2024-25 Regular Season

[jbk1234]

Well now that Mobley is inked up, our future is set. But I’m a little annoyed we haven’t made any real additions to the roster yet. Granted, we’re limited on what we can do, but still…

The Okoro situation is still unresolved and we won't know what cap space, if any, we have to work with until it does. The Jazz are the only team with real cap space left and they're probably waiting until Lauri is able to be renegotiated and extended.

Once those shoes drop, I expect more movement league wide.

[JujitsuFlip]

Well now that Mobley is inked up, our future is set. But I’m a little annoyed we haven’t made any real additions to the roster yet. Granted, we’re limited on what we can do, but still…

Our team is pretty locked in but i agree, stinks we're running it back with no outside additions.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro (RFA)/Tyson
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Since the Cavs are dodging the tax again, gonna leave spot 15 open. Cavs have 1 standard contract to offer and still need to fill all 3 two-way slots.

[jbk1234]

I'm attempting to mitigate my enthusiasm about Tyson because it was SL, but he was the best player on the SL roster by a pretty wide margin. At this point, the Cavs should be asking themselves whether LeVert AND Okoro should still be on the roster when the season starts.

I worry Tyson won't get enough minutes for the game to slow down by the playoffs if he's buried on the bench. Also, Okoro playing on the Q.O. could become problematic if he starts playing for his next contract and/or his minutes get cut now that JB is gone.

[JonFromVA]

I'm attempting to mitigate my enthusiasm about Tyson because it was SL, but he was the best player on the SL roster by a pretty wide margin. At this point, the Cavs should be asking themselves whether LeVert AND Okoro should still be on the roster when the season starts.

I worry Tyson won't get enough minutes for the game to slow down by the playoffs if he's buried on the bench. Also, Okoro playing on the Q.O. could become problematic if he starts playing for his next contract and/or his minutes get cut now that JB is gone.

The Cavs aren't pushing Tyson's timeline forward because of how he played in Summer League.

[JonFromVA]

Well now that Mobley is inked up, our future is set. But I’m a little annoyed we haven’t made any real additions to the roster yet. Granted, we’re limited on what we can do, but still…

Our team is pretty locked in but i agree, stinks we're running it back with no outside additions.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro (RFA)/Tyson
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Since the Cavs are dodging the tax again, gonna leave spot 15 open. Cavs have 1 standard contract to offer and still need to fill all 3 two-way slots.

Well, the off-season isn't quite over yet ... Altman has made a couple of huge late Summer moves in the past, but if the difference between Atkinson and Bickerstaff is what we expect it to be, the trade value of the roster is going to increase and put us in a much stronger position when it comes to trades.

[JujitsuFlip]

Well now that Mobley is inked up, our future is set. But I’m a little annoyed we haven’t made any real additions to the roster yet. Granted, we’re limited on what we can do, but still…

Our team is pretty locked in but i agree, stinks we're running it back with no outside additions.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro (RFA)/Tyson
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Since the Cavs are dodging the tax again, gonna leave spot 15 open. Cavs have 1 standard contract to offer and still need to fill all 3 two-way slots.

Well, the off-season isn't quite over yet ... Altman has made a couple of huge late Summer moves in the past, but if the difference between Atkinson and Bickerstaff is what we expect it to be, the trade value of the roster is going to increase and put us in a much stronger position when it comes to trades.

True, the Lauri trade happened in late August and the Mitchell trade happened in early September.

I just don't know what we could even get for Okoro and if the packaged had to be expanded who else we would want to include.

It being almost August though i wonder at what point Okoro just signs the QO or if that is not even an option for him and his camp.

[JonFromVA]

Our team is pretty locked in but i agree, stinks we're running it back with no outside additions.

Garland/TJ/CPJ
Mitchell/LeVert/Merrill
Strus/Wade/Okoro (RFA)/Tyson
Mobley/Niang
Allen

Since the Cavs are dodging the tax again, gonna leave spot 15 open. Cavs have 1 standard contract to offer and still need to fill all 3 two-way slots.

Well, the off-season isn't quite over yet ... Altman has made a couple of huge late Summer moves in the past, but if the difference between Atkinson and Bickerstaff is what we expect it to be, the trade value of the roster is going to increase and put us in a much stronger position when it comes to trades.

True, the Lauri trade happened in late August and the Mitchell trade happened in early September.

I just don't know what we could even get for Okoro and if the packaged had to be expanded who else we would want to include.

It being almost August though i wonder at what point Okoro just signs the QO or if that is not even an option for him and his camp.

Okoro S&T scenarios are complex, not just because nobody else wants to pay him big bucks; but for him to get much more then the QO via a S&T it will trigger the BYC clause.

Fortunately, the Cavs are good at playing cap games.

[afarmenian]

I'm attempting to mitigate my enthusiasm about Tyson because it was SL, but he was the best player on the SL roster by a pretty wide margin. At this point, the Cavs should be asking themselves whether LeVert AND Okoro should still be on the roster when the season starts.

I worry Tyson won't get enough minutes for the game to slow down by the playoffs if he's buried on the bench. Also, Okoro playing on the Q.O. could become problematic if he starts playing for his next contract and/or his minutes get cut now that JB is gone.

I'm not I love his game I love what he's doing I think the Cavs got an absolute steal I dont know about star but he looks like cavs are going to have no choice but to play him if he keeps this up.

I think we need to get excited about him because he passes the eye test he passes the size test he passes the dog test there's not a lot of weakness in his game that I've seem.

The big if is yes its summer league and a limited sample but if he keeps playing like that and on into training camp and preseason the cavs will have no choice to but to play him and figure it out

[JujitsuFlip]

Well, the off-season isn't quite over yet ... Altman has made a couple of huge late Summer moves in the past, but if the difference between Atkinson and Bickerstaff is what we expect it to be, the trade value of the roster is going to increase and put us in a much stronger position when it comes to trades.

True, the Lauri trade happened in late August and the Mitchell trade happened in early September.

I just don't know what we could even get for Okoro and if the packaged had to be expanded who else we would want to include.

It being almost August though i wonder at what point Okoro just signs the QO or if that is not even an option for him and his camp.

Okoro S&T scenarios are complex, not just because nobody else wants to pay him big bucks; but for him to get much more then the QO via a S&T it will trigger the BYC clause.

Fortunately, the Cavs are good at playing cap games.

I forgot all about base year compensation, that complicates things for sure.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm attempting to mitigate my enthusiasm about Tyson because it was SL, but he was the best player on the SL roster by a pretty wide margin. At this point, the Cavs should be asking themselves whether LeVert AND Okoro should still be on the roster when the season starts.

I worry Tyson won't get enough minutes for the game to slow down by the playoffs if he's buried on the bench. Also, Okoro playing on the Q.O. could become problematic if he starts playing for his next contract and/or his minutes get cut now that JB is gone.

I'm not I love his game I love what he's doing I think the Cavs got an absolute steal I dont know about star but he looks like cavs are going to have no choice but to play him if he keeps this up.

I think we need to get excited about him because he passes the eye test he passes the size test he passes the dog test there's not a lot of weakness in his game that I've seem.

The big if is yes its summer league and a limited sample but if he keeps playing like that and on into training camp and preseason the cavs will have no choice to but to play him and figure it out

Kenny is gonna play 10 or 11 guys every night, so Tyson's pathway to minutes under the current roster construction is possible. I am just unsure what lineups he will excel in.

[JonFromVA]

I'm attempting to mitigate my enthusiasm about Tyson because it was SL, but he was the best player on the SL roster by a pretty wide margin. At this point, the Cavs should be asking themselves whether LeVert AND Okoro should still be on the roster when the season starts.

I worry Tyson won't get enough minutes for the game to slow down by the playoffs if he's buried on the bench. Also, Okoro playing on the Q.O. could become problematic if he starts playing for his next contract and/or his minutes get cut now that JB is gone.

I'm not I love his game I love what he's doing I think the Cavs got an absolute steal I dont know about star but he looks like cavs are going to have no choice but to play him if he keeps this up.

I think we need to get excited about him because he passes the eye test he passes the size test he passes the dog test there's not a lot of weakness in his game that I've seem.

The big if is yes its summer league and a limited sample but if he keeps playing like that and on into training camp and preseason the cavs will have no choice to but to play him and figure it out

Kenny is gonna play 10 or 11 guys every night, so Tyson's pathway to minutes under the current roster construction is possible. I am just unsure what lineups he will excel in.

We have a lot to learn about Atkinson too. He certainly found minutes for Allen and LeVert when they were rookies, but on an improved team he couldn't find many for Nic Claxton.

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm not I love his game I love what he's doing I think the Cavs got an absolute steal I dont know about star but he looks like cavs are going to have no choice but to play him if he keeps this up.

I think we need to get excited about him because he passes the eye test he passes the size test he passes the dog test there's not a lot of weakness in his game that I've seem.

The big if is yes its summer league and a limited sample but if he keeps playing like that and on into training camp and preseason the cavs will have no choice to but to play him and figure it out

Kenny is gonna play 10 or 11 guys every night, so Tyson's pathway to minutes under the current roster construction is possible. I am just unsure what lineups he will excel in.

We have a lot to learn about Atkinson too. He certainly found minutes for Allen and LeVert when they were rookies, but on an improved team he couldn't find many for Nic Claxton.

Claxton was injured so much his rookie season, then Kenny quit, and then the pandemic hit... I can't really put much stock in that. Especially since Kenny was still regularly playing 10 guys 10+ minutes every night. It is hard to find a 3rd string center who can't shoot minutes when the 1st string and 2nd string centers are the exact same archetype.

[JonFromVA]

Kenny is gonna play 10 or 11 guys every night, so Tyson's pathway to minutes under the current roster construction is possible. I am just unsure what lineups he will excel in.

We have a lot to learn about Atkinson too. He certainly found minutes for Allen and LeVert when they were rookies, but on an improved team he couldn't find many for Nic Claxton.

Claxton was injured so much his rookie season, then Kenny quit, and then the pandemic hit... I can't really put much stock in that. Especially since Kenny was still regularly playing 10 guys 10+ minutes every night. It is hard to find a 3rd string center who can't shoot minutes when the 1st string and 2nd string centers are the exact same archetype.

We have to see, but we also have to be careful about assuming Kenny will succeed at everything Bickerstaff struggled with.

[JujitsuFlip]

We have a lot to learn about Atkinson too. He certainly found minutes for Allen and LeVert when they were rookies, but on an improved team he couldn't find many for Nic Claxton.

Claxton was injured so much his rookie season, then Kenny quit, and then the pandemic hit... I can't really put much stock in that. Especially since Kenny was still regularly playing 10 guys 10+ minutes every night. It is hard to find a 3rd string center who can't shoot minutes when the 1st string and 2nd string centers are the exact same archetype.

We have to see, but we also have to be careful about assuming Kenny will succeed at everything Bickerstaff struggled with.

It is not difficult to play more than 8 guys 10+ minutes in the regular season, on a nightly basis. Kerr has did it for a decade and won 4 rings in the process.

It is all about trust and development, 2 things jb is a literal trash can at.

Are the Cavs gonna drop some regular season games that may have been winnable by not playing Mitchell 45+ minutes in a random game in December? Sure.

The end goal needs to be reaching at minimum the ECF this coming season. Whatever that looks like, we'll see. As of today the Celtics, 76ers, Knicks and maybe the Bucks have more talent than us. That being the case, we need to be more healthy than those teams and have a better game plan than those teams. The talent gap can be closed, in theory, with those 2 things.

[JonFromVA]

Claxton was injured so much his rookie season, then Kenny quit, and then the pandemic hit... I can't really put much stock in that. Especially since Kenny was still regularly playing 10 guys 10+ minutes every night. It is hard to find a 3rd string center who can't shoot minutes when the 1st string and 2nd string centers are the exact same archetype.

We have to see, but we also have to be careful about assuming Kenny will succeed at everything Bickerstaff struggled with.

It is not difficult to play more than 8 guys 10+ minutes in the regular season, on a nightly basis. Kerr has did it for a decade and won 4 rings in the process.

It is all about trust and development, 2 things jb is a literal trash can at.

Are the Cavs gonna drop some regular season games that may have been winnable by not playing Mitchell 45+ minutes in a random game in December? Sure.

The end goal needs to be reaching at minimum the ECF this coming season. Whatever that looks like, we'll see. As of today the Celtics, 76ers, Knicks and maybe the Bucks have more talent than us. That being the case, we need to be more healthy than those teams and have a better game plan than those teams. The talent gap can be closed, in theory, with those 2 things.

I'm hopeful, just cautious about banking on anything until we actually see the willingness and commitment.

[jbk1234]

Reggie Jackson just agreed to sign with the Sixers on the minimum. Waiting on Okoro is starting to hurt and if Okoro intends on playing on the QO absent a S&T, the Cavs should consider withdrawing it.

[JonFromVA]

Reggie Jackson just agreed to sign with the Sixers on the minimum. Waiting on Okoro is starting to hurt and if Okoro intends on playing on the QO absent a S&T, the Cavs should consider withdrawing it.

I'm fine with missing out on Jackson. We can always drop the QO if a better opportunity than waiting on Isaac comes along.

[jbk1234]

Reggie Jackson just agreed to sign with the Sixers on the minimum. Waiting on Okoro is starting to hurt and if Okoro intends on playing on the QO absent a S&T, the Cavs should consider withdrawing it.

I'm fine with missing out on Jackson. We can always drop the QO if a better opportunity than waiting on Isaac comes along.

Other than going into the tax a year early, what does Okoro playing on the Q.O. accomplish? For that matter, what does extending Okoro the Q.O. accomplish that Bird Rights don't as far as a S&T?

I'd at least be having a conversation with his agent about where this is headed if Lauri renegotiates and extends. Unlike you, I think losing out on an opportunity to bring in a guy like Jackson on a minimum hurts.

[JujitsuFlip]

Reggie Jackson just agreed to sign with the Sixers on the minimum. Waiting on Okoro is starting to hurt and if Okoro intends on playing on the QO absent a S&T, the Cavs should consider withdrawing it.

I'm fine with missing out on Jackson. We can always drop the QO if a better opportunity than waiting on Isaac comes along.

Other than going into the tax a year early, what does Okoro playing on the Q.O. accomplish? For that matter, what does extending Okoro the Q.O. accomplish that Bird Rights don't as far as a S&T?

I'd at least be having a conversation with his agent about where this is headed if Lauri renegotiates and extends. Unlike you, I think losing out on an opportunity to bring in a guy like Jackson on a minimum hurts.

I'll have to crunch the numbers this evening but if Okoro signs the QO, the Cavs go into the tax?

[jbk1234]

I'm fine with missing out on Jackson. We can always drop the QO if a better opportunity than waiting on Isaac comes along.

Other than going into the tax a year early, what does Okoro playing on the Q.O. accomplish? For that matter, what does extending Okoro the Q.O. accomplish that Bird Rights don't as far as a S&T?

I'd at least be having a conversation with his agent about where this is headed if Lauri renegotiates and extends. Unlike you, I think losing out on an opportunity to bring in a guy like Jackson on a minimum hurts.

I'll have to crunch the numbers this evening but if Okoro signs the QO, the Cavs go into the tax?

Assuming we don't shave a few million off of Niang's deal in a trade, we'll be just over.