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[JonFromVA]

This is such an absurd fiction.

He didn't do much better at the end of the year when Garland was out and he was given the keys to actually run the offense finding people under the basket or kicking out? Guess it was someone else on the team doing all of that.

If you truly believe that all three of the coaching staffs over the last three seasons were so grossly incompetent as to tell Sexton to just go get his and not worry about anything else, then you should start the petition to get Bickerstaff fired right now. That's Byron Scott level coaching malpractice. This is debate I'm happy to continue after he's traded because if I go all in now, we likely get back a KPJ return.

Do you have insider knowledge that Leon Rose does all his scouting on the RealGM team forums or something?

[JonFromVA]

This dude is joking but this is about 2/3rds of the Knicks board

Lowry, Sexton, and Lonzo?

I wouldn't want to sell the farm for any of those guys either.

[Stillwater]

This is such an absurd fiction.

He didn't do much better at the end of the year when Garland was out and he was given the keys to actually run the offense finding people under the basket or kicking out? Guess it was someone else on the team doing all of that.

If you truly believe that all three of the coaching staffs over the last three seasons were so grossly incompetent as to tell Sexton to just go get his and not worry about anything else, then you should start the petition to get Bickerstaff fired right now. That's Byron Scott level coaching malpractice. This is debate I'm happy to continue after he's traded because if I go all in now, we likely get back a KPJ return.

I think the reasonable reality is a score first guard given free reign as a starter for 3 seasons was doing exactly what they wanted from him a lot of the time or he would not have remained in the starting line up...you act as if they just over played a guy who never did what they wanted out of him smh
It is one thing to criticize him for trying to do too much on his own and stagnate the offense in the process, it is another thing to complain about that and ignore that the offense sucked without him too and DG at the same time rarely took advantage of the looks he had with teams playing him to pass. If DG was any fkn good he would have let it fly a lot so defenders had no clue what he was doing and then Sexton would not have had so much defensive gravity.
I dont think Sexton even wants to be a pass first guard and that has always been the real issue with him...not this delusional rational that a starter in the NBA cant find some teammates on simple call outs
sometimes I think some on here are J.R or GHills ghost accounts

[Revenged25]

Man all of the bad shots that Booker too these past 2-3 minutes, but no one on Phoenix sees it as such since they know he's their best chance at scoring...

[JonFromVA]

Man all of the bad shots that Booker too these past 2-3 minutes, but no one on Phoenix sees it as such since they know he's their best chance at scoring...

As long as he looks like a "killer" doing it, Kobe fans will approve.

[jbk1234]

He didn't do much better at the end of the year when Garland was out and he was given the keys to actually run the offense finding people under the basket or kicking out? Guess it was someone else on the team doing all of that.

If you truly believe that all three of the coaching staffs over the last three seasons were so grossly incompetent as to tell Sexton to just go get his and not worry about anything else, then you should start the petition to get Bickerstaff fired right now. That's Byron Scott level coaching malpractice. This is debate I'm happy to continue after he's traded because if I go all in now, we likely get back a KPJ return.

I think the reasonable reality is a score first guard given free reign as a starter for 3 seasons was doing exactly what they wanted from him a lot of the time or he would not have remained in the starting line up...you act as if they just over played a guy who never did what they wanted out of him smh
It is one thing to criticize him for trying to do too much on his own and stagnate the offense in the process, it is another thing to complain about that and ignore that the offense sucked without him too and DG at the same time rarely took advantage of the looks he had with teams playing him to pass. If DG was any fkn good he would have let it fly a lot so defenders had no clue what he was doing and then Sexton would not have had so much defensive gravity.
I dont think Sexton even wants to be a pass first guard and that has always been the real issue with him...not this delusional rational that a starter in the NBA cant find some teammates on simple call outs
sometimes I think some on here are J.R or GHills ghost accounts

So passing the ball, getting his teammates involved in the offense, and playing even replacement-level defense were all things that not one, but three separate coaching staffs failed to address with him?

Is that your final answer? Would you maybe like to phone a friend?

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[Stillwater]

If you truly believe that all three of the coaching staffs over the last three seasons were so grossly incompetent as to tell Sexton to just go get his and not worry about anything else, then you should start the petition to get Bickerstaff fired right now. That's Byron Scott level coaching malpractice. This is debate I'm happy to continue after he's traded because if I go all in now, we likely get back a KPJ return.

I think the reasonable reality is a score first guard given free reign as a starter for 3 seasons was doing exactly what they wanted from him a lot of the time or he would not have remained in the starting line up...you act as if they just over played a guy who never did what they wanted out of him smh
It is one thing to criticize him for trying to do too much on his own and stagnate the offense in the process, it is another thing to complain about that and ignore that the offense sucked without him too and DG at the same time rarely took advantage of the looks he had with teams playing him to pass. If DG was any fkn good he would have let it fly a lot so defenders had no clue what he was doing and then Sexton would not have had so much defensive gravity.
I dont think Sexton even wants to be a pass first guard and that has always been the real issue with him...not this delusional rational that a starter in the NBA cant find some teammates on simple call outs
sometimes I think some on here are J.R or GHills ghost accounts

So passing the ball, getting his teammates involved in the offense, and playing even replacement-level defense were all things that not one, but three separate coaching staffs never addressed with him?

Is that your final answer? Would you maybe like to phone a friend?

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nothing is that black and white there is a ton of gray area and your taking this hard stance looks ignorant imo
Of course they wanted him to pass more... except fir when the ball found the fkn basket lol
It is no different then them probably wanting DG to score more except for when he makes a solid dime that results in a score smh

[JonFromVA]

I think the reasonable reality is a score first guard given free reign as a starter for 3 seasons was doing exactly what they wanted from him a lot of the time or he would not have remained in the starting line up...you act as if they just over played a guy who never did what they wanted out of him smh
It is one thing to criticize him for trying to do too much on his own and stagnate the offense in the process, it is another thing to complain about that and ignore that the offense sucked without him too and DG at the same time rarely took advantage of the looks he had with teams playing him to pass. If DG was any fkn good he would have let it fly a lot so defenders had no clue what he was doing and then Sexton would not have had so much defensive gravity.
I dont think Sexton even wants to be a pass first guard and that has always been the real issue with him...not this delusional rational that a starter in the NBA cant find some teammates on simple call outs
sometimes I think some on here are J.R or GHills ghost accounts

So passing the ball, getting his teammates involved in the offense, and playing even replacement-level defense were all things that not one, but three separate coaching staffs never addressed with him?

Is that your final answer? Would you maybe like to phone a friend?

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nothing is that black and white there is a ton of gray area and your taking this hard stance looks ignorant imo
Of course they wanted him to pass more... except fir when the ball found the fkn basket lol
It is no different then them probably wanting DG to score more except for when he makes a solid dime that results in a score smh

Collin's basketball instincts are on display every game he takes the court. For someone who prides himself on analyzing prospects, you have a blind spot when it comes to Collin. Collin is a terrific athlete and has trained his way thanks to his drive and dedication to becoming very good in the areas he can develop in a gym. It's everything else that involves 4 other guys (and not just the ball) we all need to be keeping a close eye on and tracking.

If you could accept this quote from when Collin was a rookie:

It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard... They know he's 19 and he only played one year of college ball. They still think he's a nice kid. But they see his deficiencies, they know he's going to be on the court, and they're discouraged when after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

I think you could see him more clearly and where he's improved and where he hasn't since.

[toooskies]

There's plenty of tracking stats out there to measure Sexton's "selfishness" and you'd think he'd be clearly the worst in the league in those measures, but he's merely at the level of a lot of ballhandlers who score as much as he does (either PGs or superstars). Guys like Trae and Luka have like 50% more time of possession than Sexton. The whole "he isn't going to pass to you" taunt was just trash talk, Sexton isn't exceptionally selfish relative to his role on the team.

But one thing that does come up is that Cedi shot 19% on threes after Sexton's passes. Dotson shot 25%. Okoro shot 29%. How much of that is on Sexton and how much is that they just shot poorly? Is his passing placement bad? Is he putting them in bad situations late in the clock?

[Revenged25]

There's plenty of tracking stats out there to measure Sexton's "selfishness" and you'd think he'd be clearly the worst in the league in those measures, but he's merely at the level of a lot of ballhandlers who score as much as he does (either PGs or superstars). Guys like Trae and Luka have like 50% more time of possession than Sexton. The whole "he isn't going to pass to you" taunt was just trash talk, Sexton isn't exceptionally selfish relative to his role on the team.

But one thing that does come up is that Cedi shot 19% on threes after Sexton's passes. Dotson shot 25%. Okoro shot 29%. How much of that is on Sexton and how much is that they just shot poorly? Is his passing placement bad? Is he putting them in bad situations late in the clock?

What was it when assisted by other players? Any other way to check when they shot etc. Also how long after the pass do they count for them to take the shot. Lots of things to consider but definitely something to look at.

[JonFromVA]

There's plenty of tracking stats out there to measure Sexton's "selfishness" and you'd think he'd be clearly the worst in the league in those measures, but he's merely at the level of a lot of ballhandlers who score as much as he does (either PGs or superstars). Guys like Trae and Luka have like 50% more time of possession than Sexton. The whole "he isn't going to pass to you" taunt was just trash talk, Sexton isn't exceptionally selfish relative to his role on the team.

But one thing that does come up is that Cedi shot 19% on threes after Sexton's passes. Dotson shot 25%. Okoro shot 29%. How much of that is on Sexton and how much is that they just shot poorly? Is his passing placement bad? Is he putting them in bad situations late in the clock?

Everything has nuance to it, even the complaints about his selfishness. When a teammate is following the play and works hard to get open and doesn't receive the pass, he's going to feel like the guy with the ball in his hands doesn't know what he's doing or suffers tunnel vision and he's simply going to stop trying.

The vets understand these guys are young and they're going to have a lot more patience with a player who's actively listening,trying to learn, and improving. So, when they speak out, it's going to be because they feel the young player is being stubborn rather than simply raw.

There are ways to work-around some of these limitations, and that's why you'll see Cavs coaches emphasize that Collin needs to make faster decisions with the ball. So, no, I wouldn't expect Collin's "time of possession" when playing next to Garland to be anything close to Trae or Luka.

[jbk1234]

There's plenty of tracking stats out there to measure Sexton's "selfishness" and you'd think he'd be clearly the worst in the league in those measures, but he's merely at the level of a lot of ballhandlers who score as much as he does (either PGs or superstars). Guys like Trae and Luka have like 50% more time of possession than Sexton. The whole "he isn't going to pass to you" taunt was just trash talk, Sexton isn't exceptionally selfish relative to his role on the team.

But one thing that does come up is that Cedi shot 19% on threes after Sexton's passes. Dotson shot 25%. Okoro shot 29%. How much of that is on Sexton and how much is that they just shot poorly? Is his passing placement bad? Is he putting them in bad situations late in the clock?

Here's the usage numbers for all starters in the NBA: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/usage/?sort=USG_PCT&dir=-1&Season=2020-21&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StarterBench=Starters

[KuruptedCav]

This board is going to be unbearable after Sexton is traded.

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Do you really believe they are trading him with the kind of trash proposals on these boards? not that it is a true indicator of what will happen, but a strong indicator of how low his value is to most teams currently who are assuming he wants a max extension as the basis for the trade rumors in the first place , but unless they are dead set on trading him just to rid them self of him, which seems heel of the year award worthy and an instant pink slip guarantee worthy... then there is no reason to actually think he will be traded and there is actually far more likely scenario he signs an extension soon and all this crap swirls away

No one is assuming that he wants a max extension. He wants a max extension.

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Every player wants a max extension. The question is what lengths he’ll go to to secure it…


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[Stillwater]

So passing the ball, getting his teammates involved in the offense, and playing even replacement-level defense were all things that not one, but three separate coaching staffs never addressed with him?

Is that your final answer? Would you maybe like to phone a friend?

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nothing is that black and white there is a ton of gray area and your taking this hard stance looks ignorant imo
Of course they wanted him to pass more... except fir when the ball found the fkn basket lol
It is no different then them probably wanting DG to score more except for when he makes a solid dime that results in a score smh

Collin's basketball instincts are on display every game he takes the court. For someone who prides himself on analyzing prospects, you have a blind spot when it comes to Collin. Collin is a terrific athlete and has trained his way thanks to his drive and dedication to becoming very good in the areas he can develop in a gym. It's everything else that involves 4 other guys (and not just the ball) we all need to be keeping a close eye on and tracking.

If you could accept this quote from when Collin was a rookie:

It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard... They know he's 19 and he only played one year of college ball. They still think he's a nice kid. But they see his deficiencies, they know he's going to be on the court, and they're discouraged when after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

I think you could see him more clearly and where he's improved and where he hasn't since.

Started playing basketball when he was 3 lol this separation between understanding what his detractors are seeing vs what is actually happening is a vast ocean of mud.
He consistently dished out a lot of dimes whenever he played with team usa or anyone else that actually had better scoring options on the same team and the rest of the time he was the first option and consistently scored impressive numbers on teams that went to championships because of him.
These ideas that he is some raw no nothing pg because some veteran jealous player or players left behind in the wake of Lebrons departure needed a patsy for their shortcomings with out Lebron or that this clown show org thought taking the bpa at 5 in the next draft that needs to pass first to be effective is just plain laughable to me as justification to assume Sexton if he had a legit 1st option on the same roster better than him he would not be dropping 10 dimes a night in that secondary role

[JonFromVA]

nothing is that black and white there is a ton of gray area and your taking this hard stance looks ignorant imo
Of course they wanted him to pass more... except fir when the ball found the fkn basket lol
It is no different then them probably wanting DG to score more except for when he makes a solid dime that results in a score smh

Collin's basketball instincts are on display every game he takes the court. For someone who prides himself on analyzing prospects, you have a blind spot when it comes to Collin. Collin is a terrific athlete and has trained his way thanks to his drive and dedication to becoming very good in the areas he can develop in a gym. It's everything else that involves 4 other guys (and not just the ball) we all need to be keeping a close eye on and tracking.

If you could accept this quote from when Collin was a rookie:

It's becoming increasingly clear that when you hear a Cavs veteran talk about younger players not knowing their role, or knowing how to win, or what to do on the court, they mean Sexton. Throughout the organization, the line on Sexton is that he does not 'know how to play.' He doesn't know how to defend the pick and roll. He doesn't know how to set up teammates as a point guard... They know he's 19 and he only played one year of college ball. They still think he's a nice kid. But they see his deficiencies, they know he's going to be on the court, and they're discouraged when after these losses, he doesn't seem bothered by them."

I think you could see him more clearly and where he's improved and where he hasn't since.

Started playing basketball when he was 3 lol this separation between understanding what his detractors are seeing vs what is actually happening is a vast ocean of mud.
He consistently dished out a lot of dimes whenever he played with team usa or anyone else that actually had better scoring options on the same team and the rest of the time he was the first option and consistently scored impressive numbers on teams that went to championships because of him.
These ideas that he is some raw no nothing pg because some veteran jealous player or players left behind in the wake of Lebrons departure needed a patsy for their shortcomings with out Lebron or that this clown show org thought taking the bpa at 5 in the next draft that needs to pass first to be effective is just plain laughable to me as justification to assume Sexton if he had a legit 1st option on the same roster better than him he would not be dropping 10 dimes a night in that secondary role

You do realize when you say things like this that Matthew Dellevedova who will not be playing in the NBA next season averaged more assists per game than Collin in half the minutes?

[Stillwater]

Collin's basketball instincts are on display every game he takes the court. For someone who prides himself on analyzing prospects, you have a blind spot when it comes to Collin. Collin is a terrific athlete and has trained his way thanks to his drive and dedication to becoming very good in the areas he can develop in a gym. It's everything else that involves 4 other guys (and not just the ball) we all need to be keeping a close eye on and tracking.

If you could accept this quote from when Collin was a rookie:



I think you could see him more clearly and where he's improved and where he hasn't since.

Started playing basketball when he was 3 lol this separation between understanding what his detractors are seeing vs what is actually happening is a vast ocean of mud.
He consistently dished out a lot of dimes whenever he played with team usa or anyone else that actually had better scoring options on the same team and the rest of the time he was the first option and consistently scored impressive numbers on teams that went to championships because of him.
These ideas that he is some raw no nothing pg because some veteran jealous player or players left behind in the wake of Lebrons departure needed a patsy for their shortcomings with out Lebron or that this clown show org thought taking the bpa at 5 in the next draft that needs to pass first to be effective is just plain laughable to me as justification to assume Sexton if he had a legit 1st option on the same roster better than him he would not be dropping 10 dimes a night in that secondary role

You do realize when you say things like this that Matthew Dellevedova who will not be playing in the NBA next season averaged more assists per game than Collin in half the minutes?

LOL what part about being the first option do you not understand??? of course he isnt going to pass more than Delly whos main objective is to find teammates or set them up because he is not a capable 1 on 1 scorer lol
I really think some of you think we are talking about jr high basketball players here where noone has established themselves and the best option because nobody is skilled at much of anything yet

[JonFromVA]

Started playing basketball when he was 3 lol this separation between understanding what his detractors are seeing vs what is actually happening is a vast ocean of mud.
He consistently dished out a lot of dimes whenever he played with team usa or anyone else that actually had better scoring options on the same team and the rest of the time he was the first option and consistently scored impressive numbers on teams that went to championships because of him.
These ideas that he is some raw no nothing pg because some veteran jealous player or players left behind in the wake of Lebrons departure needed a patsy for their shortcomings with out Lebron or that this clown show org thought taking the bpa at 5 in the next draft that needs to pass first to be effective is just plain laughable to me as justification to assume Sexton if he had a legit 1st option on the same roster better than him he would not be dropping 10 dimes a night in that secondary role

You do realize when you say things like this that Matthew Dellevedova who will not be playing in the NBA next season averaged more assists per game than Collin in half the minutes?

LOL what part about being the first option do you not understand??? of course he isnt going to pass more than Delly whos main objective is to find teammates or set them up because he is not a capable 1 on 1 scorer lol
I really think some of you think we are talking about jr high basketball players here where noone has established themselves and the best option because nobody is skilled at much of anything yet

You said the roster was holding Collin back ... yet a player who's about as close to a zero threat to score the ball as exists in the NBA can create easy shots for those same teammates.

They're basically polar opposites, and yet ... one struggles to score the ball, while the other struggles to pass the ball and hence both invite defenders to cheat.

If Collin doesn't want to see double and triple teams, all he has to do is figure out who they're leaving open. What does that take? A grade school understanding of the game? Actually manipulating the defense to get that player a better shot? Maybe jr high?

[KuruptedCav]

You do realize when you say things like this that Matthew Dellevedova who will not be playing in the NBA next season averaged more assists per game than Collin in half the minutes?

LOL what part about being the first option do you not understand??? of course he isnt going to pass more than Delly whos main objective is to find teammates or set them up because he is not a capable 1 on 1 scorer lol
I really think some of you think we are talking about jr high basketball players here where noone has established themselves and the best option because nobody is skilled at much of anything yet

You said the roster was holding Collin back ... yet a player who's about as close to a zero threat to score the ball as exists in the NBA can create easy shots for those same teammates.

They're basically polar opposites, and yet ... one struggles to score the ball, while the other struggles to pass the ball and hence both invite defenders to cheat.

If Collin doesn't want to see double and triple teams, all he has to do is figure out who they're leaving open. What does that take? A grade school understanding of the game? Actually manipulating the defense to get that player a better shot? Maybe jr high?

Delly passing to Collin vs Collin passing to Delly likely has two very different assist outcomes…


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[Stillwater]

You do realize when you say things like this that Matthew Dellevedova who will not be playing in the NBA next season averaged more assists per game than Collin in half the minutes?

LOL what part about being the first option do you not understand??? of course he isnt going to pass more than Delly whos main objective is to find teammates or set them up because he is not a capable 1 on 1 scorer lol
I really think some of you think we are talking about jr high basketball players here where noone has established themselves and the best option because nobody is skilled at much of anything yet

You said the roster was holding Collin back ... yet a player who's about as close to a zero threat to score the ball as exists in the NBA can create easy shots for those same teammates.

They're basically polar opposites, and yet ... one struggles to score the ball, while the other struggles to pass the ball and hence both invite defenders to cheat.

If Collin doesn't want to see double and triple teams, all he has to do is figure out who they're leaving open. What does that take? A grade school understanding of the game? Actually manipulating the defense to get that player a better shot? Maybe jr high?

How many times should he be passing to teammates that dont covert ? How many times would you if the team was depending on you to score? I just dont think the issue is at all a lack of understanding of the game at all it is a level of competitiveness that doesn't wait for plays to develop and forces plays to happen or just goes for it when they dont.
I would like to see him make faster decisions and for them to keep the ball moving and see if it can work but often times he gets himself open and is the shooter

[KuruptedCav]

LOL what part about being the first option do you not understand??? of course he isnt going to pass more than Delly whos main objective is to find teammates or set them up because he is not a capable 1 on 1 scorer lol
I really think some of you think we are talking about jr high basketball players here where noone has established themselves and the best option because nobody is skilled at much of anything yet

You said the roster was holding Collin back ... yet a player who's about as close to a zero threat to score the ball as exists in the NBA can create easy shots for those same teammates.

They're basically polar opposites, and yet ... one struggles to score the ball, while the other struggles to pass the ball and hence both invite defenders to cheat.

If Collin doesn't want to see double and triple teams, all he has to do is figure out who they're leaving open. What does that take? A grade school understanding of the game? Actually manipulating the defense to get that player a better shot? Maybe jr high?

How many times should he be passing to teammates that dont covert ? How many times would you if the team was depending on you to score? I just dont think the issue is at all a lack of understanding of the game at all it is a level of competitiveness that doesn't wait for plays to develop and forces plays to happen or just goes for it when they dont.
I would like to see him make faster decisions and for them to keep the ball moving and see if it can work but often times he gets himself open and is the shooter

I just wish he’d shoot more or take an acting class and get to the line on the drive.


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