Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6999300
Spurs get Nets pick and Cavs 2021 unprotected for the injured and disgruntled Leonard.
Cav's also get a decent rotation big and a solid defensive pg on a rookie deal

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6999567
If we are keeping the Nets pick for obvious reasons I would see if ORL has interest in IT3 send out our own 2018 ( 20-24 range projected)and fillers vet expiring Jose & upside of Zizic for Payton an expiring Hezonja and the defensive athletic 2/3 Iwundu.

[CaptainCanada]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6999567
If we are keeping the Nets pick for obvious reasons I would see if ORL has interest in IT3 send out our own 2018 ( 20-24 range projected)and fillers vet expiring Jose & upside of Zizic for Payton an expiring Hezonja and the defensive athletic 2/3 Iwundu.

Orlando trade alot closer than making a trade with Spurs. Spurs wouldn't trade Leonard to Cleveland.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6999567
If we are keeping the Nets pick for obvious reasons I would see if ORL has interest in IT3 send out our own 2018 ( 20-24 range projected)and fillers vet expiring Jose & upside of Zizic for Payton an expiring Hezonja and the defensive athletic 2/3 Iwundu.

Orlando trade alot closer than making a trade with Spurs. Spurs wouldn't trade Leonard to Cleveland.

neither is likely the direction we go and obviously the stop gap Orlando trade is possible. If Spurs and Leonard are beyond repair they will be thrilled to get 2 lottery picks for him but we both know they will patch it up.

[Roddy B for 3]

As none of the teams have cap space, that trade wouldn't work. I agree with you re: Kemba though.

My original trade only adds 20Million dollars over 4 years over what we s already on your books.

I'm a firm no on Batum. It would be like extending Shump & JR for two more years at their current salaries. Both of them are essentially expiring next season. If the cost of acquiring Walker is adding Batum, I'm out.

What if Charollete included a 1st round pick, protected until it is no longer a lotto pick, and their own 2018 2nd this year (should be top 40)

[jbk1234]

My original trade only adds 20Million dollars over 4 years over what we s already on your books.

I'm a firm no on Batum. It would be like extending Shump & JR for two more years at their current salaries. Both of them are essentially expiring next season. If the cost of acquiring Walker is adding Batum, I'm out.

What if Charollete included a 1st round pick, protected until it is no longer a lotto pick, and their own 2018 2nd this year (should be top 40)

I wouldn't trade for Batum's contract unless we were blowing it up and the pick was top 3 protected (which the Hornets shouldn't do).

[Stillwater]

I'm a firm no on Batum. It would be like extending Shump & JR for two more years at their current salaries. Both of them are essentially expiring next season. If the cost of acquiring Walker is adding Batum, I'm out.

What if Charollete included a 1st round pick, protected until it is no longer a lotto pick, and their own 2018 2nd this year (should be top 40)

I wouldn't trade for Batum's contract unless we were blowing it up and the pick was top 3 protected (which the Hornets shouldn't do).

Yep Cav's have zero interest in Batum's inflated contract

[Braggins]

Do you think IT can be sold on coming off the bench as a temporary thing until he gets his legs back, in the even that you guys get George Hill? Would starting them both and cutting JR out of the rotation be possible?

IT/Wade
Hill/Korver
Lebron/Crowder
Love/Green
TT/Zizic

[Stillwater]

Do you think IT can be sold on coming off the bench as a temporary thing until he gets his legs back, in the even that you guys get George Hill? Would starting them both and cutting JR out of the rotation be possible?

IT/Wade
Hill/Korver
Lebron/Crowder
Love/Green
TT/Zizic

No I see Wade remaining the pg on the 2nd unit. However if that's what it takes (moving IT3 to the pg spot on the 2nd unit with Wade sliding to the 2) I can live with it as a compromise to having IT3 in the sl.
This would not be "only until" he gets his legs either if he is not traded, but rather a permanent placement.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7000910 So this is the supposed trade possibility with SAC for Hill. It also would include a future 2nd going to SAC.(probably 2020 Miami pick).
It opens up a roster spot for us but we are actually taking on more salary if the deal went like this, so I would be inclined to think it might be more like this; sending our own 1st this year: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7000923

But if it were me, I would offer this : no picks: https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7000926

[jayu70]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6997441
Cavs send their 2021 1st top 5 protected and the Miami 2020 2nd.
Collins could be used next to Love quite nicely. Dedmon provides rim protection and can stretch the floor a little bit
as Love primary backup on the 2nd unit.
This would make sense if we move Thompson in another deal for sure.
I'm pretty high on Collins and his activity around the rim would be very good for this roster.
The only hitch here is they might not have any interest in Crowder with Prince at the 3 unless they like Crowder at the 4(doubtful).
I would also consider moving Frye's expiring instead of Crowder if they prefer the cap relief.

Every trade with the Hawks from Cavs fans have been horrendous so as a Hawk fan, I will say we have zero interest in doing any trades with the Cavs.

On the surface I would not expect ATL to move on from Collins in his rookie season, however you are already getting a top 5 pick this year most likely along with the Houston and the Wolves 1st , & since you will be trying to shed the contracts of Bazemore and Plumlee you will need to move those draft assets besides your own to attach to those players outgoing to get anyone to take them esp Plumlee.
So, acquiring a future pick at an uncertain time for the Cav's where they could be in a rebuild could be appealing ,and Crowder also gives you another trade asset on his killer deal if you don't see him as a good fit on your roster.
But if you love Collins more than a potential top 10 pick in 2021 so be it.

Atlanta passes. They don't have an IMMEDIATE NEED to shed Baze's or Plumlee's contract at the cost of including 1st round picks. Hawks won't be players for high end free agents this offseason, so they'll use the $25+ mil in capspace to sign value short term contracts or rent the capspace for 1st round picks.
Hawks aren't waiting 4 years to add a possible top 10 pick to their top pick this year. Collins and the 2018 pick starts the rebuild process now.

[Stillwater]

Every trade with the Hawks from Cavs fans have been horrendous so as a Hawk fan, I will say we have zero interest in doing any trades with the Cavs.

On the surface I would not expect ATL to move on from Collins in his rookie season, however you are already getting a top 5 pick this year most likely along with the Houston and the Wolves 1st , & since you will be trying to shed the contracts of Bazemore and Plumlee you will need to move those draft assets besides your own to attach to those players outgoing to get anyone to take them esp Plumlee.
So, acquiring a future pick at an uncertain time for the Cav's where they could be in a rebuild could be appealing ,and Crowder also gives you another trade asset on his killer deal if you don't see him as a good fit on your roster.
But if you love Collins more than a potential top 10 pick in 2021 so be it.

Atlanta passes. They don't have an IMMEDIATE NEED to shed Baze's or Plumlee's contract at the cost of including 1st round picks. Hawks won't be players for high end free agents this offseason, so they'll use the $25+ mil in capspace to sign value short term contracts or rent the capspace for 1st round picks.
Hawks aren't waiting 4 years to add a possible top 10 pick to their top pick this year. Collins and the 2018 pick starts the rebuild process now.

makes sense

[drs123310]

Forget about Hill for a second.

Would you rather do Frye/Shump for Bismack Biyombo? Virtually the same contract, the question is do the Magic view shedding his contract as important as the Kings do Hill's.

If they would entertain, I feel that would be the better fit for the Cavs

[Stillwater]

Forget about Hill for a second.

Would you rather do Frye/Shump for Bismack Biyombo? Virtually the same contract, the question is do the Magic view shedding his contract as important as the Kings do Hill's.

If they would entertain, I feel that would be the better fit for the Cavs

No we already have a rim protector that doesn't play good enough often enough to deserve his contact. If Biyombo were in a contract year you might get 1 player you like for eating a bad contract. Orlando as a team is the worst interior defense in the NBA since Vucivic got hurt,and Biyombo started instead,and Biyombo is actually expected to be good defensively compared to nik

[Belf]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7001563

CLE gets: N. Mirotic, R. Lopez, J. Holiday (CHI), D. Favors (Utah)
Utah gets: Love (CLE)
CHI gets: JR Smith, I. Shumpert, J. Calderon (CLE), J. Johnson (Utah), 2018 Nets Pick (CLE)

Cleveland gets a line-up of:

PG: Thomas / Rose
SG: Holiday / Korver / Wade
SF: LBJ / Green / Crowder
PF: Favors / Mirotic
C: Thompson / Lopez

You can challenge for the East with that group, and you shed salary (all of the Bulls players are on 2 year deals). Utah gets Love, so they’d probably be all for it

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7001563

CLE gets: N. Mirotic, R. Lopez, J. Holiday (CHI), D. Favors (Utah)
Utah gets: Love (CLE)
CHI gets: JR Smith, I. Shumpert, J. Calderon (CLE), J. Johnson (Utah), 2018 Nets Pick (CLE)

Cleveland gets a line-up of:

PG: Thomas / Rose
SG: Holiday / Korver / Wade
SF: LBJ / Green / Crowder
PF: Favors / Mirotic
C: Thompson / Lopez

You can challenge for the East with that group, and you shed salary (all of the Bulls players are on 2 year deals). Utah gets Love, so they’d probably be all for it

2 facts you need to remember when proposing trades with Cavaliers:
1 The Nets pick is off the table if Love is traded because it would mean we are blowing it up and looking to the future.
2 Smith and Thompson are on the block w/
Crowder and IT being shopped if any return is acceptable.
Obviously players like Frye with an expiring and Shumpert with a player option are appealing to teams trying to get out of long term contract of players stuck on teams going into rebuilds.

[Belf]

2 facts you need to remember when proposing trades with Cavaliers:
1 The Nets pick is off the table if Love is traded because it would mean we are blowing it up and looking to the future.
2 Smith and Thompson are on the block w/
Crowder and IT being shopped if any return is acceptable.
Obviously players like Frye with an expiring and Shumpert with a player option are appealing to teams trying to get out of long term contract of players stuck on teams going into rebuilds.

The trade I proposed allows you to challenge for a title this year, which you aren't currently. It also takes away long term money from your team which will help in the rebuild that is going to happen when LBJ leaves next year. This deal gives you flexibility to sign FA's or to pivot hard into a rebuild next year if you want to. Also you are replacing Love with a guy who is 26, under contract for next year at $12.5m (team option) which is half of what Love is making, shooting 44% from 3pt, with a PER of 23 who will probably win the 6th man of the year award... seems worth it.

Next season your roster if you chose to go FA route looks like this:
PG: Thomas / FA
SG: Holiday (or FA) / Korver (solid if unspectacular pairing)
SF: FA (or Holiday/Crowder) / Osman
PF: Mirotic, Crowder (solid pairing)
C: Thompson / Lopez (solid pairing)

That's not a terrible roster. If you want to rebuild, you have guys next year in Mirotic (mid/late 1st rounder), Lopez (2nd rounder), Holiday (2nd rounder) on expiring deals who can probably fetch you the (value) that I've attached. Again not bad for a chance to win the East this year and moving on from some terrible contracts.

[jbk1234]

Forget about Hill for a second.

Would you rather do Frye/Shump for Bismack Biyombo? Virtually the same contract, the question is do the Magic view shedding his contract as important as the Kings do Hill's.

If they would entertain, I feel that would be the better fit for the Cavs

If we're going to go down that road, I'd rather do Kemba & Howard. Cavs can't trade for Biz without TT going out.

[Stillwater]

2 facts you need to remember when proposing trades with Cavaliers:
1 The Nets pick is off the table if Love is traded because it would mean we are blowing it up and looking to the future.
2 Smith and Thompson are on the block w/
Crowder and IT being shopped if any return is acceptable.
Obviously players like Frye with an expiring and Shumpert with a player option are appealing to teams trying to get out of long term contract of players stuck on teams going into rebuilds.

The trade I proposed allows you to challenge for a title this year, which you aren't currently. It also takes away long term money from your team which will help in the rebuild that is going to happen when LBJ leaves next year. This deal gives you flexibility to sign FA's or to pivot hard into a rebuild next year if you want to. Also you are replacing Love with a guy who is 26, under contract for next year at $12.5m (team option) which is half of what Love is making, shooting 44% from 3pt, with a PER of 23 who will probably win the 6th man of the year award... seems worth it.

Next season your roster if you chose to go FA route looks like this:
PG: Thomas / FA
SG: Holiday (or FA) / Korver (solid if unspectacular pairing)
SF: FA (or Holiday/Crowder) / Osman
PF: Mirotic, Crowder (solid pairing)
C: Thompson / Lopez (solid pairing)

That's not a terrible roster. If you want to rebuild, you have guys next year in Mirotic (mid/late 1st rounder), Lopez (2nd rounder), Holiday (2nd rounder) on expiring deals who can probably fetch you the (value) that I've attached. Again not bad for a chance to win the East this year and moving on from some terrible contracts.

You're trade does not by any means make us a contender. Maybe if IT3 was 6" taller and not playing the same ball hog bs Kyrie was on the block for before he conveniently asked for a trade. And IT is not playing well.
No team with IT3 as a starter can beat Houston or GSW.
Will take our chances with Love ,thanks anyway.

[jbk1234]

I hope anyone who wants to trade for DAJ is watching this Clippers v Celtics game.