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[jbk1234]

Non-zero chance that Kings fans riot at their next game.

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[JonFromVA]

Non-zero chance that Kings fans riot at their next game.

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Could be, but the Kings have been 2 pts worse with Haliburton on the floor than off, while the Pacers were +4.5 better with Sabonis on than off.

That's unfair to a 21 year old second year player, but the Kings over-invested in PG's, apparently wanted Sabonis, and presumably neither Fox nor Mitchell were going to get Sabonis let alone convince Indiana to absorb Hield.

They should win some more games in the short-term, but yeah, there's a case they should have tried to trade everyone but Haliburton.

[KuruptedCav]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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[toooskies]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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I'd have much rather had a Haliburton/Barnes package if I were them. Destructive players are the worst.

[LivingLegend]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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IDK, I think Fedor said it best--both the 76ers and Nets just got a lot better quickly and this is going to make it even harder for the Cavs not only to hang onto a top 6 seed, but also do any sort of damage in their 1st round.

Both of those teams just added a motivated All-Star to their rosters and the Cavs are over here throwing a block party because we got LeVert lol

MIA/MIL/BKN/PHI are going to be locks. Its up to Chicago and Cleveland to hang onto one of those top 6 spots with them and not have the Raptors, Celtics or Hornets come sneaking up.

[JonFromVA]

I'll be happy to see the Cavs go after any of those teams, and we still have a decent shot at the #1 seed with Garland back and the Rubio-hole plugged with LeVert.

Is Harden's hamstring going to suddenly heal now that he's on a new team like his fat suit disappeared? Will he and Ben actually fit on their new teams? Will the Bucks be hurting without Lopez? Or is Ibaka actually a viable options for them?

Derrick White is a nice player, but we just saw him last night, and it's not like he has our number.

[jbk1234]

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[toooskies]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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IDK, I think Fedor said it best--both the 76ers and Nets just got a lot better quickly and this is going to make it even harder for the Cavs not only to hang onto a top 6 seed, but also do any sort of damage in their 1st round.

Both of those teams just added a motivated All-Star to their rosters and the Cavs are over here throwing a block party because we got LeVert lol

MIA/MIL/BKN/PHI are going to be locks. Its up to Chicago and Cleveland to hang onto one of those top 6 spots with them and not have the Raptors, Celtics or Hornets come sneaking up.

I don't think Brooklyn is a lock. Durant is still out, Kyrie is still part-time, and Simmons is a few weeks from coming back. They're also a few games back from the rest of the pack.

Similarly, Harden has a few injuries that might limit him and he has to figure out how to play with Embiid.

It's hard to re-focus your team with only 25 games left.

[KuruptedCav]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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IDK, I think Fedor said it best--both the 76ers and Nets just got a lot better quickly and this is going to make it even harder for the Cavs not only to hang onto a top 6 seed, but also do any sort of damage in their 1st round.

Both of those teams just added a motivated All-Star to their rosters and the Cavs are over here throwing a block party because we got LeVert lol

MIA/MIL/BKN/PHI are going to be locks. Its up to Chicago and Cleveland to hang onto one of those top 6 spots with them and not have the Raptors, Celtics or Hornets come sneaking up.

IDK that I’d agree with Fedor. Both teams just fundamentally altered their identities and diluted their strengths.

Obviously PHI improved since Simmons was a no-show; but I would have been significantly more concerned if that package was for Brandon Ingram instead of James Harden. They’ve gone from orbital to binary, but getting old and expensive fast.

For the Nets; I’m not sure Simmons is an improvement over Harden. I like the balance on paper, but the risk of dilution is high. Their top-3 are all best with the ball in their hands, but unlike Harden, Simmons doesn’t have much off-ball value. One strong defender doesn’t make up for a lack of team defense, but one less shooter means I can cheat off of him to help on K&K.

It would t surprise me in the least of both are gone from their current teams by 2024z.


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[jbk1234]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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It's two to three years, but if they can play Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, T. Haris, and Embiid defensively, that's a legit 4 headed monster on offense. I think Maxey may eventually get moved to the bench, but they're a tough out.

And the Nets got better. Drummond and Curry aren't just throw-ins here.

[LivingLegend]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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IDK, I think Fedor said it best--both the 76ers and Nets just got a lot better quickly and this is going to make it even harder for the Cavs not only to hang onto a top 6 seed, but also do any sort of damage in their 1st round.

Both of those teams just added a motivated All-Star to their rosters and the Cavs are over here throwing a block party because we got LeVert lol

MIA/MIL/BKN/PHI are going to be locks. Its up to Chicago and Cleveland to hang onto one of those top 6 spots with them and not have the Raptors, Celtics or Hornets come sneaking up.

IDK that I’d agree with Fedor. Both teams just fundamentally altered their identities and diluted their strengths.

Obviously PHI improved since Simmons was a no-show; but I would have been significantly more concerned if that package was for Brandon Ingram instead of James Harden. They’ve gone from orbital to binary, but getting old and expensive fast.

For the Nets; I’m not sure Simmons is an improvement over Harden. I like the balance on paper, but the risk of dilution is high. Their top-3 are all best with the ball in their hands, but unlike Harden, Simmons doesn’t have much off-ball value. One strong defender doesn’t make up for a lack of team defense, but one less shooter means I can cheat off of him to help on K&K.

It would t surprise me in the least of both are gone from their current teams by 2024z.


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Here is the real kick in the nackers that I dont think anybody is talking about nearly enough.

The Nets also got Seth Curry, Andre Drummond and TWO first rounders. That is not a little throw-in. Seth Curry is a great rotation piece and Drummond (as we know) allows the Nets to play matchups. Not saying Drummond is the best player ever, but he is a type of guy who can slow down a Jarrett Allen type in a series pretty significantly.

Not only do they have KD/Kyrie/Simmons--they are also somehow DEEP with Mills, Curry, Drummond, Claxton, Griffin, Harris, ect.

They also somehow got 2 first rounders out of it. Meaning they will continue to add depth OR have even more trade ammo for the future OR if it all falls apart they have assets.

PHI will be good--yet beatable I think, but the Nets man if Kyrie and Simmons can screw their heads on straight for more than a week are going to be really good for really long.

I just feel like this trade birthed the top 2 seeds in the EC for the next 5 years that the Cavs will have to...uhh..get through. Not to mention PHI is now a hot candidate for a '3rd wheel' piece this offseason. Like Lillard.

The Cavs are in position to be the Utah Jazz of the Eastern Conference for the next 5 years arnt they? A really good homegrown team (sorta) that will be a top 5 seed every year but will fall short every year in the playoffs because they dont have the 'bought' starpower that other teams in the conference have

[JonFromVA]

No sense declaring a team that hasn't even made the conference finals a juggernaut let alone a roadblock.

[toooskies]

IDK, I think Fedor said it best--both the 76ers and Nets just got a lot better quickly and this is going to make it even harder for the Cavs not only to hang onto a top 6 seed, but also do any sort of damage in their 1st round.

Both of those teams just added a motivated All-Star to their rosters and the Cavs are over here throwing a block party because we got LeVert lol

MIA/MIL/BKN/PHI are going to be locks. Its up to Chicago and Cleveland to hang onto one of those top 6 spots with them and not have the Raptors, Celtics or Hornets come sneaking up.

IDK that I’d agree with Fedor. Both teams just fundamentally altered their identities and diluted their strengths.

Obviously PHI improved since Simmons was a no-show; but I would have been significantly more concerned if that package was for Brandon Ingram instead of James Harden. They’ve gone from orbital to binary, but getting old and expensive fast.

For the Nets; I’m not sure Simmons is an improvement over Harden. I like the balance on paper, but the risk of dilution is high. Their top-3 are all best with the ball in their hands, but unlike Harden, Simmons doesn’t have much off-ball value. One strong defender doesn’t make up for a lack of team defense, but one less shooter means I can cheat off of him to help on K&K.

It would t surprise me in the least of both are gone from their current teams by 2024z.


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Here is the real kick in the nackers that I dont think anybody is talking about nearly enough.

The Nets also got Seth Curry, Andre Drummond and TWO first rounders. That is not a little throw-in. Seth Curry is a great rotation piece and Drummond (as we know) allows the Nets to play matchups. Not saying Drummond is the best player ever, but he is a type of guy who can slow down a Jarrett Allen type in a series pretty significantly.

Not only do they have KD/Kyrie/Simmons--they are also somehow DEEP with Mills, Curry, Drummond, Claxton, Griffin, Harris, ect.

They also somehow got 2 first rounders out of it. Meaning they will continue to add depth OR have even more trade ammo for the future OR if it all falls apart they have assets.

PHI will be good--yet beatable I think, but the Nets man if Kyrie and Simmons can screw their heads on straight for more than a week are going to be really good for really long.

I just feel like this trade birthed the top 2 seeds in the EC for the next 5 years that the Cavs will have to...uhh..get through. Not to mention PHI is now a hot candidate for a '3rd wheel' piece this offseason. Like Lillard.

The Cavs are in position to be the Utah Jazz of the Eastern Conference for the next 5 years arnt they? A really good homegrown team (sorta) that will be a top 5 seed every year but will fall short every year in the playoffs because they dont have the 'bought' starpower that other teams in the conference have

If Harden is his MVP-level self of three years ago, yes, Philly is scary. But I think Philly's window of him playing at an all-star level is pretty short. And that's only if Harden gets over the nagging hamstring.

The Nets' problems for the past two years don't go away with Ben Simmons. They traded an injury-prone star for a flaky one. They're still likely to be missing a star from their roster, if not two, when it comes to playoff time.

[JonFromVA]

IDK that I’d agree with Fedor. Both teams just fundamentally altered their identities and diluted their strengths.

Obviously PHI improved since Simmons was a no-show; but I would have been significantly more concerned if that package was for Brandon Ingram instead of James Harden. They’ve gone from orbital to binary, but getting old and expensive fast.

For the Nets; I’m not sure Simmons is an improvement over Harden. I like the balance on paper, but the risk of dilution is high. Their top-3 are all best with the ball in their hands, but unlike Harden, Simmons doesn’t have much off-ball value. One strong defender doesn’t make up for a lack of team defense, but one less shooter means I can cheat off of him to help on K&K.

It would t surprise me in the least of both are gone from their current teams by 2024z.


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Here is the real kick in the nackers that I dont think anybody is talking about nearly enough.

The Nets also got Seth Curry, Andre Drummond and TWO first rounders. That is not a little throw-in. Seth Curry is a great rotation piece and Drummond (as we know) allows the Nets to play matchups. Not saying Drummond is the best player ever, but he is a type of guy who can slow down a Jarrett Allen type in a series pretty significantly.

Not only do they have KD/Kyrie/Simmons--they are also somehow DEEP with Mills, Curry, Drummond, Claxton, Griffin, Harris, ect.

They also somehow got 2 first rounders out of it. Meaning they will continue to add depth OR have even more trade ammo for the future OR if it all falls apart they have assets.

PHI will be good--yet beatable I think, but the Nets man if Kyrie and Simmons can screw their heads on straight for more than a week are going to be really good for really long.

I just feel like this trade birthed the top 2 seeds in the EC for the next 5 years that the Cavs will have to...uhh..get through. Not to mention PHI is now a hot candidate for a '3rd wheel' piece this offseason. Like Lillard.

The Cavs are in position to be the Utah Jazz of the Eastern Conference for the next 5 years arnt they? A really good homegrown team (sorta) that will be a top 5 seed every year but will fall short every year in the playoffs because they dont have the 'bought' starpower that other teams in the conference have

If Harden is his MVP-level self of three years ago, yes, Philly is scary. But I think Philly's window of him playing at an all-star level is pretty short. And that's only if Harden gets over the nagging hamstring.

The Nets' problems for the past two years don't go away with Ben Simmons. They traded an injury-prone star for a flaky one. They're still likely to be missing a star from their roster, if not two, when it comes to playoff time.

The Nets problem is they couldn't keep KD, Kyrie, and Harden on the floor together ... and when they did ... the Cavs beat them 2 out of 3.

Joel Embiid is on a MVP run this season, but his health remains a ticking time bomb.

Looks like the Bucks just lost Pat Connaughton for a while.

We just don't know who we're going have to beat in the playoffs let alone what the state of the two rosters will be when we face off.

[KuruptedCav]

I’m probably in the minority here, but I think the 76ers screwed the pooch on the Simmons/Harden trade. I feel they’ve given themselves a two-year window and then it implodes.


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It's two to three years, but if they can play Maxey, Harden, Thybulle, T. Haris, and Embiid defensively, that's a legit 4 headed monster on offense. I think Maxey may eventually get moved to the bench, but they're a tough out.

And the Nets got better. Drummond and Curry aren't just throw-ins here.

I get the reasons it can work and why they did the deal; I just don’t think that it working out is a foregone conclusion.

There are three things I’m really interested to watch.
1) Simmons trying to play off-ball when Irving/Durant are on;
2) Simmons and Drummond playing together, especially in crunch time;
3) The 76ers tax bills going forward…. I really want to see them give Harden a 4 year $223 million dollar extension.

Has a team ever won a ring with two 35% players on it?

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[JonFromVA]

Has a team ever won a ring with two 35% players on it?

Are we counting bubble rings?

Here's the thing ... when the Cavs won in 2016, nobody else in the East could touch us until James left, and it's not because there weren't teams favored and expected to beat us, but because we had James and all that big game experience that let us dissect teams and tear them apart in a playoff series.

They had weaknesses and we exploited them.

What did all those teams lack? They didn't show they could stop LeBron from doing what he wanted when it mattered.

There is someone kind of like that in the East over in Milwaukee, but he's not quite as polished as James and his championship was not as hard won as beating the likes of the Spurs and Warriors. But most importantly, we actually did demonstrate we could frustrate him in the last game we played.

Of course Giannis may adjust, or maybe he gets the help he needs from Ibaka or Lopez returns in time, etc, but it's no sure thing is what I'm saying.

It's not about age or years of experience per se, it's what they contribute to a player's ability to comprehend and play winning basketball. If the Cavs are moving the ball and finding open shooters, and James Harden is firing up step back 3's ... I like our chances. Maybe our guys aren't ready for the bright lights and brick those 3's, and maybe Harden manages to keep knocking those shots down for a change? I'll gladly take the L and say see yah next year.

Eventually we will be rewarded for playing the right way like the Spurs were when they crushed the Heat in the finals and chased LeBron out of Miami.

[jbk1234]

Has a team ever won a ring with two 35% players on it?

Are we counting bubble rings?

Here's the thing ... when the Cavs won in 2016, nobody else in the East could touch us until James left, and it's not because there weren't teams favored and expected to beat us, but because we had James and all that big game experience that let us dissect teams and tear them apart in a playoff series.

They had weaknesses and we exploited them.

What did all those teams lack? They didn't show they could stop LeBron from doing what he wanted when it mattered.

There is someone kind of like that in the East over in Milwaukee, but he's not quite as polished as James and his championship was not as hard won as beating the likes of the Spurs and Warriors. But most importantly, we actually did demonstrate we could frustrate him in the last game we played.

Of course Giannis may adjust, or maybe he gets the help he needs from Ibaka or Lopez returns in time, etc, but it's no sure thing is what I'm saying.

It's not about age or years of experience per se, it's what they contribute to a player's ability to comprehend and play winning basketball. If the Cavs are moving the ball and finding open shooters, and James Harden is firing up step back 3's ... I like our chances. Maybe our guys aren't ready for the bright lights and brick those 3's, and maybe Harden manages to keep knocking those shots down for a change? I'll gladly take the L and say see yah next year.

Eventually we will be rewarded for playing the right way like the Spurs were when they crushed the Heat in the finals and chased LeBron out of Miami.

Legit thought you were talking about Durant until you said Giannis' name.

[JonFromVA]

Has a team ever won a ring with two 35% players on it?

Are we counting bubble rings?

Here's the thing ... when the Cavs won in 2016, nobody else in the East could touch us until James left, and it's not because there weren't teams favored and expected to beat us, but because we had James and all that big game experience that let us dissect teams and tear them apart in a playoff series.

They had weaknesses and we exploited them.

What did all those teams lack? They didn't show they could stop LeBron from doing what he wanted when it mattered.

There is someone kind of like that in the East over in Milwaukee, but he's not quite as polished as James and his championship was not as hard won as beating the likes of the Spurs and Warriors. But most importantly, we actually did demonstrate we could frustrate him in the last game we played.

Of course Giannis may adjust, or maybe he gets the help he needs from Ibaka or Lopez returns in time, etc, but it's no sure thing is what I'm saying.

It's not about age or years of experience per se, it's what they contribute to a player's ability to comprehend and play winning basketball. If the Cavs are moving the ball and finding open shooters, and James Harden is firing up step back 3's ... I like our chances. Maybe our guys aren't ready for the bright lights and brick those 3's, and maybe Harden manages to keep knocking those shots down for a change? I'll gladly take the L and say see yah next year.

Eventually we will be rewarded for playing the right way like the Spurs were when they crushed the Heat in the finals and chased LeBron out of Miami.

Legit thought you were talking about Durant until you said Giannis' name.

Giannis is a little scarier to me because of his ability to get easy buckets around the hoop, but he has weaknesses that can be exploited in a series. KD is very good at everything he does, but he's fundamentally a jump shooter ... and jump shots don't always go down when you want them to ... and I can't imagine JBB asking the guys to double Ben and leave KD wide open like happened when we played Steph and KD in the finals.

I mean I've heard people say everyone brings energy in the playoffs, but there are limits how vets use their energy. For instance, while LeBron was probably our best option to guard KD, he rarely did it and he sure wasn't flying all around the court just to make sure he got a hand up in his face when he was shooting - let alone battling to deny him the ball in the first place.

[KuruptedCav]

Has a team ever won a ring with two 35% players on it?

Are we counting bubble rings?

Here's the thing ... when the Cavs won in 2016, nobody else in the East could touch us until James left, and it's not because there weren't teams favored and expected to beat us, but because we had James and all that big game experience that let us dissect teams and tear them apart in a playoff series.

They had weaknesses and we exploited them.

What did all those teams lack? They didn't show they could stop LeBron from doing what he wanted when it mattered.

There is someone kind of like that in the East over in Milwaukee, but he's not quite as polished as James and his championship was not as hard won as beating the likes of the Spurs and Warriors. But most importantly, we actually did demonstrate we could frustrate him in the last game we played.

Of course Giannis may adjust, or maybe he gets the help he needs from Ibaka or Lopez returns in time, etc, but it's no sure thing is what I'm saying.

It's not about age or years of experience per se, it's what they contribute to a player's ability to comprehend and play winning basketball. If the Cavs are moving the ball and finding open shooters, and James Harden is firing up step back 3's ... I like our chances. Maybe our guys aren't ready for the bright lights and brick those 3's, and maybe Harden manages to keep knocking those shots down for a change? I'll gladly take the L and say see yah next year.

Eventually we will be rewarded for playing the right way like the Spurs were when they crushed the Heat in the finals and chased LeBron out of Miami.

Davis was on a 30%…. My point is basically that PHI is pricing themselves out.

Durant and Giannis are the only two players I see as Lebron like matchup problems in the East. The Bucks are a legit concern. A healthy Nets team was more concerning to me with Harden than with Simmons.

If we’ve seen anything with Lebron, it’s that shooters in their orbits unlock their potential. We saw this when Durant went from OKC to GS and became cheat-mode. We see it with Giannis. With LBJ we saw it in both Miami and Cleveland. We see it with how Steph and Klay make everyone more effective. And why Seth needed to go to Brooklyn with Ben.

The Cavs have a punchers chance with the length to land it. I’m good with that this year, let’s ride.

And I expect more organic development from Mobley, Garland, Allen and Okoro than I do from any core player on MIL, BKN, or PHI going forward.


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