot of salary. I think they have another TPE from McGee?

Just more confirmation the Cavs will increase payroll in to the luxury tax if a deal makes it worth our while.

I didn't think you do both.

It's a fuzzy area, but my impression from what I've read is that we can as long as we use the DPE first. As I understand it, a player we acquire with the DPE can't be signed beyond this season, so that limits the cap damage.

[KuruptedCav]

Yeah, I think the deadline passed without confirmation, but it was expected because if they feel like it they can use the DPE and then uses Rubio's contract if they really want to bring in a lot of salary. I think they have another TPE from McGee?

Just more confirmation the Cavs will increase payroll in to the luxury tax if a deal makes it worth our while.

I didn't think you do both.

It's a fuzzy area, but my impression from what I've read is that we can as long as we use the DPE first. As I understand it, a player we acquire with the DPE can't be signed beyond this season, so that limits the cap damage.

Spot on. If the player is traded before the DPE is used, it expires immediately. Using the DPE does not reduce the player salary for inclusion in trades.


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[LivingLegend]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

[toooskies]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

[LivingLegend]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

lol we are really scraping the bottom of the barrel arnt we if that dude is considered a ideal trade target.

Shoot, if thats the market are people lining up to give us 3 firsts for Dean Wade?

[JonFromVA]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

Nobody is obsessed with him, but there aren't many productive 3&d players on the market that earn just $2M.

A very bad Thunder team is +16.4 pp100 better when he's on the floor than off, and they were +7.8 last year.

I mean we might trade Rubio's contract and a pick to get Robert Covington who's does similar things (although not as good of a passer), but he's 31, earning $12M/yr, and expiring.

He's basically what we'd hope we could find in the draft with one of our picks, except he's in his prime and ready to contribute to winning now. He doesn't force anyone out of the starting lineup, but can step-in and help our depth at multiple positions.

Forbes actually wrote a piece about him last year:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholascrain/2021/02/11/kenrich-williams-is-becoming-one-of-okc-thunders-most-important-players/?sh=3249822a27ca

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According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

Holiday is pretty solid.