Trade Ideas

[toooskies]

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

Holiday is pretty solid.

But Aaron Holiday makes enough to be able to affect the cap/tax-- you can't trade a minimum contract for him if you're the Lakers, and even if they could the tax bill would be unfriendly. Not every team can get him, and not every team needs PG depth. (You can if you're the Cavs, because they have a trade exception and room under the tax if they send a minimum contract back, and the Cavs really do need PG depth right now.)

[JonFromVA]

According to Jake Fischer, "The Thunder's asking price for Kenrich Williams is a first-round pick."

I suppose that's some confirmation the Thunder do have him on the market, and I wonder if one of our seconds would ultimately get it done. If so, he could be a nice add regardless of what we do with Rubio.

Why is everybody so obsessed with a 27 year old who didnt play in the league until he was 24 that averages 7/4/1.

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

Dort is quite the load, but from what little we saw of the two in our last game, I liked Williams better.

If we were going to deep dive on Williams, we'd want to know things like how's he done when matched up with the sort of superstar wings we're going to see in the playoffs. He'd also make it easier to part with any of our other wings if the right deal came along.

[JonFromVA]

He's probably the best player a team could get that carries little to no cap impact. Shoots pretty well, plays decent defense, doesn't make many mistakes. So pretty much any team could put in a bid for him.

Ultimately he's barely going to move the needle unless you need the depth, but the same could be said for 2nd round picks. I wouldn't offer a 1st for him, but the Lakers might. If I'm offering a 1st I probably want Dort.

Holiday is pretty solid.

But Aaron Holiday makes enough to be able to affect the cap/tax-- you can't trade a minimum contract for him if you're the Lakers, and even if they could the tax bill would be unfriendly. Not every team can get him, and not every team needs PG depth. (You can if you're the Cavs, because they have a trade exception and room under the tax if they send a minimum contract back, and the Cavs really do need PG depth right now.)

Yep, Holiday addresses different needs. Williams is a good passer, but he's more of a PJ Tucker type.

[JonFromVA]

I just checked my notifications, and one was from a blow-it-up thread on the Portland board where the two people who replied didn't completely dismiss the idea of trading CJ for Rubio, Cedi, and a pick. If we could get Williams, he could replace Cedi in our rotation.

So, just an example of how a guy like Williams might suddenly become relevant at the deadline.

[jbk1234]

I just checked my notifications, and one was from a blow-it-up thread on the Portland board where the two people who replied didn't completely dismiss the idea of trading CJ for Rubio, Cedi, and a pick. If we could get Williams, he could replace Cedi in our rotation.

So, just an example of how a guy like Williams might suddenly become relevant at the deadline.

The worst kept secret in the NBA is CJ still on the Blazers roster after the deadline is an L for the Blazers. They really don't want his contract on the books going forward. Simons is going to be an RFA this summer. Most of the league isn't sure CJ is worth the rest of his contract and his market is really limited. I think they're still praying for a miracle with Ben Simmons but that's not happening. There best available assets outside of CJ are Simons who needs to be paid, Nance (who's hurt again I think) and future firsts that are years out. I strongly, strongly suspect that Morey is jamming up some of our future trading partners though.

[JonFromVA]

I just checked my notifications, and one was from a blow-it-up thread on the Portland board where the two people who replied didn't completely dismiss the idea of trading CJ for Rubio, Cedi, and a pick. If we could get Williams, he could replace Cedi in our rotation.

So, just an example of how a guy like Williams might suddenly become relevant at the deadline.

The worst kept secret in the NBA is CJ still on the Blazers roster after the deadline is an L for the Blazers. They really don't want his contract on the books going forward. Simons is going to be an RFA this summer. Most of the league isn't sure CJ is worth the rest of his contract and his market is really limited. I think they're still praying for a miracle with Ben Simmons but that's not happening. There best available assets outside of CJ are Simons who needs to be paid, Nance (who's hurt again I think) and future firsts that are years out. I strongly, strongly suspect that Morey is jamming up some of our future trading partners though.

Yep, everyone wants to know what if anything will happen with Simmons, Lillard, and Beal or if Boston decides to split up the Jays - before making a move.

However, accepting best available offer for a fan favorite is always a tough pill to swallow ... dang if Warriors fans didn't boo Joe Lacob during Chris Mullin's retirement salary because he "dumped" Monta Ellis for Andrew Bogut to pave the way for Steph.

[Harper4Ferry?]

I’d like Jerami Grant but he seems to be injury prone and would be expensive in trade. But he would fill a scoring and defensive need.

[jbk1234]

I’d like Jerami Grant but he seems to be injury prone and would be expensive in trade. But he would fill a scoring and defensive need.

He's not a SF and playing him out of position won't make him one.

[LivingLegend]

lets stop talking about random players nobody has ever heard of for a TPE and actually make a move.

Toss in CLE 22' 1st and HOU 2nd and lets contend for championships for the next decade

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf6qllwh

[jbk1234]

:wink:

lets stop talking about random players nobody has ever heard of for a TPE and actually make a move.

Toss in CLE 22' 1st and HOU 2nd and lets contend for championships for the next decade

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf6qllwh

You've got to wait for Griffin to get fired first because he won't trade Ingram.

[JonFromVA]

:wink:

lets stop talking about random players nobody has ever heard of for a TPE and actually make a move.

Toss in CLE 22' 1st and HOU 2nd and lets contend for championships for the next decade

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf6qllwh

You've got to wait for Griffin to get fired first because he won't trade Ingram.

I love ripping off other GM's or helping them with their cap trouble; but to pull off some trades we need to deal talent for talent, need for need. Unfortunately Collin doesn't have much value, and I'm not sure why the Pelicans would even want him.

On the flip side ... I get why we'd be interested in Ingram, but dang Darius Garland outweighs him, he's having a down year in terms of shooting efficiency, his defense is questionable, as is his fit because of his ball dominance.

I apologize in advance if I took a joke post seriously.

[LivingLegend]

:wink:

lets stop talking about random players nobody has ever heard of for a TPE and actually make a move.

Toss in CLE 22' 1st and HOU 2nd and lets contend for championships for the next decade

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yf6qllwh

You've got to wait for Griffin to get fired first because he won't trade Ingram.

I love ripping off other GM's or helping them with their cap trouble; but to pull off some trades we need to deal talent for talent, need for need. Unfortunately Collin doesn't have much value, and I'm not sure why the Pelicans would even want him.

On the flip side ... I get why we'd be interested in Ingram, but dang Darius Garland outweighs him, he's having a down year in terms of shooting efficiency, his defense is questionable, as is his fit because of his ball dominance.

I apologize in advance if I took a joke post seriously.

I think the reason they might move on from him is to find a better fit for Zion, which Ingram ain't it. They have no real play initiator on that offense and that's where Sexton could be a better fit than Ingram.

Plus a bunch ofraft picks and Rubio's expiring to help actually build a real team around Zion if they are serious about it.

It's not going to happen but hey it's fun to dream.

In Cleveland Ingram would be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense which is exactly where he needs to be. Not playing primary like he is in NO.

[JonFromVA]

You've got to wait for Griffin to get fired first because he won't trade Ingram.

I love ripping off other GM's or helping them with their cap trouble; but to pull off some trades we need to deal talent for talent, need for need. Unfortunately Collin doesn't have much value, and I'm not sure why the Pelicans would even want him.

On the flip side ... I get why we'd be interested in Ingram, but dang Darius Garland outweighs him, he's having a down year in terms of shooting efficiency, his defense is questionable, as is his fit because of his ball dominance.

I apologize in advance if I took a joke post seriously.

I think the reason they might move on from him is to find a better fit for Zion, which Ingram ain't it. They have no real play initiator on that offense and that's where Sexton could be a better fit than Ingram.

Plus a bunch ofraft picks and Rubio's expiring to help actually build a real team around Zion if they are serious about it.

It's not going to happen but hey it's fun to dream.

In Cleveland Ingram would be a 2nd or 3rd option on offense which is exactly where he needs to be. Not playing primary like he is in NO.

New Orleans needs to accept that and then BI would need to as well, but admittedly I've seen stranger things.

[jbk1234]

I didn't realize that Holiday is unvaccinated. That's problematic as a trade target.

[jbk1234]

Spurs are reportedly interested in Cedi. I add our first and the Spurs 2nd to turn him into Vassell.

[toooskies]

Spurs are reportedly interested in Cedi. I add our first and the Spurs 2nd to turn him into Vassell.

That rumor makes me wonder, because who is interested in just Cedi?

[LivingLegend]

Saw a good name on the Chase Down Podcast they mentioned as a target-- Luke Kennard.

[jbk1234]

Spurs are reportedly interested in Cedi. I add our first and the Spurs 2nd to turn him into Vassell.

That rumor makes me wonder, because who is interested in just Cedi?

People underrate the value of sub-MLE contracts to balance out a roster. The Spurs have never been a three max contract team. I worry that instead of adding draft capital and getting a guy like Vassell, we're going to take back White, who's a poor shooter from 3. There's a lot I like about White, but the Cavs absolutely have to be careful with consideration given where Allen/Mobley operate offensively on the court.

[Harper4Ferry?]

Is Dinwiddie going to continue to be trash? Cause I really liked him for a couple years there and I think he’d do well with what we’re doing. But not if he can’t shoot anymore.

[jbk1234]

Is Dinwiddie going to continue to be trash? Cause I really liked him for a couple years there and I think he’d do well with what we’re doing. But not if he can’t shoot anymore.

There's nothing Dinwiddie does particularly well after coming of his last injury. I have him as a bad contract.