Trade Ideas - Part 2

tidho · Post #561 » by **tidho** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:58 pm

Some responses to the commentary on Griffin so far.

Griffin isn't an elite player, but he's the next best thing.

There are no sure thing stars in this draft, and Griffin is a star without any bust risk. Straight up this couldn't be more of a no brainer.

I don't see any reason he couldn't play with Thompson. You'd need a shooter at the 3, but that can get gotten (Rice @ 19, for instance) in the draft.

They still would be able to sign a max next year if they let Andy go. They'd have to get a little creative but it would work.

For the LeBron dreamers Irving/Griffin....that would work.

For the Clippers, they ultimately get #1 overall, Howard, and Paul in this deal. This of course assumes the two really are dead set on playing together. They have to move Griffin to get Howard and keep Paul. I think they'd rather see him shipped to Cleveland, than playing in the same building for the Lakers....plus they get the pick. Way better than any Laker deal.

This may not be the very best either can do, but if they can't do better, both teams should really really want to do this.

GopherIt! · Post #562 » by **GopherIt!** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:56 am

rjgraca wrote:Williams = almost zero value

Thats absurd.

rjgraca · Post #563 » by **rjgraca** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:18 pm

GopherIt! wrote:
rjgraca wrote:Williams = almost zero value

Thats absurd.

For the Cavs = almost no value. What is absurd is some wolve fans still thinking he has much value anymore.

gflem · Post #564 » by **gflem** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:45 am

If he has so much value why are they so anxious to move him? Personally I think he will ultimately be a good player, but with Love he wont ever get the opportunity.

bpcox05 · Post #565 » by **bpcox05** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:40 am

What about a trade with the kings?

19th pick
31st pick
33rd pick

for

Thomas
Patterson

Post #566 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:12 am

Who? Uh, no thanks!!!

BossHoggin · Post #567 » by **BossHoggin** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:42 am

bpcox05 wrote:What about a trade with the kings?

19th pick
31st pick
33rd pick

for

Thomas
Patterson

how about cousins for CJ Miles

gflem · Post #568 » by **gflem** » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:33 pm

Speaking of Cousins, a max deal for him is a bit out of line for his production/attitude, no? Looks to me like he has told his agent to get him out of there. Now, I really like his ability, but at a max contract with his sub max money maturity he will certainly be a coach killer and probably a GM killer before he becomes a franchise player.

Niko23 · Post #569 » by **Niko23** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 8:41 pm

Pierce to Cavs?

Dupp · Post #570 » by **Dupp** » Fri Jun 21, 2013 9:10 pm

For what? I'd take him with compensation. But Boston will want compensation for him.

No way.

Edit - just saw the thread. It still pass or at least wait to see what happens draft day.

Massive slap in the face to pierce though

jfs1000d · Post #571 » by **jfs1000d** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:04 am

Dupp wrote:For what? I'd take him with compensation. But Boston will want compensation for him.

No way.

Edit - just saw the thread. It still pass or at least wait to see what happens draft day.

Massive slap in the face to pierce though

Celts fan here. I would do 31 and 33 and a TPE in a heartbeat for Pierce. It's just a way for Boston to re-tool. They are probably going to cut him.

For the Cavs, 2 second round picks for a guy who was 18 ppg last year. I think he gets you in the playoffs and you have a nice young team and a building season.

Best part? He expires next year so you still have all that cap room.

Edit: Also, slap in the face? I think it's a good spot for Pierce. I consider the Cavs rising. Got a grat PG, some rebounding and I love Waiters as a SG. If Pierce played like he did this year, I think you guys are 42-45 wins with Irving and Waiters progressing.

Even if its progressing slow with the young guys, I can see a 36-40 win team for the Cavs. That's in playoff contention.

Dupp · Post #572 » by **Dupp** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:14 am

Id rather use those picks and 19 to move up in the draft and draft a young player oppose to pierce. Cleveland needs to focus on its future and pierce isnt part of that.

Slap in the face yes. Hes a life long celtic player whos getting traded for 2 second round picks in thi scenario. I legend of your club. Massive slap in the face imo.

Also i doubt pierce would have any interest playing for a rebuilding club. Hed sooner retire imo.

Dupp · Post #573 » by **Dupp** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:27 am

This time of year is more exciting than the season. All the trade rumors are great.

Marion + 13 for 19 id do for sure, you guys the same?

minimus · Post #574 » by **minimus** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 12:28 pm

Dupp wrote:This time of year is more exciting than the season. All the trade rumors are great.

Marion + 13 for 19 id do for sure, you guys the same?

So would I! Shawn is still good defender, good rebounder. While he isn't good scorer he still finds ways to put ball in basket. He also can be effective against small ball offense. Proven veteran, winner, hard worker for 1 year. It's safe way to develop young team without hurting salary situation. According to nbadraft.net Cavs go after Alex Len with #1 (I'm fine with it), then with #13 draft creative and potent scorer CJ McCollum or euro prospect with high bball IQ Sergey Karasev. It remains an easy task to find bargain ballhandler/distibutor and another sharpshooter: CJ Watson, Jerryd Bayless, Francisco Garcia.

Varejao/Tristan Thompson/Alex Len
Tristan Thompson/Zeller/Marion
Marion /Francisco Garcia/C.J. Miles/Alonzo Gee
Dion Waiters/Wayne Ellington/C.J. Miles
Kyrie Irving/CJ McCollum/Shaun Livingston

gflem · Post #575 » by **gflem** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 2:58 pm

minimus wrote:
Dupp wrote:This time of year is more exciting than the season. All the trade rumors are great.

Marion + 13 for 19 id do for sure, you guys the same?

So would I! Shawn is still good defender, good rebounder. While he isn't good scorer he still finds ways to put ball in basket. He also can be effective against small ball offense. Proven veteran, winner, hard worker for 1 year. It's safe way to develop young team without hurting salary situation. According to nbadraft.net Cavs go after Alex Len with #1 (I'm fine with it), then with #13 draft creative and potent scorer CJ McCollum or Sergey Karasev. It remains an easy task to find bargain ballhandler/distibutor and another sharpshooter: CJ Watson, Jerryd Bayless, Francisco Garcia.

Varejao/Tristan Thompson/Alex Len
Tristan Thompson/Zeller/Marion
Marion /Francisco Garcia/C.J. Miles/Alonzo Gee
Dion Waiters/Wayne Ellington/C.J. Miles
Kyrie Irving/CJ McCollum/Shaun Livingston

If you go with CJ Watson instead of Garcia there would be 3 CJ's on the team. That would have to be some kind of record.

Niko23 · Post #576 » by **Niko23** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 3:50 pm

Does not really make sense for a PP deal......

Marion would be cool

shrink · Post #577 » by **shrink** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 9:34 pm

Howard Cosell wrote:Cavs trade their 1st Round Pick (1st overall) + 2nd Round Pick (33 overall) + Alonzo Gee

Wolves trade their 1st Round Pick (9th overall) + 1st Round Pick (26th overall) + Derrick Williams + Alexey Shved

TheOUTLAW wrote:I'm not sure when Shved got this supposed value. He looked okay in the Rising stars game, but otherwise I see nothing that'd imply that he was somebody worth having.

Shved is more valuable to MIN than CLE, and his inclusion probably pushes both sides farther apart.

He looked great in the Olympics, and the first few months of the NBA season. He had early numbers that could have had him in the #2 slot for rookie of the year. Then the rookie wall hit him harder than about anyone I'd ever seen, and he never recovered. MIN still hopes he'll become something great and if Kahn was still here, he wouldn't be traded - he'd be the guy Kahn pointed to whenever the name "Jonny Flynn" was brought up. But I don't think he's anyone you guys should get excited about.

On a side note, I do not see Varejao even having positive trade value, so he's probably worth more to you than us. If the NBA ever changes that players get paid on a per-week basis on unguaranteed deals, he'd vault to the top of the pack, but in 9 years in the NBA, he's never finished in the top 35 in rebounding - perhaps his best quality.

Lastly, I think Gee is better than most people outside of CLE think, and he may be getting under-valued here.

Anyway, if there is common ground on a deal between these two teams, I think MIN keeps Shved and you keep Varejao and Gee.

Post #578 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Sat Jun 22, 2013 10:24 pm

If you only look at stats for Varejao, you are horribly misguided. He's great at making things happen some times that rebounding some times that's moving without the ball and/or defense. He's better than his numbers would ever show you.

BossHoggin · Post #579 » by **BossHoggin** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:09 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:If you only look at stats for Varejao, you are horribly misguided. He's great at making things happen some times that rebounding some times that's moving without the ball and/or defense. He's better than his numbers would ever show you.

for how good of a poster shrink is, he sure has a grudge against Varejao even though he's been told repeatedly that Byron Scott overworked him in practice.

Dupp · Post #580 » by **Dupp** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:14 am

Eh i agree his trade value isnt great, too many injury concerns of late. I think hes absolutely worth more to us than another team, his impact on the game is enormous but we need him on the court.

Trading him for a first / young talent would be cool but i still kinda hope his value is low to other teams and he stays around. I'd really like him to remain a cav.