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Trade Ideas - Part 2

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#581 » by shrink » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:27 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:If you only look at stats for Varejao, you are horribly misguided. He's great at making things happen some times that rebounding some times that's moving without the ball and/or defense. He's better than his numbers would ever show you.


Like rebounding, he can only do that if he is actually on the floor. I think he's great when he plays, and I was surprised when I researched it that he's never been higher than 35th in rebounding in any of his nine seasons. You can't use the Byron Scott excuse for nine seasons.

And for the record, I don't have a grudge against Varejao specifically, though I often hear "It must be a grudge" when I have made similar comments about Bynum and many other players. Players are paid annual contracts for their production annually - not the per game stats that fans enjoy. Varejao is just one of many players like this. I am in favor of each team trying to get their money's worth from their contracts.

Anyway, I didn't post to start a war about Varejao, and it's an easy issue to sidestep. If you think I am incorrect, then just leave him out of trades and we're both happy. Dupp is right - more valuable to you than us. I posted to answer the legitimate question about Shved (and I think my answer agrees with your assessment), and to try to see if there is a common ground trade that RealGM fans would like, that lines up with some of those real life rumors. I don't think Howard Cosell's deal is quite right.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#582 » by RKL » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:37 am

Miles/Speights for Gasol?
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#583 » by TheOUTLAW » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:38 am

Oh, I'm not talking about trade value for Varejao since we wouldn't trade him for anything that we'd get for him right now. Just way too many injuries lately. All I know is that he's never missed an important game.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#584 » by GopherIt! » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:16 am

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rjgraca wrote:Williams = almost zero value
Thats absurd.


rjgraca wrote:For the Cavs = almost no value. What is absurd is some wolve fans still thinking he has much value anymore.


If you think DWill has almost zero value then you clearly are either 1) seriously misinformed or 2) spewing hate out your rear end.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#585 » by minimus » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:54 am

jfs1000d wrote:Celts fan here. I would do 31 and 33 and a TPE in a heartbeat for Pierce. It's just a way for Boston to re-tool. They are probably going to cut him.
For the Cavs, 2 second round picks for a guy who was 18 ppg last year. I think he gets you in the playoffs and you have a nice young team and a building season.

Best part? He expires next year so you still have all that cap room.

Edit: Also, slap in the face? I think it's a good spot for Pierce. I consider the Cavs rising. Got a grat PG, some rebounding and I love Waiters as a SG. If Pierce played like he did this year, I think you guys are 42-45 wins with Irving and Waiters progressing.
Even if its progressing slow with the young guys, I can see a 36-40 win team for the Cavs. That's in playoff contention.


Is there any chance for Cavs to get Marion deal done as well? It would be absolutely perfect situation for Cavs, Marion and Pierce.

Varejao/Tristan Thompson/Alex Len
Tristan Thompson/Zeller/Marion
Marion /Pierce/C.J. Miles/Alonzo Gee
Pierce/Dion Waiters/Wayne Ellington/C.J. Miles
Kyrie Irving/CJ McCollum/Shaun Livingston
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#586 » by Dewey » Mon Jun 24, 2013 1:19 pm

:lol: how do you expect anyone to take you guys serious when you get a googly as teams try to dump ole vets like Marion or Pierce on you? Your in no position to compete and thats the only reason a team would ever take on aged vets. No wonder Bron left....
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#587 » by mcfly1204 » Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:28 pm

I agree, it makes no sense for a team like Cleveland to acquire an experienced player at a position of need. I mean, what are they going to do next summer, sign a better free agent with the cap space after their young guys get a better sense of winning this season?
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Post#588 » by TheOUTLAW » Mon Jun 24, 2013 3:07 pm

Dewey wrote::lol: how do you expect anyone to take you guys serious when you get a googly as teams try to dump ole vets like Marion or Pierce on you? Your in no position to compete and thats the only reason a team would ever take on aged vets. No wonder Bron left....


You probably should learn a bit more before you start commenting on other teams boards. The logic here clearly went over your head.

The reason the Cavs would trade for either of these players specifically because they would be cap space holders Cavs have to spend some money this year anyway but they primarily are looking to keep their cap space for next year.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#589 » by tfmiii » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:20 pm

minimus wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:Celts fan here. I would do 31 and 33 and a TPE in a heartbeat for Pierce. It's just a way for Boston to re-tool. They are probably going to cut him.
For the Cavs, 2 second round picks for a guy who was 18 ppg last year. I think he gets you in the playoffs and you have a nice young team and a building season.

Best part? He expires next year so you still have all that cap room.

Edit: Also, slap in the face? I think it's a good spot for Pierce. I consider the Cavs rising. Got a grat PG, some rebounding and I love Waiters as a SG. If Pierce played like he did this year, I think you guys are 42-45 wins with Irving and Waiters progressing.
Even if its progressing slow with the young guys, I can see a 36-40 win team for the Cavs. That's in playoff contention.


Is there any chance for Cavs to get Marion deal done as well? It would be absolutely perfect situation for Cavs, Marion and Pierce.

Varejao/Tristan Thompson/Alex Len
Tristan Thompson/Zeller/Marion
Marion /Pierce/C.J. Miles/Alonzo Gee
Pierce/Dion Waiters/Wayne Ellington/C.J. Miles
Kyrie Irving/CJ McCollum/Shaun Livingston

Yes, they could do both rumored deals for Marion and Pierce, they will have the cap space and neither deal uses any resources needed for the other.

In fact I would not be surprised if they were in part dependent, say Boston drafts at 13 to get they player they want, Cleve drafts at 16 and gets the player they want and then one or two 2nd rounders go to Boston.

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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#590 » by Dewey » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:13 pm

TheOUTLAW wrote:
Dewey wrote::lol: how do you expect anyone to take you guys serious when you get a googly as teams try to dump ole vets like Marion or Pierce on you? Your in no position to compete and thats the only reason a team would ever take on aged vets. No wonder Bron left....


You probably should learn a bit more before you start commenting on other teams boards. The logic here clearly went over your head.

The reason the Cavs would trade for either of these players specifically because they would be cap space holders Cavs have to spend some money this year anyway but they primarily are looking to keep their cap space for next year.


Your missing the bigger point ... PP isn't coming :lol: Maybe Marion but he's ... Marion :roll: l
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#591 » by minimus » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:51 pm

I do believe that developing team like Cavs can benefit playing proven vets alongside with young stars. Work ethic, discpline... Marion and Pierce are warriors. Their contract don't harm salary situation.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#592 » by tidho » Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:54 pm

minimus wrote:I do believe that developing team like Cavs can benefit playing proven vets alongside with young stars. Work ethic, discpline... Marion and Pierce are warriors. Their contract don't harm salary situation.

Exactly, the only downside is the opportunity cost of something else that might be available.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#593 » by pickIBL » Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:18 pm

If you are going to do something crazy rather than tank for a 2014 pick... just paul pierce (even with marion is not enough). I think you need to move your pick for Deng too. Then go overseas and get a center... because your starting 5 man is injury prone.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#594 » by gflem » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:00 pm

pickIBL wrote:If you are going to do something crazy rather than tank for a 2014 pick... just paul pierce (even with marion is not enough). I think you need to move your pick for Deng too. Then go overseas and get a center... because your starting 5 man is injury prone.

I was thinking along the same lines as Minimus, getting both Pierce and Marion without giving up the #1 and with gaining #13 would be ideal. As for getting a big, if we even get one of those guys why would we need Deng? Wouldn't we just use the #1 to pick Len or Noel? And at 13 (if it happens that way) or 19 there should still be a project big or 2 left to choose from as well.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#595 » by pickIBL » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:05 pm

Pierce isn't a young guy. I think if you are making a big play now you need Pierce and Deng. Plus like Krstic or Bourousis to play the 5 spot. Otherwise you are looking at an average year and a miss on the top 2014 prospects... at least go for a playoff run if you are going to pass on Wiggins, Parker, Mario, Exum etc.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#596 » by rjgraca » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:12 pm

GopherIt! wrote:
GopherIt! wrote:
rjgraca wrote:Williams = almost zero value
Thats absurd.


rjgraca wrote:For the Cavs = almost no value. What is absurd is some wolve fans still thinking he has much value anymore.


If you think DWill has almost zero value then you clearly are either 1) seriously misinformed or 2) spewing hate out your rear end.


You got the end your talking out of at least right. I guess all the teams in the NBA are lining up to rehab a borderline bust.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#597 » by rjgraca » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:15 pm

Dewey wrote:
TheOUTLAW wrote:
Dewey wrote::lol: how do you expect anyone to take you guys serious when you get a googly as teams try to dump ole vets like Marion or Pierce on you? Your in no position to compete and thats the only reason a team would ever take on aged vets. No wonder Bron left....


You probably should learn a bit more before you start commenting on other teams boards. The logic here clearly went over your head.

The reason the Cavs would trade for either of these players specifically because they would be cap space holders Cavs have to spend some money this year anyway but they primarily are looking to keep their cap space for next year.


Your missing the bigger point ... PP isn't coming :lol: Maybe Marion but he's ... Marion :roll: l


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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#598 » by gflem » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:32 am

I wonder how he knows Pierce wouldn't come here? I mean, most guys wouldn't pass up the extra 10 million, maybe he really doesn't need it, but with him on the Cavs, they should be at least as good as the C's were last season. I just keep thinking back to what Outlaw said about people talking in absolutes on Real GM.
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Post#599 » by bpcox05 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:27 am

I've seen rumors pop up about this in the past, but would you do Isaiah Thomas for the 19th overall pick?

He would be a great backup PG to Irving. He could be a nice change of pace guard who can provide scoring off the bench. Also, his contract is dirt cheap which makes him even more valuable.

The Kings help clear up their log jam at the guard position and gain a pick where they can still pick up a nice player.
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Re: Trade Ideas - Part 2 

Post#600 » by BossHoggin » Tue Jun 25, 2013 2:43 am

bpcox05 wrote:I've seen rumors pop up about this in the past, but would you do Isaiah Thomas for the 19th overall pick?

He would be a great backup PG to Irving. He could be a nice change of pace guard who can provide scoring off the bench. Also, his contract is dirt cheap which makes him even more valuable.

The Kings help clear up their log jam at the guard position and gain a pick where they can still pick up a nice player.
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