Trade Ideas

[Pula_86]

I think the Cavs would be fools to not attempt to get some assets back if LeBron left. I am not saying that the Cavs take a teams burdensome contracts. Hypothetically, if the Bulls are the destination for LeBron, see if you can package Daniel Gibson's contract and get a Luol Deng, Kirk Heinrich, and some picks in return. By no means am I suggesting that Heinrich or Deng are players to build your franchise around, but they are assets that can be used in future trades.

The Pistons built a championship team around the compensation they got in the Grant Hill trade to Orlando. At the time, the Shaq trade from LA to Miami was lopsided with the Lakers only receiving Lamar Odom and Caron Butler. Still, that trade allowed them to build a championship nucleus. The ultimate success of the franchise rests in the GM's decisions. A good GM can turn a bad team into a championship contender within a couple of years. I think the best GMs swallow their pride and recognize that it is better to get some assets as opposed to no assets in return.

I think there are some attractive trade options out there for the Cavs if they can obtain more trade assets.

[Benedict_Boozer]

Second: With the situation around Turkoglu I actually can see the Cavs being able to get Bosh, if they are willing to take on Turkoglu.

Jamison, West, Moon, Hickson, 1st round pick for Bosh and Turkoglu.

The Raptors basically saving $12m by getting rid of Turkoglu while getting Hickson and the 1st pick for Bosh.

I would make this trade immediately.

Also I agree with those who say blow it up and start over if Lebron walks.

[Gordon Bombay]

I think Bub was thinking more along the lines of somebody saying that either Lebron re-signs or screw him. Meaning no trades period. If that is what he was rsponding to, I get some of what he was saying. I think Gordon was saying what has been discussed so far isnt to his liking at all, and that he would rather see Lebron walk that accept any of these proposals.
So if I am correct in what both these guys are saying, they arent really that for off in that the best case is for Lebron to re-sign obviously, but they differ on one saying get something, the other saying that something isnt good enough, it better be a kings ransom (pun intended) or we are better off blowing this thing up and doing a total rebuild. Which I happen to agree with.
We are all Cavs fans here, and we cant let this get to the point where we are at each others throats. I think we are all a little pissed about this situation, but honestly, this has all been brought about by Lebron himself, it doesnt take anything to re-sign for the max, and if he really wanted to do that the situation here is about the best he can get. Lebron seems to love the attention, and I'm sure the emotions were pretty high after getting upset in the playoffs but this whole situation is on Lebron.
And guys, sorry if I put any words into your mouths, or if I misread your initial posts, just trying to make some sense of why you seemed to be going after each other.

if there are trades out there, then maybe. i just don't see what they would be at this point. maybe a houston for a package centered around brooks, scola and hill. maybe a bynum from la. dallas could be an option if and only if they take on mo and jamison as well. by no means do i want a luol deng or a kirk hinrich from the bulls.

the ideal trade nets us some young pieces on good contracts and some expirings to absorb mo and jamison. if no trade accomplishes that goal, then i'd rather just let him walk

[mysticbb]

dallas could be an option if and only if they take on mo and jamison as well.

They could take on Mo Williams, but I think Cleveland could get a better deal than just expirings + smaller contract for Williams in a deal with someone else. Dallas might be able to just find the 3rd team for the Cavs in that case, but I guess it is better for Cleveland not to involve Mo Williams in a deal like that.

The Cavs have many needs, beginning with a starting center. They also need a point guard, shooting guard and possibly a small forward if LeBron James leaves. If Shaquille O'Neal and Zydrunas Ilgauskas leave via free agency, they might be forced to play J.J. Hickson at center and bring Sasha Kaun over from Russia.

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Well, Dallas can't provide that starting center (I would probably play Vareajo at center in that case anyway), but with Beaubois they would send a combo guard, big enough due to his long arms to play SG and with point guard skills in addition to his scoring abilities. Butler would be the SF.

by no means do i want a luol deng or a kirk hinrich from the bulls.

I understand Hinrich, but Deng is a nice 2nd/3rd option kind of players, and he is the SF Cleveland might looking for. His contract isn't as bad as the most people claim, BUT a deal could be made with the 3rd team like the Clippers who have a need for a defensive minded SF like Deng. Thus Cleveland would only get picks (especially that #17 from this year) and the TPE, maybe James Johnson or Taj Gibson (who isn't needed in the first place with Hickson in Cleveland).

if no trade accomplishes that goal, then i'd rather just let him walk

Well, Cleveland should not make a deal in which they have to take back a bad contract, if they are not getting really good young players and picks too. Still, you should look at the future in that case, not so much about losing James in the first place.

Regarding the value of late 1st round picks:

Indications are the Cavaliers will attempt to purchase a first-round pick. They currently don't have a first- or second-round selection. It will likely take $3 million to do it. Second-rounders last year were selling for $2 million.

[yungal07]

Arenas, McGee for Varejao, Williams.

Looking objectively I can see merit. Still, all the risk is on the Cavalier's end. Arenas really hasn't played in years now, and McGee was logging 16mpg on a bad team.
With Arena's uncertainty and hideous contract he's a negative in this trade. I'm not sure Blatche rather than McGee would even get this done.

No one wants your trash.

[It_Was_Typed]

Cleveland gets: Hamed Haddadi + #28
Memphis gets: Anthony Parker

[Grime_Wizard]

Cleveland gets: Hamed Haddadi + #28
Memphis gets: Anthony Parker

The Cavs have a lot of big men, no way this happens.

[TheOUTLAW]

The Cavs have alot of PF's not many centers. That being said I have no idea if Haddadi has any talent at all.

[heathmalc]

How about this instead:

Portland gets: Varejao & A.P.

Cavs get: Pryzbilla & Bayless

[Triumph36]

How about this instead:

Portland gets: Varejao & A.P.

Cavs get: Pryzbilla & Bayless

Bayless is a SG in a PGs body and can't shoot threes...in other words, he doesn't fit anywhere.

And nobody even knows when Pryzbilla is going to play. Sorry, our front court is bad enough....trading one of the few good players in it for a huge question mark would be an extremely unnecessary risk.

[heathmalc]

Cavs trade Jamison & Hickson to Philly

Philly trades #2 pick & Elton Brand to Minnesota.

Minnesota trades Jefferson & #16 Pick to Cavs.

Why for each team:

Cavs: Cavs get younger & Bigger, plus get a decent 1st rounder.

Philly: 76ers get rid of Brand, get better production from Jamison, plus get a young PF. Save money!

Wolves: Wolves have #2 & #4 picks in draft, to get two very good players. Brand makes same as Jefferson, so $$$ is not affected. Wolves can draft Turner & Cousins/Favors; their dream scenario.

[Pula_86]

Why not just cut out the middle man with Minnesota.

Sixers Gets:
Antawn Jamison
Delonte West

Cavs Get:
Elton Brand (salary dump)
#2 pick (Evan Turner)

Cavs buy #28 pick from Memphis (Soloman Alabi)

Cavs Roster:
PG Maurice Williams/Daniel Gibson/Sebastian Telfair
SG Evan Turner/Anthony Parker
SF LeBron "Quitter" James/Jamario Moon
PF Elton Brand/JJ Hickson/Leon Powe
C Andy Varejao/Soloman Alabi

If LeBron leaves, the Cavs still have their franchise player in Evan Turner. It is a win-win for everybody.

[Triumph36]

Cavs trade Jamison & Hickson to Philly

Philly trades #2 pick & Elton Brand to Minnesota.

Minnesota trades Jefferson & #16 Pick to Cavs.

Why for each team:

Cavs: Cavs get younger & Bigger, plus get a decent 1st rounder.

Philly: 76ers get rid of Brand, get better production from Jamison, plus get a young PF. Save money!

Wolves: Wolves have #2 & #4 picks in draft, to get two very good players. Brand makes same as Jefferson, so $$$ is not affected. Wolves can draft Turner & Cousins/Favors; their dream scenario.

Minnesota would have to send #23 to Philly too, but I still don't think Philly trades #2.

I'd do that trade though. Then send a future second and cash for a late 1st (#28 from Mem?) and try to use Parker/Telfair/West for a SG. Not sure which SGs are available though, Rip and #36 maybe? And finally, use the MLE on Jermaine O'Neal, Brad Miller, or Darko.

That'd leave us with a mix of vets (Rip, MLE if it's Miller/JON), mid 20s players (James, Mo, Jefferson, Varejao), and young players (Boobie, Green, #16, #28, #36).

[Pula_86]

This is a bit of a dream trade scenario, but I don't think it is entirely unrealistic.

CLE-NO-PHI:
Sixers Get:
Delonte West
JJ Hickson
Antawn Jamison
Maurice Peterson (expiring)

Cavs Get:
Peja Stojakovic (Expiring/salary dump)
Elton Brand
Darren Collison
#2 pick

Hornets Get:
Maurice Williams
Anthony Parker
Andre Iguodola

Why Hornets:
Dump Stojakovic's salary and obtain a decent shoter in Mo Williams to replace Stojakovic. The Hornets also get a number 3 in Iguodola who together with Williams is a better fit than Collison who plays the same position as Chris Paul.

Why Sixers:
The Sixers clear Brand's burdensome contract off the books, obtain a solid veteran PG/SG in Delonte West, and have a young PF prospect to replace Brand. After Dalembert comes off the books, the Sixers will have an exciting young team and lots of cap room.

Why Cavs:
Collison is a guy who has the potential to turn into a great superstar. Brand gives them a scoring presence along with Stojakovic although both stars have bad contracts and are aging. The #2 pick allows the Cavs to select Evan Turner and undoubtedly a nucleus to win multiple NBA titles.

Cavs buy #28 pick from Memphis (Solomon Alabi)

Cavs Roster:
PG Darren Collison/Daniel Gibson/Sebastian Telfair
SG Evan Turner/Peja Stojakovic/Christian Eyenga
SF LeBron James/Jamario Moon/Danny Green
PF Elton Brand/Leon Powe
C Andy Varejao/Solomon Alabi

[Triumph36]

^ Philly says absolutely not.

If Philly was willing to do that trade I'd just cut New Orleans out and take Iggy/Brand/#2 (which we could trade down to #3 for Favors) for Cleveland.

[It_Was_Typed]

Cleveland gets: Hamed Haddadi + #28
Memphis gets: Anthony Parker

The Cavs have a lot of big men, no way this happens.

They have a surplus of power forwards in Varejao, Jamison and Hickson. Theyir true centers, Big Z and Shaq are on their last legs.

The Cavs have alot of PF's not many centers. That being said I have no idea if Haddadi has any talent at all.

Haddadi is a decent 15 minute per game back up at this point.

[Gordon Bombay]

Haddadi is a decent 15 minute per game back up at this point.

worth a shot i suppose

[Triumph36]

That Memphis trade isn't necessary if LeBron stays though. Haddadi isn't exactly the Memphis player I was hoping we'd get either

[Smooth32]

Hickson + Moon + Delonte for Maggette + Randolph.

[heathmalc]

Delonte for Beasley????