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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#601 » by toooskies » Wed Sep 30, 2026 2:43 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Watson's legs look kinda skinny but he's also 6'8" so only so much you can do.

He's gotta be skinny or else those legs won't move fast enough to guard the POA.

Junkyard Pod was commenting on Hezonja possibly having the strongest build on the team.
I did see they expect Watson to guard the other team's best perimeter player.

I think it makes us have to cross match a whole bunch. I wish Mitchell could get back to the passable defender he was his first 2 seasons in the NBA.

Mitchell's defensive weaknesses are overstated. He's slower on rotations than you'd like but let's remember he wasn't even the worst defender on the #1 regular season defense a few years ago. He hasn't been the guy getting picked on against Indiana or New York.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#602 » by jbk1234 » Fri Oct 2, 2026 11:33 pm

toooskies wrote:
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toooskies wrote:He's gotta be skinny or else those legs won't move fast enough to guard the POA.

Junkyard Pod was commenting on Hezonja possibly having the strongest build on the team.
I did see they expect Watson to guard the other team's best perimeter player.

I think it makes us have to cross match a whole bunch. I wish Mitchell could get back to the passable defender he was his first 2 seasons in the NBA.

Mitchell's defensive weaknesses are overstated. He's slower on rotations than you'd like but let's remember he wasn't even the worst defender on the #1 regular season defense a few years ago. He hasn't been the guy getting picked on against Indiana or New York.


Garland was playing on one leg against the Pacers (when he could even play) and Ty Jerome just doesn't do defense. That's very much not Ty's thing. With those two gone, Mitchell got picked on in every series we played last year. He needs to conserve more energy for the defensive end and play an off-ball role a handful of plays a half offensively. Same with Harden. Hopefully with Watson, that will not only be possible, but optimal.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#603 » by JonFromVA » Sat Oct 3, 2026 4:42 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:I did see they expect Watson to guard the other team's best perimeter player.

I think it makes us have to cross match a whole bunch. I wish Mitchell could get back to the passable defender he was his first 2 seasons in the NBA.

Mitchell's defensive weaknesses are overstated. He's slower on rotations than you'd like but let's remember he wasn't even the worst defender on the #1 regular season defense a few years ago. He hasn't been the guy getting picked on against Indiana or New York.


Garland was playing on one leg against the Pacers (when he could even play) and Ty Jerome just doesn't do defense. That's very much not Ty's thing. With those two gone, Mitchell got picked on in every series we played last year. He needs to conserve more energy for the defensive end and play an off-ball role a handful of plays a half offensively. Same with Harden. Hopefully with Watson, that will not only be possible, but optimal.


Mitchell needs to avoid a hamstring/groin/whatever injury this season, but fat chance unless we keep him in bubble wrap until the playoffs roll around.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#604 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Oct 9, 2026 1:26 am

Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#605 » by toooskies » Fri Oct 9, 2026 12:22 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.

Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#606 » by jbk1234 » Fri Oct 9, 2026 4:35 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.

Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


The Cavs are going to have to make a decision on who gets developmental minutes going forward. We know that CPJ can rack up assists against second or third string opponents. We also know that against better units/teams, particularly teams that have scouted him, he struggles. IMO his limitations are such that he's never going to be a post season option and the organization's goal should be to find out if they have one on the roster, or not. Even yesterday CPJ was -2 in 16 minutes despite recording 10 assists.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#607 » by JonFromVA » Fri Oct 9, 2026 5:43 pm

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JujitsuFlip wrote:Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.

Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


CPJ also stuffs the box score in other areas which are probably discounted when it's coming from a small guard.

Hopefully Watson can give us more in those areas too.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#608 » by JonFromVA » Fri Oct 9, 2026 5:48 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.

Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


The Cavs are going to have to make a decision on who gets developmental minutes going forward. We know that CPJ can rack up assists against second or third string opponents. We also know that against better units/teams, particularly teams that have scouted him, he struggles. IMO his limitations are such that he's never going to be a post season option and the organization's goal should be to find out if they have one on the roster, or not. Even yesterday CPJ was -2 in 16 minutes despite recording 10 assists.


So, if it's such a low bar, then Thomas/Proctor should be able to step over it; assuming Mobley/Tyson/Watson don't step over it first.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#609 » by toooskies » Fri Oct 9, 2026 6:04 pm

jbk1234 wrote:
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JujitsuFlip wrote:Porter Jr with the 10 assists tn, he wants that backup PG role! Thomas and Proctor aren't gonna make it easy for him though.

Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


The Cavs are going to have to make a decision on who gets developmental minutes going forward. We know that CPJ can rack up assists against second or third string opponents. We also know that against better units/teams, particularly teams that have scouted him, he struggles. IMO his limitations are such that he's never going to be a post season option and the organization's goal should be to find out if they have one on the roster, or not. Even yesterday CPJ was -2 in 16 minutes despite recording 10 assists.

Season high assists last year was 12 against Portland and some other team with both his former head coach and one of the top defenses in the league in Detroit. Also had 11 in 22 minutes the Sixers.

You think that teams suddenly started scouting him but I think he just got pushed out of position and ultimately out of the rotation by Harden and Schroder (and Ellis) after the trade deadline. If I'm coaching I would almost never play him at the same time as Harden because he's not who you want as a spot shooter next to an iso-heavy ballhandler. But I definitely know he's going to find Mitchell and Merrill and Allen in the half-court. He's going to feed Thomas plenty, too, if they get reps together.

You know better than to take a single game plus-minus from a preseason game as evidence of anything, but on a night where no one had a positive plus-minus, CPJ wasn't bad.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#610 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Oct 9, 2026 6:07 pm

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toooskies wrote:Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


The Cavs are going to have to make a decision on who gets developmental minutes going forward. We know that CPJ can rack up assists against second or third string opponents. We also know that against better units/teams, particularly teams that have scouted him, he struggles. IMO his limitations are such that he's never going to be a post season option and the organization's goal should be to find out if they have one on the roster, or not. Even yesterday CPJ was -2 in 16 minutes despite recording 10 assists.

Season high assists last year was 12 against Portland and some other team with both his former head coach and one of the top defenses in the league in Detroit. Also had 11 in 22 minutes the Sixers.

You think that teams suddenly started scouting him but I think he just got pushed out of position and ultimately out of the rotation by Harden and Schroder (and Ellis) after the trade deadline. If I'm coaching I would almost never play him at the same time as Harden because he's not who you want as a spot shooter next to an iso-heavy ballhandler. But I definitely know he's going to find Mitchell and Merrill and Allen in the half-court. He's going to feed Thomas plenty, too, if they get reps together.

You know better than to take a single game plus-minus from a preseason game as evidence of anything, but on a night where no one had a positive plus-minus, CPJ wasn't bad.
jbk still doesn't like Porter, so nothing he does will ever be good enough.

Porter is not a SF/PF so if that's how he's going to be used, yes, it's a bad fit.

But as backup PG early in the season until Thomas or Proctor prove ready to take the reigns, i think he's fine.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#611 » by jbk1234 » Fri Oct 9, 2026 8:18 pm

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toooskies wrote:Porter gets the ball moving and that’s going to be very good for Tyson and Watson who are very good cutters.


The Cavs are going to have to make a decision on who gets developmental minutes going forward. We know that CPJ can rack up assists against second or third string opponents. We also know that against better units/teams, particularly teams that have scouted him, he struggles. IMO his limitations are such that he's never going to be a post season option and the organization's goal should be to find out if they have one on the roster, or not. Even yesterday CPJ was -2 in 16 minutes despite recording 10 assists.

Season high assists last year was 12 against Portland and some other team with both his former head coach and one of the top defenses in the league in Detroit. Also had 11 in 22 minutes the Sixers.

You think that teams suddenly started scouting him but I think he just got pushed out of position and ultimately out of the rotation by Harden and Schroder (and Ellis) after the trade deadline. If I'm coaching I would almost never play him at the same time as Harden because he's not who you want as a spot shooter next to an iso-heavy ballhandler. But I definitely know he's going to find Mitchell and Merrill and Allen in the half-court. He's going to feed Thomas plenty, too, if they get reps together.

You know better than to take a single game plus-minus from a preseason game as evidence of anything, but on a night where no one had a positive plus-minus, CPJ wasn't bad.


On 10/27 CPJ played almost 24 minutes against the Pistons and managed 4 points, 3 assist and 1 turnover.
On 1/4 CPJ played 22 minutes against the Pistons and managed 3 points, 1 assist and 1 turnover.
On 2/27 CPJ played 32+ minutes against the Pistons and managed 5 points, 12 assists and 3 turnovers.
On 3/3 CPJ played 22+ minutes against the Pistons and managed 7 points, 3 assists and 1 turnover.

On 11/5 CPJ played 18+ minutes against the Sixers with 0 points, 4 assists and 1 turnover.
On 1/14 CPJ played 18 minutes against the Sixers with 1 point, 3 assist, and 1 turnover.
On 1/16 CPJ played 22 minutes against the Sixers with 2 points, 11 assists and 1 turnover.
On 3/9 CPJ played 15 minutes against the Sixers with 0 points, 3 assists and 2 turnovers.

He has a good court vision, but the biggest variable in his high assist games was how well did Mitchell, Merrill, or in the game against the Sixers, Tyson shoot from 3. He was also unable to repeat those high assist games against the same opponent which suggest that scouting matters. If you sag of CPJ , make him shoot from the outside, and stay home on the shooters, the results are underwhelming. The constant is he can't defend in transition or the half court. If you set a screen, he isn't going to switch or rotate, he's going to put himself in position for a defensive rebound. He had some success with that initially, but eventually teams started to find the open shooter and there was no defensive rebound, or get a body on him, and again, there was no defensive rebound.

CPJ plays hard and has adjusted his game to account for limitations, but his limitations are very real. Mitchell, Harden, and Merrill will all be in the playoff rotation. The Cavs really need that backup PG to be able to defend the position at least as well as Schroder, who in my mind, wasn't unable to defend the position well enough. Being undersized, POA defense, transition defense, and struggling to defend opposing guards/wings from the perimeter has been a consistent problem in the playoffs. CPJ doesn't solve for any of that.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#612 » by JujitsuFlip » Fri Oct 9, 2026 11:12 pm

jbk1234 wrote:On 10/27 CPJ played almost 24 minutes against the Pistons and managed 4 points, 3 assist and 1 turnover.
On 1/4 CPJ played 22 minutes against the Pistons and managed 3 points, 1 assist and 1 turnover.
On 2/27 CPJ played 32+ minutes against the Pistons and managed 5 points, 12 assists and 3 turnovers.
On 3/3 CPJ played 22+ minutes against the Pistons and managed 7 points, 3 assists and 1 turnover.

On 11/5 CPJ played 18+ minutes against the Sixers with 0 points, 4 assists and 1 turnover.
On 1/14 CPJ played 18 minutes against the Sixers with 1 point, 3 assist, and 1 turnover.
On 1/16 CPJ played 22 minutes against the Sixers with 2 points, 11 assists and 1 turnover.
On 3/9 CPJ played 15 minutes against the Sixers with 0 points, 3 assists and 2 turnovers.

He has a good court vision, but the biggest variable in his high assist games was how well did Mitchell, Merrill, or in the game against the Sixers, Tyson shoot from 3. He was also unable to repeat those high assist games against the same opponent which suggest that scouting matters.

That is not what it suggests or the conclusion we should reach.

10/27 Hunter led the Cavs with 6 assists

1/4 Garland led the Cavs with 6 assists

2/27 CPJ led the Cavs with 12 assists. Harden, Mitchell, and Ellis did not play.

3/3 Harden led the Cavs with 7 assists

11/5 Mitchell and Ball were tied with 8 assists each to lead the Cavs.

1/14 Mitchell led the Cavs with 9 assists

1/16 Mitchell led the Cavs with 12 assists, CPJ started next to him and had 11 assists. Garland didn't play and Ball only played 11 minutes.

3/9 Mitchell led the Cavs with 6 assists

The actual conclusion is that when CPJ is given the role/opportunity to handle the ball a whole bunch, he can set the table for his teammates. When he has to take a back seat or play out of position, he won't generate those same assists.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#613 » by jbk1234 » Fri Oct 9, 2026 11:53 pm

The 1/16 game Tyson had a career high 39 points and was 7 of 9 from 3. Mitchell was 4 of 7 from 3. Even Hunter was 2 for 5 from 3. That's 13 made threes on 21 attempts.

The 2/27 game Tyson, Merrill, and Mobley shot a combined 12 of 25 from 3.

The idea that Hunter and Mitchell took over PG duties and made CPJ play some other role seems comical to me. CPJ rarely shared the court with Ball or Garland.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#614 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Oct 10, 2026 12:10 am

jbk1234 wrote:The 1/16 game Tyson had a career high 39 points and was 7 of 9 from 3. Mitchell was 4 of 7 from 3. Even Hunter was 2 for 5 from 3. That's 13 made threes on 21 attempts.

The 2/27 game Tyson, Merrill, and Mobley shot a combined 12 of 25 from 3.

The idea that Hunter and Mitchell took over PG duties and made CPJ play some other role seems comical to me. CPJ rarely shared the court with Ball or Garland.
Jan 16th, Mitchell played 39 minutes vs Porter's 22 minutes... Mitchell went 12 assists and 6 TO, Porter went 11 assists and 1 TO...

Feb 27th, Harden and Mitchell did not play... Porter 12 assists and 3 TO. 32 minutes and 25 seconds, his highest minutes played in the entire season.

The conclusion is right there for you, yet your dislike of CPJ will only allow your conclusion to be CPJ sucks... When he is given the opportunity as the primary ball handler, he can set the table just as good as your guy Garland.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#615 » by Wisedude » Sat Oct 10, 2026 5:30 pm

Before the 2026 Regular Season starts, I say this: The Cavs again will be a good regular season team and make the playoffs. They will lose again in the playoffs like they did the last 4 seasons. Why? Because Koby Altman has not addressed the biggest need of this team - soft, finesse Center & Power Forward players in the paint. They do not defensively rebound in the paint as needed, no physicality whatsoever, continue to get beat up in the paint and just overall weak defensively as a Team. They just want to outscore the opponent and that doesn't work, never has

The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed Jaxson Robinson and Noam Yaacov to training camp deals.(10/9/2026)
Waiting to see which two players Cleveland waived to open 2 roster spots.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#616 » by JujitsuFlip » Sat Oct 10, 2026 7:33 pm

Jaxson Robinson was on the summer league/training camp squad in 2025. Then played with the Charge, probably just a way to get him paid a lil more.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#617 » by jbk1234 » Sat Oct 10, 2026 7:41 pm

Wisedude wrote:Before the 2026 Regular Season starts, I say this: The Cavs again will be a good regular season team and make the playoffs. They will lose again in the playoffs like they did the last 4 seasons. Why? Because Koby Altman has not addressed the biggest need of this team - soft, finesse Center & Power Forward players in the paint. They do not defensively rebound in the paint as needed, no physicality whatsoever, continue to get beat up in the paint and just overall weak defensively as a Team. They just want to outscore the opponent and that doesn't work, never has

The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed Jaxson Robinson and Noam Yaacov to training camp deals.(10/9/2026)
Waiting to see which two players Cleveland waived to open 2 roster spots.


We paid Watson a lot of money, and sacrificed a lot of depth/flexibility, to be a needle mover out of the SF slot. That move has to work out. The Cavs also have a lot riding on guys like Tyson, Tomlin, Proctor and now Meleek Thomas. With a rotation that will include Mitchell, Harden, and Merrill, at least two of the four have to be able to defend well enough to stay on the floor in the playoffs.

It's difficult to ask your bigs to provide constant penetration help and rebound well. Harder still when the other team figures out that if you get a second body on Allen, the ball will be up for grabs. This is particularly true when it comes to offensive rebounding because you have to send an extra body back in transition defense given our starting backcourt. There's a lot of ball to play to a lot of time to figure things out. I'd like to see Atkinson cut back on the Nutty Professor stuff and adopt an is-it-working-against-the-opponent-in-front-of-you approach.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#618 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Oct 12, 2026 1:21 am

Jim Harden, ladies and gents.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#619 » by JujitsuFlip » Mon Oct 12, 2026 8:42 pm

Wisedude wrote:The Cleveland Cavaliers have signed Jaxson Robinson and Noam Yaacov to training camp deals.(10/9/2026)
Waiting to see which two players Cleveland waived to open 2 roster spots.

According to the transaction log, the Cavaliers released guards Kadary Richmond and Curtis Jones on Friday. They were cut to make roster space for Jaxson Robinson and Noam Yaacov — both signed with Cleveland that same day.
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Re: 2026-27 Off-Season 

Post#620 » by JonFromVA » Mon Oct 12, 2026 9:21 pm

JujitsuFlip wrote:Jim Harden, ladies and gents.


He definitely introduced some of Orlando's young players to Harden-ball, but presumably things look different when they have Suggs and Bane available.

Our ball/player movement still seemed to look pretty meh compared to the peak of Kenny-ball.

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