Fanbase Rookie Approval Rating: Collin Sexton

[jbk1234]

I'm cautiously optimistic due to his age, work ethic, and continued growth in his game. I think he's already better than several players on that list.

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[JonFromVA]

I'm cautiously optimistic due to his age, work ethic, and continued growth in his game. I think he's already better than several players on that list.

Why "cautiously"?

We know Collin is an NBA player (not a bust), we know he could have a long-career as an instant offense sixth man, we know he's just 21.

Every step he takes from here is another rung up the ladder ... heading how high we can't know, but surely higher and likely much higher.

[Stillwater]

I'm cautiously optimistic due to his age, work ethic, and continued growth in his game. I think he's already better than several players on that list.

Why "cautiously"?

We know Collin is an NBA player (not a bust), we know he could have a long-career as an instant offense sixth man, we know he's just 21.

Every step he takes from here is another rung up the ladder ... heading how high we can't know, but surely higher and likely much higher.

I agree I have no doubts and am not at all in the camp that thinks he needs to fit into a role of a traditional pg or sg esp not in this system. Take him off the Cavs and things may go south for him for awhile, but I think he is the perfect versatile high upside leader this roster needs.
Garland is slowly making strides, but I am very concerned about his health / strength/ and lack of athleticism overall and somewhat worried the front office may have placed too much attention on his positives at the time of his one workout as a playmaker when there were significantly stronger front court position of need players in the 2019 draft that may not be the case in the 2020, add to that the fact the 2020 is loaded with pg's and it adds insult to injury if they end up having to draft a pg next June and are st back a season as a result.
Still on the Sekou train, but in some ways hoping he busts so I don't have to boycott this front office if Garland chokes all season.

[JonFromVA]

lol, I'm not worried about Garland. Yes, his overall stats aren't pretty, but given he's barely played in the last year you have to look at his talent ... stuff like this .vs. the rook who's suddenly Philly's defensive stopper:

Watch on YouTube

[jbk1234]

I'm cautiously optimistic due to his age, work ethic, and continued growth in his game. I think he's already better than several players on that list.

Why "cautiously"?

We know Collin is an NBA player (not a bust), we know he could have a long-career as an instant offense sixth man, we know he's just 21.

Every step he takes from here is another rung up the ladder ... heading how high we can't know, but surely higher and likely much higher.

Dion. Waiters.

[JonFromVA]

I'm cautiously optimistic due to his age, work ethic, and continued growth in his game. I think he's already better than several players on that list.

Why "cautiously"?

We know Collin is an NBA player (not a bust), we know he could have a long-career as an instant offense sixth man, we know he's just 21.

Every step he takes from here is another rung up the ladder ... heading how high we can't know, but surely higher and likely much higher.

Dion. Waiters.

It's possible to be optimistic about a player's future and realistic about his present at the same time. I held out hope for Dion until he was no longer on the team, but was concerned with the pick from the get go when he couldn't even start for Syracuse.

But what exactly about Collin reminds you of Dion?

[Stillwater]

lol, I'm not worried about Garland. Yes, his overall stats aren't pretty, but given he's barely played in the last year you have to look at his talent ... stuff like this .vs. the rook who's suddenly Philly's defensive stopper:

Watch on YouTube

thybulle? lock down defender from a zone defense system that has made me eat some crow, but he is who he is. sekou despite being **** getting picked by detroit if he ever sees the court besides gleague this year will turn some heads for sure.much more polished and nba ready than people realize.

[JonFromVA]

lol, I'm not worried about Garland. Yes, his overall stats aren't pretty, but given he's barely played in the last year you have to look at his talent ... stuff like this .vs. the rook who's suddenly Philly's defensive stopper:

Watch on YouTube

thybulle? lock down defender from a zone defense system that has made me eat some crow, but he is who he is. sekou despite being **** getting picked by detroit if he ever sees the court besides gleague this year will turn some heads for sure.much more polished and nba ready than people realize.

Haha ... watch the Cavs player in the video. Sekou is draft history as far as our team is concerned. I know little about Thybulle other than he made more impressive defensive plays in one game than perhaps the Cavs have done as a team all year ... except here.

[Stillwater]

lol, I'm not worried about Garland. Yes, his overall stats aren't pretty, but given he's barely played in the last year you have to look at his talent ... stuff like this .vs. the rook who's suddenly Philly's defensive stopper:

Watch on YouTube

thybulle? lock down defender from a zone defense system that has made me eat some crow, but he is who he is. sekou despite being **** getting picked by detroit if he ever sees the court besides gleague this year will turn some heads for sure.much more polished and nba ready than people realize.

Haha ... watch the Cavs player in the video. Sekou is draft history as far as our team is concerned. I know little about Thybulle other than he made more impressive defensive plays in one game than perhaps the Cavs have done as a team all year ... except here.

yeah Garland has a nice handle and doing that to a very solid rookie defender probably the best defender in the draft, was special... but he is not doing this enough, needs to be in the gym day and night until that 3 is falling at better than whatever bad % it's at right now and tbh needs to come off the bench until after the dl or at minimum until that shot improves.

[Jamaaliver]

Report: Tristan Thompson Yelled at John Beilein Due to Collin Sexton’s Shot Selection

The controversy over Cleveland Cavaliers head coach John Beilein’s sideline argument with center Tristan Thompson on Thursday night has been cleared up, with Thompson’s anger actually directed at the shot selection of teammate Collin Sexton.

Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com noted that the brief incident took place during the latter part of the third quarter of the Cavaliers’ overtime win in San Antonio. Thompson had just delivered a dunk to give the Cavs a nine-point lead, but was actually livid with Sexton having taken a quick 3-point shot on a previous possession.

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    “According to multiple people that were in close proximity to the fiery interaction, Thompson was actually yelling about Collin Sexton’s shot selection,” Fedor wrote. “It had nothing to do with Beilein specifically.”

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[Revenged25]

Report: Tristan Thompson Yelled at John Beilein Due to Collin Sexton’s Shot Selection

The controversy over Cleveland Cavaliers head coach John Beilein’s sideline argument with center Tristan Thompson on Thursday night has been cleared up, with Thompson’s anger actually directed at the shot selection of teammate Collin Sexton.

Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com noted that the brief incident took place during the latter part of the third quarter of the Cavaliers’ overtime win in San Antonio. Thompson had just delivered a dunk to give the Cavs a nine-point lead, but was actually livid with Sexton having taken a quick 3-point shot on a previous possession.

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    “According to multiple people that were in close proximity to the fiery interaction, Thompson was actually yelling about Collin Sexton’s shot selection,” Fedor wrote. “It had nothing to do with Beilein specifically.”

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It's a fair complaint. Although Sexton has been good, he does sometimes takes ill-advised shots. Something he'll get better at as he learns.

[Stillwater]

TT trying to be a leader ...so what.
Sexton is being told to take that shot even if it isn't the best shot & doesn't seem right to TT because of it...but Sexton is justified esp when nobody else is f.....g scoring or f.....g moving and cutting like they should be in this complicated system where he is forced into tough shots.
The growing pains of learning this system are wearing on those in contract years who feel the pressure from how it makes them look and devalues them for trades as well/ I would not be surprised if every single player we could get draft picks for is still a Cav after the DL if Beilein keeps pushing his agenda over winning

[Jamaaliver]

Cavs guard Collin Sexton shows growth in win over Atlanta Hawks



Cavaliers guard Collin Sexton wasn’t about to let the Atlanta Hawks force him out of his rhythm.

One of Sexton’s best skills is his ability to get to the rim, and he had no trouble doing that in the Cavs’ 121-118 win Monday over the Hawks. Sexton scored a team-high 25 points as he helped Cleveland extend its winning streak to three games.

For Sexton, his performance against the Hawks showed how he’s grown in playing at his pace.

“I felt like I had the drive, I had the shot,” Sexton said. “So I pretty much just played my game and play at a pace that I knew I’m really good at playing, and I made sure they didn’t speed me up or anything like that.”

A second-year guard, Sexton has shown improvement this season in his play-making, one of his most glaring weaknesses. Sexton tallied three assists, and he finished with only two turnovers. His development as a passer is necessary, but it’s likely he won’t ever be a pure floor general.

Sexton will be turning 21 on Jan. 4. Guard is arguably the hardest position to excel at in the NBA, with the learning curve steep. Young players have to learn the medley of different ways NBA teams defend, and they also have to learn how they’ll be defended based on their skill set.

Sexton said the Hawks tried different defensive coverages on him, but through it all he maintained his rhythm and made sure to get to the spots where he’s comfortable scoring the ball.

According to NBA.com stats, Sexton leads the Cavs in drives (12.6). He also leads the team in points scored on drives with 7.7.

Sexton established his rhythm in the first quarter, when he played all 12 minutes. He scored 11 of his points in the first quarter. He played 36 minutes total, his second-highest of the season.

Coach John Beilein said he challenged Sexton to guard Hawks star guard Trae Young on some possessions. Young scored 30 points, and he came into the game averaging 29.0 points per game.

“He (Young) was in a rhythm and we wanted to take him out of the rhythm,” Beilein said. “And Collin (Sexton) did a good job at that end of the floor, which is really an area that’s improving for Collin.”

This season Sexton has posted a defensive rating of 115.5, which is better than his 2018-19 rookie season of 118.1.

Cleveland.com

[jbk1234]

TT trying to be a leader ...so what.
Sexton is being told to take that shot even if it isn't the best shot & doesn't seem right to TT because of it...but Sexton is justified esp when nobody else is f.....g scoring or f.....g moving and cutting like they should be in this complicated system where he is forced into tough shots.
The growing pains of learning this system are wearing on those in contract years who feel the pressure from how it makes them look and devalues them for trades as well/ I would not be surprised if every single player we could get draft picks for is still a Cav after the DL if Beilein keeps pushing his agenda over winning

Just to be clear, having guys make smart plays within the offense is not Beilein's agenda, it's the Cavs agenda. It's what they want to build and why Beilein was brought in. Chucking up a three pointer early in the shot clock when you have the lead and the ball late in the game is not smart basketball. Now, Sexton is only 20 and you expect a certain amount of dumb plays from young guys, but he has to learn eventually. He's a very instinctual basketball player and his instincts can him into trouble late in games when he tries to be the hero. Part of the process is correcting bad habits so that the smart play eventually becomes instinctual.

[Stillwater]

TT trying to be a leader ...so what.
Sexton is being told to take that shot even if it isn't the best shot & doesn't seem right to TT because of it...but Sexton is justified esp when nobody else is f.....g scoring or f.....g moving and cutting like they should be in this complicated system where he is forced into tough shots.
The growing pains of learning this system are wearing on those in contract years who feel the pressure from how it makes them look and devalues them for trades as well/ I would not be surprised if every single player we could get draft picks for is still a Cav after the DL if Beilein keeps pushing his agenda over winning

Just to be clear, having guys make smart plays within the offense is not Beilein's agenda, it's the Cavs. It's why he was brought in. Chucking up a three pointer early in the shot clock when you have the lead and the ball late in the game is not smart basketball. Now, Sexton is only 20 and you expect a certain amount of dumb plays from young guys, but he has to learn eventually. He's a very instinctual basketball player and his instincts can him into trouble late in games when he tries to be the hero. Part of the process is correcting bad habits so that the smart play eventually becomes instinctual.

right his once or twice a game boneheaded decisions are good shots with the lead when you are making shots not when you are down 20 and shooting less than a decent % on the season from that spot. These things are why somebody should have an argument to bring him off the bench long term if he doesn't clean it up...esp if those decisions lead to losses in winnable games , but right now this team sucks they are rarely in games when he is doing that **** and Garland and KPJ are doing the same types of things typical of rookies night in and night out.
I get the impression KPJ is going to force one of the other 2 to the bench rotation soon which I have no problem with as long as the lineups work well together for everyone's development. I think Sexton will only be disgruntled if hes on the bench in the end game scenarios but it might happen to see if Garland can become the player they thought they drafted...if he fails badly Sexton then comes back into the sl even better than before because you and I both know that benching would make him work even harder.

[jbk1234]

TT trying to be a leader ...so what.
Sexton is being told to take that shot even if it isn't the best shot & doesn't seem right to TT because of it...but Sexton is justified esp when nobody else is f.....g scoring or f.....g moving and cutting like they should be in this complicated system where he is forced into tough shots.
The growing pains of learning this system are wearing on those in contract years who feel the pressure from how it makes them look and devalues them for trades as well/ I would not be surprised if every single player we could get draft picks for is still a Cav after the DL if Beilein keeps pushing his agenda over winning

Just to be clear, having guys make smart plays within the offense is not Beilein's agenda, it's the Cavs. It's why he was brought in. Chucking up a three pointer early in the shot clock when you have the lead and the ball late in the game is not smart basketball. Now, Sexton is only 20 and you expect a certain amount of dumb plays from young guys, but he has to learn eventually. He's a very instinctual basketball player and his instincts can him into trouble late in games when he tries to be the hero. Part of the process is correcting bad habits so that the smart play eventually becomes instinctual.

right his once or twice a game boneheaded decisions are good shots with the lead when you are making shots not when you are down 20 and shooting less than a decent % on the season from that spot. These things are why somebody should have an argument to bring him off the bench long term if he doesn't clean it up...esp if those decisions lead to losses in winnable games , but right now this team sucks they are rarely in games when he is doing that **** and Garland and KPJ are doing the same types of things typical of rookies night in and night out.
I get the impression KPJ is going to force one of the other 2 to the bench rotation soon which I have no problem with as long as the lineups work well together for everyone's development. I think Sexton will only be disgruntled if hes on the bench in the end game scenarios but it might happen to see if Garland can become the player they thought they drafted...if he fails badly Sexton then comes back into the sl even better than before because you and I both know that benching would make him work even harder.

I think part of the issue is that you're less forgiving of mistakes when a player is in his second season in the league than his first. What's important is people don't freak out when young players do young-player things AND they don't freak out when vets let young players know they're doing young-player things. You don't want to harp on every mistake, but when the same mistakes occur over and over, it's perfectly appropriate to say something.

It's pretty obvious that Garland and Sexton need to be split up. I wouldn't be shocked if they eventually try Exum next to Sexton as he's the type of PG you need to play next to Sexton in a starting unit. My preference, for now, would be to try something like that. If Sexton gets benched, you're announcing to the league he's a sixth man. Garland coming off the bench is perfectly acceptable for a 19-year old who only played a handful of games in college. If we end up having to move one, I'd like their respective trade values to be as high as possible.

I don't see KPJ and Sexton as a good pairing in a starting unit. It's like trying to start a poor man's version of Harden and Westbrook.

[Revenged25]

Just to be clear, having guys make smart plays within the offense is not Beilein's agenda, it's the Cavs. It's why he was brought in. Chucking up a three pointer early in the shot clock when you have the lead and the ball late in the game is not smart basketball. Now, Sexton is only 20 and you expect a certain amount of dumb plays from young guys, but he has to learn eventually. He's a very instinctual basketball player and his instincts can him into trouble late in games when he tries to be the hero. Part of the process is correcting bad habits so that the smart play eventually becomes instinctual.

right his once or twice a game boneheaded decisions are good shots with the lead when you are making shots not when you are down 20 and shooting less than a decent % on the season from that spot. These things are why somebody should have an argument to bring him off the bench long term if he doesn't clean it up...esp if those decisions lead to losses in winnable games , but right now this team sucks they are rarely in games when he is doing that **** and Garland and KPJ are doing the same types of things typical of rookies night in and night out.
I get the impression KPJ is going to force one of the other 2 to the bench rotation soon which I have no problem with as long as the lineups work well together for everyone's development. I think Sexton will only be disgruntled if hes on the bench in the end game scenarios but it might happen to see if Garland can become the player they thought they drafted...if he fails badly Sexton then comes back into the sl even better than before because you and I both know that benching would make him work even harder.

I think part of the issue is that you're less forgiving of mistakes when a player is in his second season in the league than his first. What's important is people don't freak out when young players do young-player things AND they don't freak out when vets let young players know they're doing young-player things. You don't want to harp on every mistake, but when the same mistakes occur over and over, it's perfectly appropriate to say something.

It's pretty obvious that Garland and Sexton need to be split up. I wouldn't be shocked if they eventually try Exum next to Sexton as he's the type of PG you need to play next to Sexton in a starting unit. My preference, for now, would be to try something like that. If Sexton gets benched, you're announcing to the league he's a sixth man. Garland coming off the bench is perfectly acceptable for a 19-year old who only played a handful of games in college. If we end up having to move one, I'd like their respective trade values to be as high as possible.

I don't see KPJ and Sexton as a good pairing in a starting unit. It's like trying to start a poor man's version of Harden and Westbrook.

I mean, if we had to choose between a poor man's version of Harden/Westbrook and Dame/CJ I'd rather the Harden/Westbrook version personally...

[jbk1234]

right his once or twice a game boneheaded decisions are good shots with the lead when you are making shots not when you are down 20 and shooting less than a decent % on the season from that spot. These things are why somebody should have an argument to bring him off the bench long term if he doesn't clean it up...esp if those decisions lead to losses in winnable games , but right now this team sucks they are rarely in games when he is doing that **** and Garland and KPJ are doing the same types of things typical of rookies night in and night out.
I get the impression KPJ is going to force one of the other 2 to the bench rotation soon which I have no problem with as long as the lineups work well together for everyone's development. I think Sexton will only be disgruntled if hes on the bench in the end game scenarios but it might happen to see if Garland can become the player they thought they drafted...if he fails badly Sexton then comes back into the sl even better than before because you and I both know that benching would make him work even harder.

I think part of the issue is that you're less forgiving of mistakes when a player is in his second season in the league than his first. What's important is people don't freak out when young players do young-player things AND they don't freak out when vets let young players know they're doing young-player things. You don't want to harp on every mistake, but when the same mistakes occur over and over, it's perfectly appropriate to say something.

It's pretty obvious that Garland and Sexton need to be split up. I wouldn't be shocked if they eventually try Exum next to Sexton as he's the type of PG you need to play next to Sexton in a starting unit. My preference, for now, would be to try something like that. If Sexton gets benched, you're announcing to the league he's a sixth man. Garland coming off the bench is perfectly acceptable for a 19-year old who only played a handful of games in college. If we end up having to move one, I'd like their respective trade values to be as high as possible.

I don't see KPJ and Sexton as a good pairing in a starting unit. It's like trying to start a poor man's version of Harden and Westbrook.

I mean, if we had to choose between a poor man's version of Harden/Westbrook and Dame/CJ I'd rather the Harden/Westbrook version personally...

I'd rather pass on both.

[Stillwater]

no worries mates they are real high on LaMello supposedly smh

[tugs]

Surprised no talk about current/former Cavs vets criticizing Sexton's game