COVID -19 WARNINGS

[JonFromVA]

I have heard some mixed opinions on the tv about how long it survives as it is dependent somewhat on the level of heat and humidity which they are surprisingly saying eliminates it faster than when in a dry cold climate situation where it may remain a contagion longer.
I break down all boxes including boxes any shipped product themselves are inside of ,leaving a pile of products most of which have plastic or can containers which I then clean thoroughly with 1 cap of bleach in 22 oz spray bottle filled with water spraying down everything letting it sit for 10 minutes then spraying it all again and wiping it all off with paper towels that go to the trash.
if it's boxed food like pasta I take the bags out of the boxes and dump contents into new ziplock bags so that no part of any of the manufacturing process remains other than the food which to be honest I am also somewhat apprehensive to consume if it doesn't require cooking like cereals. But that is probably overly cautious. the cereal ban I am imposing for now...
family thinks i am on crack but idk

I don't want the virus in my house either, but I don't want to soak everything in bleach or isopropyl unless there's some clear risk. Still amazing what we don't know...

I don't blame you , it sucks but I have my suspicions about this being transferred just by what they are saying right now...im seeing it reaching enormous rates of transmission given the amount of cases with no symptoms are passing it on supposedly . What if virus is also in the perfect environment being kept alive on surfaces especially packaging from factory settings given the potential to be transferred easily etc. Yeah the garage smells like a lockeroom in the 70s. But it's worth it imo.

It wouldn't surprise me if there weren't certain conditions that would extend the life of the virus; but one thing they made clear is that if the virus survived very long on cardboard or plastic surfaces it would have rapidly spread globally just due to all the packages being shipped from China. I suppose that includes a lot of food items as well, but we don't know what we don't know.

[Stillwater]

I don't want the virus in my house either, but I don't want to soak everything in bleach or isopropyl unless there's some clear risk. Still amazing what we don't know...

I don't blame you , it sucks but I have my suspicions about this being transferred just by what they are saying right now...im seeing it reaching enormous rates of transmission given the amount of cases with no symptoms are passing it on supposedly . What if virus is also in the perfect environment being kept alive on surfaces especially packaging from factory settings given the potential to be transferred easily etc. Yeah the garage smells like a lockeroom in the 70s. But it's worth it imo.

It wouldn't surprise me if there weren't certain conditions that would extend the life of the virus; but one thing they made clear is that if the virus survived very long on cardboard or plastic surfaces it would have rapidly spread globally just due to all the packages being shipped from China. I suppose that includes a lot of food items as well, but we don't know what we don't know.

That hits on the root of concern. Imo it's possible it has and continues to be spread on packaging despite the popular opinion it doesn't have that life.
Also who's to say it didn't spread rapidly given the lack of availability of testing for asymptomatic potential carriers

[JonFromVA]

I don't blame you , it sucks but I have my suspicions about this being transferred just by what they are saying right now...im seeing it reaching enormous rates of transmission given the amount of cases with no symptoms are passing it on supposedly . What if virus is also in the perfect environment being kept alive on surfaces especially packaging from factory settings given the potential to be transferred easily etc. Yeah the garage smells like a lockeroom in the 70s. But it's worth it imo.

It wouldn't surprise me if there weren't certain conditions that would extend the life of the virus; but one thing they made clear is that if the virus survived very long on cardboard or plastic surfaces it would have rapidly spread globally just due to all the packages being shipped from China. I suppose that includes a lot of food items as well, but we don't know what we don't know.

That hits on the root of concern. Imo it's possible it has and continues to be spread on packaging despite the popular opinion it doesn't have that life.
Also who's to say it didn't spread rapidly given the lack of availability of testing for asymptomatic potential carriers

I think their point is that if the virus could survive international shipment, that hordes of people would had been flooding the ICU's weeks ago as opposed to very recently.

In the end the trick is arriving at acceptable practices and acceptable risks, because really ... who's to say anything is truly adequate?

A lot of healthcare workers are testing positive for Covid-19 and presumably they're using the best known practices - the difference is that their exposure risk is sky high compared to someone sitting this out at home with little outside contact.

[Stillwater]

It wouldn't surprise me if there weren't certain conditions that would extend the life of the virus; but one thing they made clear is that if the virus survived very long on cardboard or plastic surfaces it would have rapidly spread globally just due to all the packages being shipped from China. I suppose that includes a lot of food items as well, but we don't know what we don't know.

That hits on the root of concern. Imo it's possible it has and continues to be spread on packaging despite the popular opinion it doesn't have that life.
Also who's to say it didn't spread rapidly given the lack of availability of testing for asymptomatic potential carriers

I think their point is that if the virus could survive international shipment, that hordes of people would had been flooding the ICU's weeks ago as opposed to very recently.

In the end the trick is arriving at acceptable practices and acceptable risks, because really ... who's to say anything is truly adequate?

A lot of healthcare workers are testing positive for Covid-19 and presumably they're using the best known practices - the difference is that their exposure risk is sky high compared to someone sitting this out at home with little outside contact.

yep the risk for me is a ton lower than anyone going about their lives like nothing is wrong still and obviously nothing compared to the risk those on the front lines especially the older ones who basically risking their life to try to help people...when the regulations in place are not amended due to the shortage and they are still forcing them to change masks each shift [ more for certain jobs] even though they can be resused for a lot longer than that, and gloves have to be swapped out from patient to patient where they run out really fast too.
As far as the flooding ICU thing, I am pretty sure that is happening right now aka a delayed reaction with a long incubation for most infected with symptoms and potentially longer one in some people imo who are infected but dont have symptoms....yet

[JonFromVA]

That hits on the root of concern. Imo it's possible it has and continues to be spread on packaging despite the popular opinion it doesn't have that life.
Also who's to say it didn't spread rapidly given the lack of availability of testing for asymptomatic potential carriers

I think their point is that if the virus could survive international shipment, that hordes of people would had been flooding the ICU's weeks ago as opposed to very recently.

In the end the trick is arriving at acceptable practices and acceptable risks, because really ... who's to say anything is truly adequate?

A lot of healthcare workers are testing positive for Covid-19 and presumably they're using the best known practices - the difference is that their exposure risk is sky high compared to someone sitting this out at home with little outside contact.

yep the risk for me is a ton lower than anyone going about their lives like nothing is wrong still and obviously nothing compared to the risk those on the front lines especially the older ones who basically risking their life to try to help people...when the regulations in place are not amended due to the shortage and they are still forcing them to change masks each shift [ more for certain jobs] even though they can be resused for a lot longer than that, and gloves have to be swapped out from patient to patient where they run out really fast too.
As far as the flooding ICU thing, I am pretty sure that is happening right now aka a delayed reaction with a long incubation for most infected with symptoms and potentially longer one in some people imo who are infected but dont have symptoms....yet

Presumably pneumonia is a complication caused by the virus rather than a symptom and that's what's putting people in the ICU. So if I got that right there would be some lag

[Stillwater]

Right people with history of smoking who have weakened lung capacity are at highest risk of developing pneumonia imo same as any cold or flu, but most ICU are not equipped for mass numbers of people with a virus they have to isolate from other non covid-19 infected ICU patients.
I had a friend who spent a very very long time at the bedside of a loved one in a terrible accident who was basically palliative care status with little hope of recovery but was kept alive on ventilator for months in an ICU or downstream unit part of the intensive care staffed wing.
I think most hospitals are more concerned with containment and keeping it out if their ICU than anything right now.

[Stillwater]

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/03/22/live-ohio-gov-mike-dewine-addresses-public-covid-spreads-through-state/
Officially hitting home hard...

[Stillwater]

So in looking closer at the actual sah order if you get a chance it really does very little to stop the spread. Just basically will eliminate any tourist activity if they extend it into the summer months
Right now unless you are a car full of teenagers or seen coming back from somewhere several times a day you probably are not getting pulled over.
Other than amusement parks which are not open yet anyway and restaurant bar scenes not much will change

[Stillwater]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbc4i.com/community/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-ohio-sunday-update-gov-dewine-to-hold-2pm-news-conference-to-discuss-covid-19-fdas-battelle-decision/amp/
Process in place sterilization of used masks.
Maybe after this over people will realize the waste we produce by not having these types of services already.
Getting pretty bored these days , world is changing

[JonFromVA]

How hard is it to sterilize a mask? Dunk it in isopropyl for 10 minutes and let it dry?

The N95 mask is meant for construction purposes and filtering out small dust particles and such (95% of them), so, designing them for re-use doesn't make a lot of sense. But when used for just breathing, the filter should last much longer.

[Stillwater]

Check out this video of
ASSISTANT CLINICAL PROFESSOR | Emergency Medicine
Specialty Emergency Medicine
Hospital Affiliations Mount Sinai Brooklyn Mount Sinai Beth Israel Mount Sinai Queens Mount Sinai Morningside and Mount Sinai West The Mount Sinai Hospital
the description he provides is horrid.
http://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/nyc-emergency-room-doctor-on-battling-coronavirus-81450053695

[Stillwater]

Here is a quick read about a couple of myths regarding killing it
https://www.wkbn.com/news/coronavirus/cleveland-clinic-busts-common-covid-19-myths/

[Stillwater]

There is a severe disconnect between the reality of this nightmare and what many people are believing about it still to this day.
It could and likely will cause permanent lung damage to anyone who gets it and survives.
I'd liken it to being a world class athlete going in and coming out feeling like a pack a day smoker.
As a real probability at least for anyone with the typical deep lower respiratory symptoms.
Example https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/covid-19-recovered-patients-have-partially-reduced-lung-function/a-52859671

[Stillwater]

http://www.msnbc.com/katy-tur/watch/nyc-er-doctor-i-am-now-relying-on-personal-donations-of-ppe-82085445633
86% of patients put on ventilators die ...that is a world wide stat apparently.
I hope everyone is staying well, I am so far, but the real timeline of this curve for the actual inhabitants of earth is getting very ugly unlike the bs projections made by world ,country ,and state leaders with a plethora of other motives aside from saving lives etc.
I have already lost contact with a key business associate & friend who had been hospitalized over this , no return calls only tells me he is in trouble. family probably has it too or they would have responded to messages.
its a clusterf

[Stillwater]

interesting video

Watch on YouTube

start at the 4 minute mark for the meat of the storyline

[Stillwater]

So we are now up to 30k new cases per day in USA of those that are reported, with at minimum 2k a day dying from covid-19.
I'd say most Americans did not heed the advice they should have, which is no surprise since most info about it was sugar coated as conspiracy theories early in january and feb.
Here is my advice to anyone still pretending they are invincible... borrow some coworkers pen and chew on it.

[Stillwater]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html
Looks like the reopening moves are expected to actually cause much more cases than actual cdc data has suggested in past.
I fear our government is failing us, but worse maybe is we are failing ourselves as the once great free society with so many being unwilling to sacrifice some normal expected pleasure short term for a better containment curve.
I personally know of only a couple people who took this as serious as i did, and am not surprised few looked at it with a clear lens since so many live as if they still dont see what this will do to us as a nation.
Im expecting to lose all elderly members of my hood before its over, and thats a lot of kids with no grandparents in their ear.
Pretty sad

[Revenged25]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-live-updates.html
Looks like the reopening moves are expected to actually cause much more cases than actual cdc data has suggested in past.
I fear our government is failing us, but worse maybe is we are failing ourselves as the once great free society with so many being unwilling to sacrifice some normal expected pleasure short term for a better containment curve.
I personally know of only a couple people who took this as serious as i did, and am not surprised few looked at it with a clear lens since so many live as if they still dont see what this will do to us as a nation.
Im expecting to lose all elderly members of my hood before its over, and thats a lot of kids with no grandparents in their ear.
Pretty sad

My work has already said that they are extending the work from home through June at a minimum, possibly the rest of the year. Which is probably easier since we are a software company.

[Stillwater]

pretty soon you wont be able to get meat anywhere

[Stillwater]

Remember back in January the Diamond Princess? straight outta the virus birth canal. with 329 Americans returning home to "Self quarantine" whilst the CDC and President sfb were saying you didn't need a mask ...now months later and millions infected ooops better wear a mask.
I honestly think this is the beginning of the end for America the land of the Free. Reality is the failures of the people with no honest leadership to warn them and protect them from themselves proves many in our society are primed for a dictator take over.