Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Stillwater]

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure they deserve a 1st in return for Hill... I'm with CLE there.

as good as hill has been shooting from beyond the arc this season his defense has been much less than in previous seasons.
Unless we were assured of getting the Utah Hill (which there is no way of getting assurance) than I'm not sure we should even trade Shumpert at all for him. At least with Shump you know you get a solid on ball defender.

[DusterBuster]

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure they deserve a 1st in return for Hill... I'm with CLE there.

as good as hill has been shooting from beyond the arc this season his defense has been much less than in previous seasons.
Unless we were assured of getting the Utah Hill (which there is no way of getting assurance) than I'm not sure we should even trade Shumpert at all for him. At least with Shump you know you get a solid on ball defender.

Honestly, Hill's defense has always been pretty overrated imo.

[King Ken]

Crowder is on a decent contract and he should be easy to trade.
We don't decide to not make trades because the player is the only legit positional player when we are not even using them at that position.
Whiteside is a waste of $ if Love is not on the roster at the 4.
If Love gets traded before the deadline ( extremely unlikely) it's for 2 lottery picks bare minimum and a bad contract and it equates to a rebuild which seems highly unlikely considering it would punch Lebrons ticket unless the picks were projected in the top 3 and even then probably would. Gilbert is not going to devalue his product right before he sells it.
Gilbert is going to make every move possible to win now and retain Lebron, because if he doesn't he will not be selling this team for nearly what it is worth right now with no future

Love trade value isn't close to high enough to one really high lottery pick at this point much less two. Maybe in weak classes but not right now. It would take a team to already have a top 10 pick and the players they want are gone to be open to doing it. For example, i could see the Suns doing it if they miss out on Sexton and Young. No offense but I don't see it the way you do. I don't see Crowder having much trade value.

I don't see you doing any better than Marvin in a J.R. Smith trade even with a late 1st attached.

I think any Whiteside acquisition to Cleveland must address the PF position with a stretch 4. It can't work otherwise. Miami is trading Whiteside for anyone on your roster not named Love without the Brooklyn pick. I don't know what you want that makes sense. You literally tried to suggest to Atlanta fans to trade Collins for Crowder. That's like Atlanta fans asking for Love for Bazemore. The trade value is astronomically too wide to even make the suggestion.

You gotta get realistic with the market. And yes, you would like to bring in Whiteside with Love but that's not happening without that Brooklyn pick.

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Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

[jbk1234]

Love trade value isn't close to high enough to one really high lottery pick at this point much less two. Maybe in weak classes but not right now. It would take a team to already have a top 10 pick and the players they want are gone to be open to doing it. For example, i could see the Suns doing it if they miss out on Sexton and Young. No offense but I don't see it the way you do. I don't see Crowder having much trade value.

I don't see you doing any better than Marvin in a J.R. Smith trade even with a late 1st attached.

I think any Whiteside acquisition to Cleveland must address the PF position with a stretch 4. It can't work otherwise. Miami is trading Whiteside for anyone on your roster not named Love without the Brooklyn pick. I don't know what you want that makes sense. You literally tried to suggest to Atlanta fans to trade Collins for Crowder. That's like Atlanta fans asking for Love for Bazemore. The trade value is astronomically too wide to even make the suggestion.

You gotta get realistic with the market. And yes, you would like to bring in Whiteside with Love but that's not happening without that Brooklyn pick.

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Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

That's fair. I think there will be two or three teams bidding on him on draft day.

[DusterBuster]

Ed Davis and Evan Turner for Crowder and Thompson?

[jbk1234]

Ed Davis and Evan Turner for Crowder and Thompson?

We can talk about Crowder closer to the deadline.

[DusterBuster]

Ed Davis and Evan Turner for Crowder and Thompson?

We can talk about Crowder closer to the deadline.

Fair enough. My thinking just being Turner and Thompson are pretty equal in terms of under-preforming dead weight contracts and both guys have the same amount of money and years, so they're a wash and a change could do both them and their respective teams some good. With Davis for Crowder, Davis is having a much better year than Crowder and means a lot more to Portland, but the Blazers need a lot of help at SF.

[Stillwater]

Love trade value isn't close to high enough to one really high lottery pick at this point much less two. Maybe in weak classes but not right now. It would take a team to already have a top 10 pick and the players they want are gone to be open to doing it. For example, i could see the Suns doing it if they miss out on Sexton and Young. No offense but I don't see it the way you do. I don't see Crowder having much trade value.

I don't see you doing any better than Marvin in a J.R. Smith trade even with a late 1st attached.

I think any Whiteside acquisition to Cleveland must address the PF position with a stretch 4. It can't work otherwise. Miami is trading Whiteside for anyone on your roster not named Love without the Brooklyn pick. I don't know what you want that makes sense. You literally tried to suggest to Atlanta fans to trade Collins for Crowder. That's like Atlanta fans asking for Love for Bazemore. The trade value is astronomically too wide to even make the suggestion.

You gotta get realistic with the market. And yes, you would like to bring in Whiteside with Love but that's not happening without that Brooklyn pick.

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Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

There isn't a coaches chosen all star in the league that isn't worth 2 lottery picks,c'mon man.
As far as rude awakening I've never had any in my entire life,doubt it's gonna happen here either.
We probably are not shopping Love at all anyway as it's pretty clear the team is not pointing fingers at him, the little guy was the finger pointer with Crowder backing his argument (you see what that got him)and this roster is more torn about the pg position and is more likely pointing at the little guy.
Isaiah needs to accept he isn't that guy here if he wants to be here long enough to see what's it's like to win a championship

[Stillwater]

Ed Davis and Evan Turner for Crowder and Thompson?

We can talk about Crowder closer to the deadline.

Fair enough. My thinking just being Turner and Thompson are pretty equal in terms of under-preforming dead weight contracts and both guys have the same amount of money and years, so they're a wash and a change could do both them and their respective teams some good. With Davis for Crowder, Davis is having a much better year than Crowder and means a lot more to Portland, but the Blazers need a lot of help at SF.

TT showed up strong as a starter against Indy. Keeps it up and he's not by any means dead weight in trade talks or otherwise.
Crowder can't play the 4 against starters.
But his contract is good enough to justify as a reserve here and is also not dead weight in deals.
I want no part of Evan. Davis is a solid expiring probably get him in the offseason reasonable deal.

[DusterBuster]

We can talk about Crowder closer to the deadline.

Fair enough. My thinking just being Turner and Thompson are pretty equal in terms of under-preforming dead weight contracts and both guys have the same amount of money and years, so they're a wash and a change could do both them and their respective teams some good. With Davis for Crowder, Davis is having a much better year than Crowder and means a lot more to Portland, but the Blazers need a lot of help at SF.

TT showed up strong as a starter against Indy. Keeps it up and he's not by any means dead weight in trade talks or otherwise.
Crowder can't play the 4 against starters.
But his contract is good enough to justify as a reserve here and is also not dead weight in deals.
I want no part of Evan. Davis is a solid expiring probably get him in the offseason reasonable deal.

1 game doesn't change my (or most anyone else outside of Cleveland) opinion on TT's value on his current contract.

As for Davis, if he can be had in the offseason on a reasonable deal, Portland would be more than happy to resign him themselves with how good he's been for the Blazers over the past 3 years. Davis on a reasonable contract will be a valuable trade asset moving forward in the future.

[jbk1234]

Fair enough. My thinking just being Turner and Thompson are pretty equal in terms of under-preforming dead weight contracts and both guys have the same amount of money and years, so they're a wash and a change could do both them and their respective teams some good. With Davis for Crowder, Davis is having a much better year than Crowder and means a lot more to Portland, but the Blazers need a lot of help at SF.

TT showed up strong as a starter against Indy. Keeps it up and he's not by any means dead weight in trade talks or otherwise.
Crowder can't play the 4 against starters.
But his contract is good enough to justify as a reserve here and is also not dead weight in deals.
I want no part of Evan. Davis is a solid expiring probably get him in the offseason reasonable deal.

1 game doesn't change my (or most anyone else outside of Cleveland) opinion on TT's value on his current contract.

As for Davis, if he can be had in the offseason on a reasonable deal, Portland would be more than happy to resign him themselves with how good he's been for the Blazers over the past 3 years. Davis on a reasonable contract will be a valuable trade asset moving forward in the future.

I mean TT did have a pretty serious calf injury earlier this season. If we're entering a rebuild this summer, I'd be fine with either TT or Turner as good vets to have around young guys and keep games close while still managing to lose. I'm not really sure I'd switch them without incentive. I wouldn't switch them this season at all.

[Stillwater]

Fair enough. My thinking just being Turner and Thompson are pretty equal in terms of under-preforming dead weight contracts and both guys have the same amount of money and years, so they're a wash and a change could do both them and their respective teams some good. With Davis for Crowder, Davis is having a much better year than Crowder and means a lot more to Portland, but the Blazers need a lot of help at SF.

TT showed up strong as a starter against Indy. Keeps it up and he's not by any means dead weight in trade talks or otherwise.
Crowder can't play the 4 against starters.
But his contract is good enough to justify as a reserve here and is also not dead weight in deals.
I want no part of Evan. Davis is a solid expiring probably get him in the offseason reasonable deal.

1 game doesn't change my (or most anyone else outside of Cleveland) opinion on TT's value on his current contract.

As for Davis, if he can be had in the offseason on a reasonable deal, Portland would be more than happy to resign him themselves with how good he's been for the Blazers over the past 3 years. Davis on a reasonable contract will be a valuable trade asset moving forward in the future.

Thompson is only "dead weight " at that wage if he's not an effective starter. How you gauge value regarding on court impact is another story,but on this roster despite being slightly overpaid he's anything but dead weight unless he doesn't play healthy and leave it all out there.
A lot of the past year he hasn't left it all out there going back to part of last season but last night was a good sign he's healthy finally and so the only reason to move him would be if he wasn't.

[DusterBuster]

TT showed up strong as a starter against Indy. Keeps it up and he's not by any means dead weight in trade talks or otherwise.
Crowder can't play the 4 against starters.
But his contract is good enough to justify as a reserve here and is also not dead weight in deals.
I want no part of Evan. Davis is a solid expiring probably get him in the offseason reasonable deal.

1 game doesn't change my (or most anyone else outside of Cleveland) opinion on TT's value on his current contract.

As for Davis, if he can be had in the offseason on a reasonable deal, Portland would be more than happy to resign him themselves with how good he's been for the Blazers over the past 3 years. Davis on a reasonable contract will be a valuable trade asset moving forward in the future.

Thompson is only "dead weight " at that wage if he's not an effective starter. How you gauge value regarding on court impact is another story,but on this roster despite being slightly overpaid he's anything but dead weight unless he doesn't play healthy and leave it all out there.
A lot of the past year he hasn't left it all out there going back to part of last season but last night was a good sign he's healthy finally and so the only reason to move him would be if he wasn't.

I probably shouldn't have used the term "dead weight". I tend to only reserve those for overpaid guys who can't play, your Chandler Parsons or Meyers Leonard types. Turner and Thompson aren't really dead weight seeing as though they can play, but they're massively overpaid even when they're playing at their peak effectiveness.

[Sactowndog]

Of course he requested a trade. He's on the back nine of his prime and he's racking up DNPs because the Kings announced their sitting their vets as part of the *rebuilding* process.

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure this is accurate. Don’t really need salary relief. My guess is no first was the problem.

[jbk1234]

What was the holdup on the deal, did that ever get reported?

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure this is accurate. Don’t really need salary relief. My guess is no first was the problem.

I have to believe that JR, Shump, & 1st for Hill & filler would've gotten it done. But shaving $9 million (at least) of off Hill's deal and VC expiring would give the Kings enough cap space to sign a legit starter this summer at any position they choose.

[King Ken]

Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

That's fair. I think there will be two or three teams bidding on him on draft day.

I would say, maybe 6-8 teams at the least. I just think Stillwater will be surprised at the value coming back to Cleveland.

[King Ken]

Yeah they want a first on top of the salary relief and the Cavs aren't going to give it.

Not sure this is accurate. Don’t really need salary relief. My guess is no first was the problem.

I have to believe that JR, Shump, & 1st for Hill & filler would've gotten it done. But shaving $9 million (at least) of off Hill's deal and VC expiring would give the Kings enough cap space to sign a legit starter this summer at any position they choose.

You know, I would have to agree. Basically Cleveland didn't want Hill's contract for just Shump and Channing. They wanted them to take J.R. as well and Sac had no interest. Probably asked for the Brooklyn pick.

[King Ken]

Love's value is much higher than you think if that's what you believe.

I cannot see the CLE front office having even a remote interest in acquiring Whiteside unless they took back Thompson and Crowder which they would not do.
As far as Collins availability, I never expected it would be well received by ATL fans, doesn't mean the ORG wouldn't make moves they don't like and whatever you are suggesting it was not straight up for Crowder my proposed deal included the Cav's 2021 1st top 5 protected & a future 2nd.

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

There isn't a coaches chosen all star in the league that isn't worth 2 lottery picks,c'mon man.
As far as rude awakening I've never had any in my entire life,doubt it's gonna happen here either.
We probably are not shopping Love at all anyway as it's pretty clear the team is not pointing fingers at him, the little guy was the finger pointer with Crowder backing his argument (you see what that got him)and this roster is more torn about the pg position and is more likely pointing at the little guy.
Isaiah needs to accept he isn't that guy here if he wants to be here long enough to see what's it's like to win a championship

No. He's not worth two lottery picks.

[jbk1234]

Not sure this is accurate. Don’t really need salary relief. My guess is no first was the problem.

I have to believe that JR, Shump, & 1st for Hill & filler would've gotten it done. But shaving $9 million (at least) of off Hill's deal and VC expiring would give the Kings enough cap space to sign a legit starter this summer at any position they choose.

You know, I would have to agree. Basically Cleveland didn't want Hill's contract for just Shump and Channing. They wanted them to take J.R. as well and Sac had no interest. Probably asked for the Brooklyn pick.

The Kings want Frye, Shump & a 1st for Hill. That's a lot for a guy who is owed $20 million next year, is on the back nine of his career, and wasn't having the best season before his team shut him down. Pretty sure the market for Hill is the Cavs and no one else.

[jbk1234]

I'll just address the Kev stuff. I think you will be in for a rude awakening on Kev's trade value.

That's fair. I think there will be two or three teams bidding on him on draft day.

I would say, maybe 6-8 teams at the least. I just think Stillwater will be surprised at the value coming back to Cleveland.

It will be dependent on two factors: (1) How much bad salary the Cavs are willing to take back; and (2) whether the Cavs prefer the best pick they can get, or the best rebuilding package they can get. I think at team like the Jazz or Suns will be pretty motivated.