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[jbk1234]

Lauri with that 20 & 10 though

Yeah, there's a really good chance I'm going to be big mad about Lauri being included that trade instead of Love or LeVert.

Guess we'll see how far the Cavs go, if it ends up in a ECF appearance or maybe a Finals appearance, might end up being worth it.

I'll never be convinced that Ainge wouldn't have taken all those picks, Sexton, Agbaji, and expiring filler. Once they insisted on Agbaji, we should've negotiated to retain Lauri.

[JujitsuFlip]

Yeah, there's a really good chance I'm going to be big mad about Lauri being included that trade instead of Love or LeVert.

Guess we'll see how far the Cavs go, if it ends up in a ECF appearance or maybe a Finals appearance, might end up being worth it.

I'll never be convinced that Ainge wouldn't have taken all those picks, Sexton, Agbaji, and expiring filler. Once they insisted on Agbaji, we should've negotiated to retain Lauri.

Yeah, i agree. Or if they were set on Lauri, find a way to retain Agbaji, bc doesn't seem like they even use him.

[JonFromVA]

Its pre-season ... and we should all be well aware of the limitations of the players we gave up. Best case Ainge features Lauri like the Knicks did with Randle and cash out some more picks by the trade deadline.

[JujitsuFlip]

Its pre-season ... and we should all be well aware of the limitations of the players we gave up. Best case Ainge features Lauri like the Knicks did with Randle and cash out some more picks by the trade deadline.

I don't think that's true, Agbaji is a rookie, no one knows.

But dang, Lauri averaged 16.5 ppg and 6.75 rpg for the preseason, that's pretty good.

[JonFromVA]

Its pre-season ... and we should all be well aware of the limitations of the players we gave up. Best case Ainge features Lauri like the Knicks did with Randle and cash out some more picks by the trade deadline.

I don't think that's true, Agbaji is a rookie, no one knows.

But dang, Lauri averaged 16.5 ppg and 6.75 rpg for the preseason, that's pretty good.

Which part isn't true?

It wasn't just pre-season games against vets who don't care and players who won't make a roster?

We don't know the limitations of the players we gave up?

Or that the Jazz shouldn't sell high on Lauri before his limitations become a problem?

If we're supposed to care about pre-season stats, we should probably care about Lauri's 21% shooting from 3pt, his 1:1 A/TO ratio and his -6.5 +/-.

[JujitsuFlip]

Its pre-season ... and we should all be well aware of the limitations of the players we gave up. Best case Ainge features Lauri like the Knicks did with Randle and cash out some more picks by the trade deadline.

I don't think that's true, Agbaji is a rookie, no one knows.

But dang, Lauri averaged 16.5 ppg and 6.75 rpg for the preseason, that's pretty good.

Which part isn't true?

It wasn't just pre-season games against vets who don't care and players who won't make a roster?

We don't know the limitations of the players we gave up?

Or that the Jazz shouldn't sell high on Lauri before his limitations become a problem?

If we're supposed to care about pre-season stats, we should probably care about Lauri's 21% shooting from 3pt, his 1:1 A/TO ratio and his -6.5 +/-.

How can you know the limitation of a rookie? He's never played in the league, Mobley came out last season and surprised everyone.

Haha touché on Lauri, still woulda been nice to have him at SF.

[JonFromVA]

I don't think that's true, Agbaji is a rookie, no one knows.

But dang, Lauri averaged 16.5 ppg and 6.75 rpg for the preseason, that's pretty good.

Which part isn't true?

It wasn't just pre-season games against vets who don't care and players who won't make a roster?

We don't know the limitations of the players we gave up?

Or that the Jazz shouldn't sell high on Lauri before his limitations become a problem?

If we're supposed to care about pre-season stats, we should probably care about Lauri's 21% shooting from 3pt, his 1:1 A/TO ratio and his -6.5 +/-.

How can you know the limitation of a rookie? He's never played in the league, Mobley came out last season and surprised everyone.

Haha touché on Lauri, still woulda been nice to have him at SF.

I think you're taking the word differently than I meant it. I'm not saying we know the future, but we have a pretty good idea of the strengths/weaknesses of those players and pre-season isn't when/where a player can change anybody's conception of those.

[jbk1234]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

[JonFromVA]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

Apparently so did Collin.

[jbk1234]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

Apparently so did Collin.

Off the bench. If we had gotten there as quickly as the Jazz did, he might still be here.

[JonFromVA]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

Apparently so did Collin.

Off the bench. If we had gotten there as quickly as the Jazz did, he might still be here.

Jordan Clarkson's revenge? Not sure that's going to last.

The sad thing is Agbaji couldn't even get play time in pre-season - wondering what's going on there.

[toooskies]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

Apparently so did Collin.

Off the bench. If we had gotten there as quickly as the Jazz did, he might still be here.

Sexton was playing the second halves of quarters, with roughly half of his minutes (in the 2nd and 4th quarters) against Denver's starting lineup. He did better in those minutes than he did against bench units.

I'd attribute it more to Denver simply having holes at the guard spot on defense, particularly Murray as he comes back from injury.

[toooskies]

Apparently so did Collin.

Off the bench. If we had gotten there as quickly as the Jazz did, he might still be here.

Jordan Clarkson's revenge? Not sure that's going to last.

The sad thing is Agbaji couldn't even get play time in pre-season - wondering what's going on there.

I've been saying it all along, Denver isn't trying to tank. After their trades they still got back a lot of good young players. There isn't a guy in their top 9 who shouldn't be in an NBA rotation. Ainge didn't tank after trading KG and Pierce in Boston, and I don't anticipate him going full tank in Utah either.

Agbaji may just not be ready, and he got to Utah late so he hasn't had a lot of time to learn their system. Looks like they started three bigs (Markkanen/Olynyk/Vanderbilt) with Conley/Clarkson/Sexton/Beasley at the guards and THT more or less being the backup SF.

With Agbaji being both old for a rookie AND not ready, I don't feel bad at all about trading him.

[JonFromVA]

Off the bench. If we had gotten there as quickly as the Jazz did, he might still be here.

Jordan Clarkson's revenge? Not sure that's going to last.

The sad thing is Agbaji couldn't even get play time in pre-season - wondering what's going on there.

I've been saying it all along, Denver isn't trying to tank. After their trades they still got back a lot of good young players. There isn't a guy in their top 9 who shouldn't be in an NBA rotation. Ainge didn't tank after trading KG and Pierce in Boston, and I don't anticipate him going full tank in Utah either.

Agbaji may just not be ready, and he got to Utah late so he hasn't had a lot of time to learn their system. Looks like they started three bigs (Markkanen/Olynyk/Vanderbilt) with Conley/Clarkson/Sexton/Beasley at the guards and THT more or less being the backup SF.

With Agbaji being both old for a rookie AND not ready, I don't feel bad at all about trading him.

Well, being "NBA ready" is more than just playing 4 years in the NCAA - it's unrealistic to expect Ochai to contribute right away, but I expect we'd at least have given him more of a chance than Utah did.

fwiw, the trade of Bogdanovic was a classic tank move - gotta think they could have gotten more for him if they waited; but the key to a proper tank is to make sure you don't have a PG who knows how to orchestrate an offense. So, let's see what happens with Conley.

[toooskies]

Jordan Clarkson's revenge? Not sure that's going to last.

The sad thing is Agbaji couldn't even get play time in pre-season - wondering what's going on there.

I've been saying it all along, Denver isn't trying to tank. After their trades they still got back a lot of good young players. There isn't a guy in their top 9 who shouldn't be in an NBA rotation. Ainge didn't tank after trading KG and Pierce in Boston, and I don't anticipate him going full tank in Utah either.

Agbaji may just not be ready, and he got to Utah late so he hasn't had a lot of time to learn their system. Looks like they started three bigs (Markkanen/Olynyk/Vanderbilt) with Conley/Clarkson/Sexton/Beasley at the guards and THT more or less being the backup SF.

With Agbaji being both old for a rookie AND not ready, I don't feel bad at all about trading him.

Well, being "NBA ready" is more than just playing 4 years in the NCAA - it's unrealistic to expect Ochai to contribute right away, but I expect we'd at least have given him more of a chance than Utah did.

fwiw, the trade of Bogdanovic was a classic tank move - gotta think they could have gotten more for him if they waited; but the key to a proper tank is to make sure you don't have a PG who knows how to orchestrate an offense. So, let's see what happens with Conley.

Or, Ainge liked Olynyk for their starting C spot, which was pretty glaringly weak after the Gobert trade. Puts their best team on the court if you trust Markkanen to be your shooting big on the wing and have enough playmaking in the backcourt to not need it in the frontcourt.

[JujitsuFlip]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

He did again, 24 13 and 5, sheesh. Jazz are 2-0.

[mcfly1204]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

He did again, 24 13 and 5, sheesh. Jazz are 2-0.

For some additional context, 10/23 (2/10 from 3).

[KuruptedCav]

The Jazz are already bringing Sexton off the bench.

Lauri with that 20 & 10 though

Yeah, there's a really good chance I'm going to be big mad about Lauri being included that trade instead of Love or LeVert.

That was fair from the start. But I still suspect Lauri was included for value rather than salary. His salary fitting was convenient.


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[JonFromVA]

Lauri had a good game tonight for the Jazz

He did again, 24 13 and 5, sheesh. Jazz are 2-0.

For some additional context, 10/23 (2/10 from 3).

Bulls fans can tell you stories about Lauri playing like an All-Star, part of why it was hard for some of them to see him go; but if he can stay healthy he has a best opportunity to show what he can do as a featured player and if the Jazz keep winning it can't even be dismissed as empty numbers.

[JujitsuFlip]

Jazz still can't lose! Lauri 31 and 12 tn.