2024-25 Regular Season

[toooskies]

You blow up the salary structure, and you're going to get angry phone calls from 31 other owners and maybe the league office the next day.

I'm not saying that you hand Atkinson $20m/year or anything crazy, but I'd expect something in the $9-10m range.

Hopefully we'll see, but Mike Brown for instance is getting paid $8.5M, has a **** more experience, success directing his current team, has been to the finals, has a winning record, etc, etc.

I'd suggest we compare what Jordi Fernandez got from Brooklyn given I'd consider them on a similar level, but I can't find any details on what Jordi got.

It'd totally be worth it to Gilbert to taunt the Lakers (and LeBron) by paying his coach more than they paid theirs.

Brown got an extension but it's sort of tenuous because the Kings expected to be better than they were this year.

[JonFromVA]

I'm not saying that you hand Atkinson $20m/year or anything crazy, but I'd expect something in the $9-10m range.

Hopefully we'll see, but Mike Brown for instance is getting paid $8.5M, has a **** more experience, success directing his current team, has been to the finals, has a winning record, etc, etc.

I'd suggest we compare what Jordi Fernandez got from Brooklyn given I'd consider them on a similar level, but I can't find any details on what Jordi got.

It'd totally be worth it to Gilbert to taunt the Lakers (and LeBron) by paying his coach more than they paid theirs.

Brown got an extension but it's sort of tenuous because the Kings expected to be better than they were this year.

If Gilbert's goal was to taunt the Lakers, he would have written Dan Hurley a blank check to run the team; but he didn't do his usual thing. He let his front office run the search and didn't get involved until they'd picked their top candidates.

Now if we were talking Matt Ishiba, that'd be another matter, but Ishiba got his coach signed up quick.

[JujitsuFlip]

Dan is a billionaire, they could hand Kenny that fattest contract in history and Dan wouldn't feel it.

What's more, the TV contracts going up gives the front offices more money to spread around.

I'd absolutely want my head coach to deserve more in salary than Georges Niang.

You blow up the salary structure, and you're going to get angry phone calls from 31 other owners and maybe the league office the next day.

29, Vegas and Seattle aren't teams just yet lol

[JujitsuFlip]

Coaches salaries are getting kind of ridiculous lately and I can't imagine what Kenny has done to deserve a top offer, but if that's his ask, I could see things falling apart.

The Cavs have identified more than one guy for the job and they can easily circle back rather than let themselves be robbed at gunpoint.

Hopefully, they've already agreed on the framework of the deal ....

Dan is a billionaire, they could hand Kenny that fattest contract in history and Dan wouldn't feel it.

If Dan was willing to spend whatever it takes, it's hard to imagine how Larry Brown, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, John Calipari, and every other high profile candidate he's talked to over the years did not end up in Cleveland.

It's about more than money for some coaches, not everyone thinks like Monty.

Dan Hurley turned down $20 million additional just to stay in the NCAA, mostly due to his wife.

There are a lot of factors to bringing a coach from a different league to the NBA.

[JonFromVA]

Dan is a billionaire, they could hand Kenny that fattest contract in history and Dan wouldn't feel it.

If Dan was willing to spend whatever it takes, it's hard to imagine how Larry Brown, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, John Calipari, and every other high profile candidate he's talked to over the years did not end up in Cleveland.

It's about more than money for some coaches, not everyone thinks like Monty.

Dan Hurley turned down $20 million additional just to stay in the NCAA, mostly due to his wife.

There are a lot of factors to bringing a coach from a different league to the NBA.

I don't think Hurley turned down a penny. UCONN is going to pony up.

Anyway, I suspect even Dan has his limits. He's not in the business of giving away his billions, his goal is to invest money where it can spur growth. If he thought paying Hurly $100M/year had the potential to earn him an extra $1B/year, yeah, sure ... he might be able to justify it.

[JujitsuFlip]

If Dan was willing to spend whatever it takes, it's hard to imagine how Larry Brown, Tom Izzo, Bill Self, John Calipari, and every other high profile candidate he's talked to over the years did not end up in Cleveland.

It's about more than money for some coaches, not everyone thinks like Monty.

Dan Hurley turned down $20 million additional just to stay in the NCAA, mostly due to his wife.

There are a lot of factors to bringing a coach from a different league to the NBA.

I don't think Hurley turned down a penny. UCONN is going to pony up.

Anyway, I suspect even Dan has his limits. He's not in the business of giving away his billions, his goal is to invest money where it can spur growth. If he thought paying Hurly $100M/year had the potential to earn him an extra $1B/year, yeah, sure ... he might be able to justify it.

Kerr is the highest paid coach in NBA history at $17.5 million AAV.

Dan isn't going to pay some unknown nearly 6 times that, AAV.

I say all that to say, the Cavs aren't losing out on Kenny due to money. If Kenny doesn't sign on the dotted line, it will be like in Charlotte where he couldn't pick his staff or like Hurley in Connecticut where his wife got "violent" at the idea of moving cross country.

[JonFromVA]

It's about more than money for some coaches, not everyone thinks like Monty.

Dan Hurley turned down $20 million additional just to stay in the NCAA, mostly due to his wife.

There are a lot of factors to bringing a coach from a different league to the NBA.

I don't think Hurley turned down a penny. UCONN is going to pony up.

Anyway, I suspect even Dan has his limits. He's not in the business of giving away his billions, his goal is to invest money where it can spur growth. If he thought paying Hurly $100M/year had the potential to earn him an extra $1B/year, yeah, sure ... he might be able to justify it.

Kerr is the highest paid coach in NBA history at $17.5 million AAV.

Dan isn't going to pay some unknown nearly 6 times that, AAV.

I say all that to say, the Cavs aren't losing out on Kenny due to money. If Kenny doesn't sign on the dotted line, it will be like in Charlotte where he couldn't pick his staff or like Hurley in Connecticut where his wife got "violent" at the idea of moving cross country.

Or we lose him because he tries to play a last minute game to leverage more money based on Detroit and we turn around and tell him to f-off, have fun in Detroit.

We'll find out soon enough, or maybe not? I couldn't find any numbers on JBB.

Obviously coaching salaries are climbing, but Atkinson has done literally nothing to earn a big pay besides saying 'Yes'.

[JujitsuFlip]

I don't think Hurley turned down a penny. UCONN is going to pony up.

Anyway, I suspect even Dan has his limits. He's not in the business of giving away his billions, his goal is to invest money where it can spur growth. If he thought paying Hurly $100M/year had the potential to earn him an extra $1B/year, yeah, sure ... he might be able to justify it.

Kerr is the highest paid coach in NBA history at $17.5 million AAV.

Dan isn't going to pay some unknown nearly 6 times that, AAV.

I say all that to say, the Cavs aren't losing out on Kenny due to money. If Kenny doesn't sign on the dotted line, it will be like in Charlotte where he couldn't pick his staff or like Hurley in Connecticut where his wife got "violent" at the idea of moving cross country.

Or we lose him because he tries to play a last minute game to leverage more money based on Detroit and we turn around and tell him to f-off, have fun in Detroit.

We'll find out soon enough, or maybe not? I couldn't find any numbers on JBB.

Obviously coaching salaries are climbing, but Atkinson has done literally nothing to earn a big pay besides saying 'Yes'.

I mean, we weren't in the interviews so hard to say him getting paid isn't warranted.

Look how great of an offensive mind freaking Mike Brown became under Kerr.

Add in Kenny has been under not only Kerr but bud and also MDA.

[JonFromVA]

Kerr is the highest paid coach in NBA history at $17.5 million AAV.

Dan isn't going to pay some unknown nearly 6 times that, AAV.

I say all that to say, the Cavs aren't losing out on Kenny due to money. If Kenny doesn't sign on the dotted line, it will be like in Charlotte where he couldn't pick his staff or like Hurley in Connecticut where his wife got "violent" at the idea of moving cross country.

Or we lose him because he tries to play a last minute game to leverage more money based on Detroit and we turn around and tell him to f-off, have fun in Detroit.

We'll find out soon enough, or maybe not? I couldn't find any numbers on JBB.

Obviously coaching salaries are climbing, but Atkinson has done literally nothing to earn a big pay besides saying 'Yes'.

I mean, we weren't in the interviews so hard to say him getting paid isn't warranted.

Look how great of an offensive mind freaking Mike Brown became under Kerr.

Add in Kenny has been under not only Kerr but bud and also MDA.

Jordi is given a lot of credit for what the Kings did offensively.

One thing about Mike Brown, is he's a willing delegator. With any luck Kenny has learned he needs to do that under Kerr, he has a reputation for working crazy hours when in Brooklyn and you know he's already 57.

As far as I know, Kenny Atkinson's strength isn't his play calling or his X's & O's, it's on the player development side and getting YOUNG guys to buy in. The hire almost seems like an overcompensation for JBB and his limited ability to develop players. Kenny will get the chance to show he can do a lot more with better talent than he had in Brooklyn, but he's not exactly a hot commodity who suddenly just got discovered or hit the open market.

[JujitsuFlip]

Or we lose him because he tries to play a last minute game to leverage more money based on Detroit and we turn around and tell him to f-off, have fun in Detroit.

We'll find out soon enough, or maybe not? I couldn't find any numbers on JBB.

Obviously coaching salaries are climbing, but Atkinson has done literally nothing to earn a big pay besides saying 'Yes'.

I mean, we weren't in the interviews so hard to say him getting paid isn't warranted.

Look how great of an offensive mind freaking Mike Brown became under Kerr.

Add in Kenny has been under not only Kerr but bud and also MDA.

Jordi is given a lot of credit for what the Kings did offensively.

One thing about Mike Brown, is he's a willing delegator. With any luck Kenny has learned he needs to do that under Kerr, he has a reputation for working crazy hours when in Brooklyn and you know he's already 57.

As far as I know, Kenny Atkinson's strength isn't his play calling or his X's & O's, it's on the player development side and getting YOUNG guys to buy in. The hire almost seems like an overcompensation for JBB and his limited ability to develop players. Kenny will get the chance to show he can do a lot more with better talent than he had in Brooklyn, but he's not exactly a hot commodity who suddenly just got discovered or hit the open market.

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

[JonFromVA]

I mean, we weren't in the interviews so hard to say him getting paid isn't warranted.

Look how great of an offensive mind freaking Mike Brown became under Kerr.

Add in Kenny has been under not only Kerr but bud and also MDA.

Jordi is given a lot of credit for what the Kings did offensively.

One thing about Mike Brown, is he's a willing delegator. With any luck Kenny has learned he needs to do that under Kerr, he has a reputation for working crazy hours when in Brooklyn and you know he's already 57.

As far as I know, Kenny Atkinson's strength isn't his play calling or his X's & O's, it's on the player development side and getting YOUNG guys to buy in. The hire almost seems like an overcompensation for JBB and his limited ability to develop players. Kenny will get the chance to show he can do a lot more with better talent than he had in Brooklyn, but he's not exactly a hot commodity who suddenly just got discovered or hit the open market.

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

[ijspeelman]

Jordi is given a lot of credit for what the Kings did offensively.

One thing about Mike Brown, is he's a willing delegator. With any luck Kenny has learned he needs to do that under Kerr, he has a reputation for working crazy hours when in Brooklyn and you know he's already 57.

As far as I know, Kenny Atkinson's strength isn't his play calling or his X's & O's, it's on the player development side and getting YOUNG guys to buy in. The hire almost seems like an overcompensation for JBB and his limited ability to develop players. Kenny will get the chance to show he can do a lot more with better talent than he had in Brooklyn, but he's not exactly a hot commodity who suddenly just got discovered or hit the open market.

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

I think the context of what team he coached gives a little more context to a losing record and 1-4 in the playoffs

Shohei never made the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he was worth a minimum contract

[JonFromVA]

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

I think the context of what team he coached gives a little more context to a losing record and 1-4 in the playoffs

Shohei never made the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he was worth a minimum contract

Focus on the goal, here. If we're still trying to develop the team, KA is a very qualified developmental coach. If we're trying to push the team in to true contention, he has nothing on the resume in that department.

We actually need both, but we'll be crossing our fingers on the later.

People get paid for potential/promise and proven results. Kenny is a deserving coaching candidate, but hardly a hot item.

[ijspeelman]

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

I think the context of what team he coached gives a little more context to a losing record and 1-4 in the playoffs

Shohei never made the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he was worth a minimum contract

Focus on the goal, here. If we're still trying to develop the team, KA is a very qualified developmental coach. If we're trying to push this time in to true contention, he has nothing on the resume in that department.

We actually need both, but we'll be crossing our fingers on the later.

People get paid for potential/promise and proven results. Kenny is a deserving coaching candidate, but hardly a hot item.

I 100% agree he hasn't shown that he can contend with a good team (while not having really an opportunity to do so), but there is some promise there with him being a championship assistant coach on the Warriors.

He's def not a home run type candidate, but he's got a decent resume. I think he was a fairly hot commodity, but peeps were a bit turned off when he turned down the Hornets

The Atkinson firing has been seen as one of the worst coach firings in recent history and his name has popped up a lot over the years as a lead coaching hire. Will he live up to that... well we are about to find out haha

[JonFromVA]

I think the context of what team he coached gives a little more context to a losing record and 1-4 in the playoffs

Shohei never made the playoffs, but that doesn't mean he was worth a minimum contract

Focus on the goal, here. If we're still trying to develop the team, KA is a very qualified developmental coach. If we're trying to push this time in to true contention, he has nothing on the resume in that department.

We actually need both, but we'll be crossing our fingers on the later.

People get paid for potential/promise and proven results. Kenny is a deserving coaching candidate, but hardly a hot item.

I 100% agree he hasn't shown that he can contend with a good team (while not having really an opportunity to do so), but there is some promise there with him being a championship assistant coach on the Warriors.

He's def not a home run type candidate, but he's got a decent resume. I think he was a fairly hot commodity, but peeps were a bit turned off when he turned down the Hornets

The Atkinson firing has been seen as one of the worst coach firings in recent history and his name has popped up a lot over the years as a lead coaching hire. Will he live up to that... well we are about to find out haha

KD and Kyrie deserve plenty of blame for that, but not necessarily all of it.

A coach is expected to be able to adapt to his personnel and he can't treat a couple of superstar prima donnas like they're second round picks trying to make a roster UNLESS they want to be treated that way.

Which is why Pops simply avoids the type. So, if we're committed top to bottom to doing things the Kenny way, then Koby may have some work ahead. Or maybe Kenny will adjust. That happens too.

But it's a risk that we've presumably reduced by getting Donovan to buy in.

Feel free to deep dive in to what Kenny accomplished in Golden State, but it's always going to be hard to imagine coaching making much of a difference to those guys beyond just being healthy enough.

[JujitsuFlip]

Jordi is given a lot of credit for what the Kings did offensively.

One thing about Mike Brown, is he's a willing delegator. With any luck Kenny has learned he needs to do that under Kerr, he has a reputation for working crazy hours when in Brooklyn and you know he's already 57.

As far as I know, Kenny Atkinson's strength isn't his play calling or his X's & O's, it's on the player development side and getting YOUNG guys to buy in. The hire almost seems like an overcompensation for JBB and his limited ability to develop players. Kenny will get the chance to show he can do a lot more with better talent than he had in Brooklyn, but he's not exactly a hot commodity who suddenly just got discovered or hit the open market.

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

Of the known other candidates the Cavs interviewed, who is a better option?

Borrego has a losing record as a head coach, couldn't get to the playoffs with the Hornets or Magic as head coach. Consistently ran a 7 man rotation his final season in Charlotte.

David Adelman, Micah Nori, and Johnnie Bryant never played in the NBA and have no NBA head coaching expierence.

Chris Quinn played in the NBA but has no head coaching expierence.

It was so late in the search who knows if they even talked to Alex Jensen.

Were Terry Stotts and Dave Joerger even interviewed?

[JonFromVA]

I don't think every HC hire has so be some unproven hot commodity. We tried that twice and it blew up in the Cavs collective face.

This time, it seems, they just went with the guy they wanted, who actually coached in the NBA before, under great offensive minds.

Our roster is young, so having a guy interested in developing them is important.

Also, having a guy interested in playing 12 guys, as much as it is to push back against the jb 7 and 8 man rotation, it is also just a smart idea. At least from a health perspective.

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

Of the known other candidates the Cavs interviewed, who is a better option?

Borrego has a losing record as a head coach, couldn't get to the playoffs with the Hornets or Magic as head coach. Consistently ran a 7 man rotation his final season in Charlotte.

David Adelman, Micah Nori, and Johnnie Bryant never played in the NBA and have no NBA head coaching expierence.

Chris Quinn played in the NBA but has no head coaching expierence.

It was so late in the search who knows if they even talked to Alex Jensen.

Were Terry Stotts and Dave Joerger even interviewed?

You misconstrue my point ... IMO, none of those guys should be getting $10M/yr deals.

As I understand it, the Cavs considered a bunch of people but their goal was to cut it down to 3 before dragging Dan in to the process.

A lot of candidates were weeded out early in the process either by our choice or theirs own.

[JujitsuFlip]

Sure, Kenny is a reasonably safe hire with upside, we have players who do need development, he was even an assistant under Kerr when he won a championship.

He's still got a losing record as a head coach and is 1-4 in the playoffs.

That kind of resume would have gotten him a $3M/year contract a couple of years ago.

Of the known other candidates the Cavs interviewed, who is a better option?

Borrego has a losing record as a head coach, couldn't get to the playoffs with the Hornets or Magic as head coach. Consistently ran a 7 man rotation his final season in Charlotte.

David Adelman, Micah Nori, and Johnnie Bryant never played in the NBA and have no NBA head coaching expierence.

Chris Quinn played in the NBA but has no head coaching expierence.

It was so late in the search who knows if they even talked to Alex Jensen.

Were Terry Stotts and Dave Joerger even interviewed?

You misconstrue my point ... IMO, none of those guys should be getting $10M/yr deals.

As I understand it, the Cavs considered a bunch of people but their goal was to cut it down to 3 before dragging Dan in to the process.

A lot of candidates were weeded out early in the process either by our choice or theirs own.

I just don't think we should dump on a deal before we even know what the deal is. Since there are zero details to be found on jb's deal or his extension, we may never know.

Change is here, which was needed, time to embrace it, regardless what Dan paid for it because it is ultimately irrelevant anyways.

[JonFromVA]

Of the known other candidates the Cavs interviewed, who is a better option?

Borrego has a losing record as a head coach, couldn't get to the playoffs with the Hornets or Magic as head coach. Consistently ran a 7 man rotation his final season in Charlotte.

David Adelman, Micah Nori, and Johnnie Bryant never played in the NBA and have no NBA head coaching expierence.

Chris Quinn played in the NBA but has no head coaching expierence.

It was so late in the search who knows if they even talked to Alex Jensen.

Were Terry Stotts and Dave Joerger even interviewed?

You misconstrue my point ... IMO, none of those guys should be getting $10M/yr deals.

As I understand it, the Cavs considered a bunch of people but their goal was to cut it down to 3 before dragging Dan in to the process.

A lot of candidates were weeded out early in the process either by our choice or theirs own.

I just don't think we should dump on a deal before we even know what the deal is. Since there are zero details to be found on jb's deal or his extension, we may never know.

Change is here, which was needed, time to embrace it, regardless what Dan paid for it because it is ultimately irrelevant anyways.

I'm not dumping on the deal, I was just pointing out that until the negotiations wrap up and he signs on the dotted line he's not our coach. Things could break down, and if he suddenly asked for a bunch more money, we could walk away. It's just a hypothetical you felt like refuting.

[JujitsuFlip]

You misconstrue my point ... IMO, none of those guys should be getting $10M/yr deals.

As I understand it, the Cavs considered a bunch of people but their goal was to cut it down to 3 before dragging Dan in to the process.

A lot of candidates were weeded out early in the process either by our choice or theirs own.

I just don't think we should dump on a deal before we even know what the deal is. Since there are zero details to be found on jb's deal or his extension, we may never know.

Change is here, which was needed, time to embrace it, regardless what Dan paid for it because it is ultimately irrelevant anyways.

I'm not dumping on the deal, I was just pointing out that until the negotiations wrap up and he signs on the dotted line he's not our coach. Things could break down, and if he suddenly asked for a bunch more money, we could walk away. It's just a hypothetical you felt like refuting.

Yeah bc its not gonna happen lol