2021-22 regular season thread

[Wisedude]

Two teams that may have an interest in Colin Sexton since they need more backcourt scoring could be the New Orleans Pelicans and the NY Knicks. NO has the 10th pick and NYK have picks 19 and 21. Sexton still has 2 more years on a rookie contract so that could be appealing to teams. This draft is considered to be deep. Altman, Gansey and Weems are really good evaluators of talent imo so lets see what happens. We may have to wait until draft night pick by pick to see how the board falls for trades to happen.

[Stillwater]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/in-make-or-break-offseason-cleveland-cavaliers-will-and-must-consider-all-options-including-possible-collin-sexton-trade.html
interesting general information feed
"Recent rumblings point to Sexton’s name being involved in trade discussions -- even though sources close to Sexton have the impression that the polarizing 22-year-old shooting guard is part of the long-term plans." CF

[Revenged25]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/in-make-or-break-offseason-cleveland-cavaliers-will-and-must-consider-all-options-including-possible-collin-sexton-trade.html
interesting general information feed
"Recent rumblings point to Sexton’s name being involved in trade discussions -- even though sources close to Sexton have the impression that the polarizing 22-year-old shooting guard is part of the long-term plans." CF

So the team wants him to be part of their long term plans, but if the value is there to move him, they'd accept that what's best for the team is moving him.

[Stillwater]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/in-make-or-break-offseason-cleveland-cavaliers-will-and-must-consider-all-options-including-possible-collin-sexton-trade.html
interesting general information feed
"Recent rumblings point to Sexton’s name being involved in trade discussions -- even though sources close to Sexton have the impression that the polarizing 22-year-old shooting guard is part of the long-term plans." CF

So the team wants him to be part of their long term plans, but if the value is there to move him, they'd accept that what's best for the team is moving him.

Yeah I mean I guess it just suggests that he really is not an isolated player being made available and Altman has maybe uttered comments that nobody is untouchable which is far different than Sexton is being shopped. It would not surprise me if Sexton is not actually being shopped anymore than anyone else and someone just assumed he would be after they got the 3rd pick since that is when it all started building up.

[jbk1234]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/in-make-or-break-offseason-cleveland-cavaliers-will-and-must-consider-all-options-including-possible-collin-sexton-trade.html
interesting general information feed
"Recent rumblings point to Sexton’s name being involved in trade discussions -- even though sources close to Sexton have the impression that the polarizing 22-year-old shooting guard is part of the long-term plans." CF

If he's citing sources close to Sexton, that means Fedor doesn't really have sources within the organization.

If half of what's written there is accurate, I'm concerned. He's talking about attaching Sexton to Love as something the Cavs want out of a Sexton trade? Also, they might trade Nance? At that point, we have a pretty serious hole in the roster regardless of who we draft.

I suppose they could trade for Harris or McCollum and draft either Green or Mobley. But what are we getting for Nance that will be better than Nance?

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[Stillwater]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2021/06/in-make-or-break-offseason-cleveland-cavaliers-will-and-must-consider-all-options-including-possible-collin-sexton-trade.html
interesting general information feed
"Recent rumblings point to Sexton’s name being involved in trade discussions -- even though sources close to Sexton have the impression that the polarizing 22-year-old shooting guard is part of the long-term plans." CF

If he's citing sources close to Sexton, that means Fedor doesn't really have sources within the organization.

If half of what's written there is accurate, I'm concerned. He's talking about attaching Sexton to Love as something the Cavs want out of a Sexton trade? Also, they might trade Nance? At that point, we have a pretty serious hole in the roster regardless of who we draft.

I suppose they could trade for Harris or McCollum and draft either Green or Mobley. But what are we getting for Nance that will be better than Nance?

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Never been a huge fan of fedor because hes just speculating on a lot of this but he has sources in fact id guess hes pretty much entrenched in whatever the org wants pushed out.
Its all taken with salt by me.

[Wisedude]

It sounds like Altman and Gansey really liked Kuminga's pro workout and will bring him to Cleveland in July for a private workout. He is a true small forward, size and everything imo. Cavs do not have a long term starter at that position. If Sexton can't bring back the value in a trade that Altman needs, then he just keeps him. That means if Mobley goes no 2, Altman could draft Kuminga at 3 if they feel Green and Suggs are somewhat overrated and overhyped. The Cavs also look for a culture fit in the player also. Just sayin.

[Stillwater]

It sounds like Altman and Gansey really liked Kuminga's pro workout and will bring him to Cleveland in July for a private workout. He is a true small forward, size and everything imo. Cavs do not have a long term starter at that position. If Sexton can't bring back the value in a trade that Altman needs, then he just keeps him. That means if Mobley goes no 2, Altman could draft Kuminga at 3 if they feel Green and Suggs are somewhat overrated and overhyped. The Cavs also look for a culture fit in the player also. Just sayin.

The path they had been taking was bpa no position situation factors in, but we already have seen how that can cause issues defensively they are trying to solve. So there is possible the pick is not Green or Suggs at 3 even if the BPA and nobody gives up value to trade for that pick because of it, but if it isnt I am thinking Barnes has more momentum to go there than JK unless they believe his ceiling is that much higher, because after Barnes combine, Kumingas floor seems lower not participating and not being as big as Scottie or the same level of playmaker despite being a freak athlete in the Wiggins mold. I have heard some comp him as Wiggins athletically with a Marcus Smart mentality , Barnes is a cross between Ben Simmons and Giannis with a touch of Lebron. I think the latter has the edge

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs are thorough in exploring their options, and like to take advantage of any opportunity to get a look at a prospect as it can pay off numerous ways (in no particular order):

a) if they're impressed enough they can draft him;
b) they can blow smoke about their actual intentions;
c) they explore options that they might only exercise if they can trade down or acquire more picks;
d) they may be able to use the player in scrimmages against other prospects;
e) they gain knowledge they might be able to use in the future;

[Stillwater]

The Cavs are thorough in exploring their options, and like to take advantage of any opportunity to get a look at a prospect as it can pay off numerous ways (in no particular order):

a) if they're impressed enough they can draft him;
b) they can blow smoke about their actual intentions;
c) they explore options that they might only exercise if they can trade down or acquire more picks;
d) they may be able to use the player in scrimmages against other prospects;
e) they gain knowledge they might be able to use in the future;

They take whomever will come to CLE to work out and I mean whoever will come to CLE to workout.
Usually that aint too many in the high lottery and Altman has to travel.
This time is different picking at 3. The rest are the ones working out for other gms that come to CLE
or players projected as UDFA and CLE has signed some recently so it is a good place for them to gamble on
getting their foot into the league.

[jbk1234]

It sounds like Altman and Gansey really liked Kuminga's pro workout and will bring him to Cleveland in July for a private workout. He is a true small forward, size and everything imo. Cavs do not have a long term starter at that position. If Sexton can't bring back the value in a trade that Altman needs, then he just keeps him. That means if Mobley goes no 2, Altman could draft Kuminga at 3 if they feel Green and Suggs are somewhat overrated and overhyped. The Cavs also look for a culture fit in the player also. Just sayin.

I remember they were a lock to select Toppin at No. 5 last year. I really believe they had a strong preference for Hunter when they got jumped, decided not to allow that to happen again, and that anything you hear regarding them before the draft is likely smoke now.

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[JonFromVA]

It sounds like Altman and Gansey really liked Kuminga's pro workout and will bring him to Cleveland in July for a private workout. He is a true small forward, size and everything imo. Cavs do not have a long term starter at that position. If Sexton can't bring back the value in a trade that Altman needs, then he just keeps him. That means if Mobley goes no 2, Altman could draft Kuminga at 3 if they feel Green and Suggs are somewhat overrated and overhyped. The Cavs also look for a culture fit in the player also. Just sayin.

I remember they were a lock to select Toppin at No. 5 last year. I really believe they had a strong preference for Hunter when they got jumped, decided not to allow that to happen again, and that anything you hear regarding them before the draft is likely smoke now.

Unless the Hunter rumor was not only smoke, but smoke which in that case actually worked.

I'm sure the Cavs were impressed by Hunter, but he did nothing to solve the problem they created by drafting a 6'1" player that couldn't play PG the previous season.

I tend to believe the rumors that Beilein prevented the Cavs from trading Sexton earlier because he saw a way to implement his 2 guard offense with Sexland.

Culver was supposed to be the guy would could play SG, defend, and add some play-making to compliment Collin.

[Wisedude]

If Mobley drops to 3, then I believe the Cavs select him. But if he is taken at 2, then imo, the Cavs select either Kuminga or Barnes and who they prefer will be decided here in July with private workouts leading up to the draft. IMO, Kai Jones will be a super power forward in the NBA. Teams seem afraid due to limited game experience but (call me crazy), he might turn out to be a better player than Mobley. I do not accept the Group Herd mentality as I do my own evaluating as I have had coaching experience at the D1 level years ago as a young guy. That's what makes this fun. Would love to hear all the phone calls that Altman gets from teams for Sexton, Love, Nanace and others. Love has value with only 2 years remaining, imo, Popovich at SA could take him but not give much back because they have tons of cap space right now and the Cavs would not have to take back equal salary. The FAs this year is awful which makes the trade market (Love) and Draft as the best ways to really improve your team imo.

[JonFromVA]

If Mobley drops to 3, then I believe the Cavs select him. But if he is taken at 2, then imo, the Cavs select either Kuminga or Barnes and who they prefer will be decided here in July with private workouts leading up to the draft. IMO, Kai Jones will be a super power forward in the NBA. Teams seem afraid due to limited game experience but (call me crazy), he might turn out to be a better player than Mobley. I do not accept the Group Herd mentality as I do my own evaluating as I have had coaching experience at the D1 level years ago as a young guy. That's what makes this fun. Would love to hear all the phone calls that Altman gets from teams for Sexton, Love, Nanace and others. Love has value with only 2 years remaining, imo, Popovich at SA could take him but not give much back because they have tons of cap space right now and the Cavs would not have to take back equal salary. The FAs this year is awful which makes the trade market (Love) and Draft as the best ways to really improve your team imo.

Ok, some guy selected at 44 might be better than Mobley, but the "Group Herd" seems to feel that he has Anthony Davis potential.

If you don't feel the same, how come?

[Wisedude]

I do like Mobley alot. But everyone has Mobley in top 3 and Kai Jones 8-20 range. I would love to see a one-on-one scrimmage between these two players. My best guess is that they are about equal type players. If Mobley is there at 3, I hope the Cavs select him as he is the safer pick over Jones. But some team could get a great player in Jones from 8-20 range. Mobley, imo, is a NBA power forward, and not a NBA center. He is very very thin. Mobley and Allen at the 4 & 5 would be great imo.

[JonFromVA]

I do like Mobley alot. But everyone has Mobley in top 3 and Kai Jones 8-20 range. I would love to see a one-on-one scrimmage between these two players. My best guess is that they are about equal type players. If Mobley is there at 3, I hope the Cavs select him as he is the safer pick over Jones. But some team could get a great player in Jones from 8-20 range. Mobley, imo, is a NBA power forward, and not a NBA center. He is very very thin. Mobley and Allen at the 4 & 5 would be great imo.

I'm not sure a 1v1 competition would be fair ... the fact Mobley has done so much more as a Freshman than Jones has done in two seasons is greatly to his credit. Even if Jones is the better athlete and can apply that in a 1v1 setting, he has to translate it to actual team play.

I mean Jones' NCAA performance suggests very little. He raised his 3pt% and that's promising and showed some flashes, but he still has to show he knows how to play basketball and take advantage of his gifts.

While Mobley's Freshman numbers at least suggest he could be very good in numerous areas similar to Davis who was primarily a defensive anchor in College.

They are both pretty lightweight and unless we have someone who can project how they'll develop physically; we can only guess if they'll still be getting pushed around in a few years.

Some of the under-performing athletic freaks are going to break out ... no doubt about that, but there's a lot of risk. Heck, Jarrett Allen was drafted 22nd and had a lot more success as a Freshman.

[Stillwater]

I do like Mobley alot. But everyone has Mobley in top 3 and Kai Jones 8-20 range. I would love to see a one-on-one scrimmage between these two players. My best guess is that they are about equal type players. If Mobley is there at 3, I hope the Cavs select him as he is the safer pick over Jones. But some team could get a great player in Jones from 8-20 range. Mobley, imo, is a NBA power forward, and not a NBA center. He is very very thin. Mobley and Allen at the 4 & 5 would be great imo.

Kai Jones is a very laid back Caribbean kid that has excellent anthro and potential as a prospect but he is nowhere near the same IQ prospect as Evan Mobley who also has insane leaping ability and should have done the combine athletic testing but didn't. His brother did though the genes are elite.Mobley will become a 5 I think for most teams but he can play 4 or 5 for sure. He can also defend the outer rings

[Wisedude]

Scottie Barnes measured 6'7" in socks at the Combine. That is small forward size at the 3 position. Not NBA power forward size for a player that is still developing the outside shot. I am so tired of the Cavaliers being undersized and overall not as athletic as other teams. But all seem to peg him as a PF. Like last year, Okoro was pegged by all at SF but afterward we all saw he has 2-Guard size at 6-4 1/2. Okoro will have to make the transition to the 2-Guard. I believe he can because he has the work ethic to make the perimeter shot consistently.

[Stillwater]

Scottie Barnes measured 6'7" in socks at the Combine. That is small forward size at the 3 position. Not NBA power forward size for a player that is still developing the outside shot. I am so tired of the Cavaliers being undersized and overall not as athletic as other teams. But all seem to peg him as a PF. Like last year, Okoro was pegged by all at SF but afterward we all saw he has 2-Guard size at 6-4 1/2. Okoro will have to make the transition to the 2-Guard. I believe he can because he has the work ethic to make the perimeter shot consistently.

lol there were 5 prospects in the draft with a longer standing reach than Barnes and all were centers except Thor and Barnes had a better standing reach than 17 players listed as PF or C ...Barnes had a very dominant anthro at the combine and his length is pf/c length. his athletic explosiveness and motor is better than average posting a ridiculous shuttle time 2nd overall behind Greg Brown and ahead of all other high twitch guards... with his length and 12' reach when he jumps he is able to defend the paint easily.
Then you add the playmaking IQ is impressive and he is a point forward by trade at the 3/4 or can just run the point period with his obvious ball handling and Greek freak like mobility.
I am pretty high on Barnes I dont care if he ever shoots
Cavs can buy a late first for a shooter if Windler is never going to play

[Wisedude]

Scottie Barnes measured 6'7" in socks at the Combine. That is small forward size at the 3 position. Not NBA power forward size for a player that is still developing the outside shot. I am so tired of the Cavaliers being undersized and overall not as athletic as other teams. But all seem to peg him as a PF. Like last year, Okoro was pegged by all at SF but afterward we all saw he has 2-Guard size at 6-4 1/2. Okoro will have to make the transition to the 2-Guard. I believe he can because he has the work ethic to make the perimeter shot consistently.

lol there were 5 prospects in the draft with a longer standing reach than Barnes and all were centers except Thor and Barnes had a better standing reach than 17 players listed as PF or C ...Barnes had a very dominant anthro at the combine and his length is pf/c length. his athletic explosiveness and motor is better than average posting a ridiculous shuttle time 2nd overall behind Greg Brown and ahead of all other high twitch guards... with his length and 12' reach when he jumps he is able to defend the paint easily.
Then you add the playmaking IQ is impressive and he is a point forward by trade at the 3/4 or can just run the point period with his obvious ball handling and Greek freak like mobility.
I am pretty high on Barnes I dont care if he ever shoots
Cavs can buy a late first for a shooter if Windler is never going to play

lol....you are describing a poor mans Ben Simmons, who has been an incredible disappointment in Philly as the overall no. 1 pick that they are entertaining trading him. Your team of non-scorers wouldn't win anything because they wouldn't be able to score 50 points a game. Don't need another Okoro at another position.