Trade Ideas

[toooskies]

From my perspective, you're on the clock to put together the best team you can before Mobley extends, because once he comes off his rookie deal, it gets a whole lot harder to make moves. I don't mind them surrendering a late first to give a guy a test drive (not a fan of the target or added value surrendered, but whatever). I wouldn't mind them signing Sexton to a team-friendly deal. But they need to be very, very careful not to make moves that remove the possibility of better, unknown options between now and when Mobley comes off his rookie deal.

I mean to keep the most options open the Cavs will 100% either extend Sexton or have him part of a S&T where they can bring back salary that can immediately or soon to be used as an expiring contract in a future trade. Honestly the Cavs are going to be capped out going forward no matter what so they need to keep a certain amount of contracts on the books to facilitate trades. I think that's also part of why they went after LeVert over someone like Powell. Powell has multiple years on his deal that are increasing year after year, so if he ends up regressing in a different role for the Cavs or they realize he's not performing as well as they hoped, then his value will tank and with all the years left on his deal it'll be harder to move. With LeVert even if he doesn't work out as hoped, he'll still end up an expiring contract that they can flip in a trade for a more established player to a team ready to hit the reset button.

The Cavs $38M coming off the books in the summer of 2023, and if they're good enough, they'll have options. The only thing they can't do is go full Knicks and sign a bunch of team-friendly deals that turn out to be untradeable because the other 29 teams have a very different definition of *team-friendly.* This is also why I'm convinced former agents don't make the best GMs.

I don't think the Cavs' potential to actually land free agents is affected that much by how good the team is. I mean, it takes us from "ask Cleveland for an offer so the team I want to go to will make a competitive offer" to "ask Cleveland for an offer so the team I want to go to will make the same offer", but I still see us paying retail price for most free agents and far, far away from the rotation-vets-on-minimum-deals market that teams like the Lakers get. We will have cap space, but I wouldn't be surprised if all we do is re-sign Love and LeVert when we get there.

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs traded from Drummond and didn't extend him.
They had to sign Lauri to an "extension" because it was a S&T. It was basically like signing a FA, which you sort of have to pay before seeing what they can do.
Allen they still got to see what he could do for half a year before deciding, yeah I want to invest in him.
LeVert was brought in because he filled a skillset that we were missing due to injury. This will be a trial period this year to see if they decide to extend him with a year still on his deal or if they'll want to wait another year/possibly use him as an expiring deal in a trade next year.
Sexton will be paid/not paid based on the contract he wants, what other teams might offer, and more.

IMO ...

Drummond was an experiment, we gave up next to nothing for him to get a look at how our team would look with a big man.

Allen kind of flopped, a whole lot of fans thought his contract was an overpay. This was actually a case where the Cavs stayed committed to what they saw in Allen inspite of what was going on, on the floor.

LeVert is exactly like Allen.

The problem with Sexton is that even if he returns that he won't be happy about his role or his pay, and Klutch is not the agency to give him a reality check. He may very well take the QO as a chance to prove himself or hold out for a trade if he's afraid he won't get the opportunity to prove himself. I'd love to see a sign this wasn't the case. Hopefully he at least returns to the team post-LeVert trade.

Our core of Allen-Mobley-Garland is set and we simply don't need any hassle from anyone else on the roster.

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

My read is that Collin doesn't want fair market, he wants what he feels a young dynamic 24 ppg scoring point-guard is worth (ex: Mitchell, Booker, etc), and if you try to tell him he's not that player and other teams don't value him like that, he's going to say let me prove to you I am and then you will have to pay me.

That's why he goes out and hires Klutch - to either get him the money he feels he deserves, or get him to a team that's willing to pay him the money he deserves.

And sure, that his right, but we're the scorched Earth left in the wake of whatever antics Klutch dreams up to try to make that happen. We can let this play out further, but 24 hours from now, we'll have lost a lot of leverage.

[jbk1234]

I mean to keep the most options open the Cavs will 100% either extend Sexton or have him part of a S&T where they can bring back salary that can immediately or soon to be used as an expiring contract in a future trade. Honestly the Cavs are going to be capped out going forward no matter what so they need to keep a certain amount of contracts on the books to facilitate trades. I think that's also part of why they went after LeVert over someone like Powell. Powell has multiple years on his deal that are increasing year after year, so if he ends up regressing in a different role for the Cavs or they realize he's not performing as well as they hoped, then his value will tank and with all the years left on his deal it'll be harder to move. With LeVert even if he doesn't work out as hoped, he'll still end up an expiring contract that they can flip in a trade for a more established player to a team ready to hit the reset button.

The Cavs $38M coming off the books in the summer of 2023, and if they're good enough, they'll have options. The only thing they can't do is go full Knicks and sign a bunch of team-friendly deals that turn out to be untradeable because the other 29 teams have a very different definition of *team-friendly.* This is also why I'm convinced former agents don't make the best GMs.

That $38M coming off the books in summer of 2023 is already allocated for Garland if he ends up getting the max. His cap hold alone is going to be 22 mil at least. I think Sexton will get around 18-22 AAV and it'll be viewed as movable. Also LeVert would be in play for a similar deal. If the Cavs renounce and sign no one this off-season and renounce everyone except Garland who will get a max contract, they'll only have 16 mil in in cap space after Garland's extension, 25 mil prior. They won't have capspace to make a meaningful move.

Well, if they don't extend LeVert, or re-sign Sexton, they'll have $57M in committed salary that summer. Garland gets 25% of the cap so that's about $30M. They'll have maxish space.

[JonFromVA]

If he's willing to take the TPMLE I don't care if it's 1 or multiple years, I'll take it. His leadership and primary ballhandling skills will be a boon to the team regardless. I mean who would you rather give the TPMLE to over Rubio if he's willing to take it just because they're willing to take it on a multi-year deal. I mean someone actually willing to play on it.

Depending how this post season goes, the Cavs may actually draw some interest from a subset of the ring chaser crowd.

Next season could be truly awful for Ricky, he may miss half of it in rehab then struggle to get back to whatever his new 100% is for the rest of the season. If he's going to be any good again (and that's a big if), it's far more likely to happen in year 2 and 3 then 1.

I mean who do you think we're bidding against, here?

Warriors, Bulls, Knicks, Bucks, Miami, 76ers, Dallas, basically any team that is a contender and could use a competent veteran back-up PG for the TPMLE.

Alas, Ricky isn't going to be be a competent veteran backup PG this Summer when teams are spending their TPMLE.

[Revenged25]

The Cavs $38M coming off the books in the summer of 2023, and if they're good enough, they'll have options. The only thing they can't do is go full Knicks and sign a bunch of team-friendly deals that turn out to be untradeable because the other 29 teams have a very different definition of *team-friendly.* This is also why I'm convinced former agents don't make the best GMs.

That $38M coming off the books in summer of 2023 is already allocated for Garland if he ends up getting the max. His cap hold alone is going to be 22 mil at least. I think Sexton will get around 18-22 AAV and it'll be viewed as movable. Also LeVert would be in play for a similar deal. If the Cavs renounce and sign no one this off-season and renounce everyone except Garland who will get a max contract, they'll only have 16 mil in in cap space after Garland's extension, 25 mil prior. They won't have capspace to make a meaningful move.

Well, if they don't extend LeVert, or re-sign Sexton, they'll have $57M in committed salary that summer. Garland gets 25% of the cap so that's about $30M. They'll have maxish space.

Yeah I noticed I missed the fact that the pick was still showing at top 3 instead of late 1st so that freed up another 6-7 mil. The problem is if you look at the FA list for 2023, most will either be old and their max will be higher than we have, a RFA so a max offer will be matched, or doesn't fit the expected needs of the team. At that point it'd be looking to do a trade into cap space for a guy like Brown which we wouldn't have any assets Boston would want unless they wanted strictly picks as most/all of the players we might've traded with any value we released/renounced.

[Revenged25]

IMO ...

Drummond was an experiment, we gave up next to nothing for him to get a look at how our team would look with a big man.

Allen kind of flopped, a whole lot of fans thought his contract was an overpay. This was actually a case where the Cavs stayed committed to what they saw in Allen inspite of what was going on, on the floor.

LeVert is exactly like Allen.

The problem with Sexton is that even if he returns that he won't be happy about his role or his pay, and Klutch is not the agency to give him a reality check. He may very well take the QO as a chance to prove himself or hold out for a trade if he's afraid he won't get the opportunity to prove himself. I'd love to see a sign this wasn't the case. Hopefully he at least returns to the team post-LeVert trade.

Our core of Allen-Mobley-Garland is set and we simply don't need any hassle from anyone else on the roster.

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

My read is that Collin doesn't want fair market, he wants what he feels a young dynamic 24 ppg scoring point-guard is worth (ex: Mitchell, Booker, etc), and if you try to tell him he's not that player and other teams don't value him like that, he's going to say let me prove to you I am and then you will have to pay me.

That's why he goes out and hires Klutch - to either get him the money he feels he deserves, or get him to a team that's willing to pay him the money he deserves.

And sure, that his right, but we're the scorched Earth left in the wake of whatever antics Klutch dreams up to try to make that happen. We can let this play out further, but 24 hours from now, we'll have lost a lot of leverage.

Tell me any NBA player that will not try to get every penny they can in a negotiation? Obviously you'll need to excuse the few, hey LeBron and 2 others decided to form a super team and take 1-3 mil slight paycuts to ensure they all fit under the cap.

[JonFromVA]

The Cavs $38M coming off the books in the summer of 2023, and if they're good enough, they'll have options. The only thing they can't do is go full Knicks and sign a bunch of team-friendly deals that turn out to be untradeable because the other 29 teams have a very different definition of *team-friendly.* This is also why I'm convinced former agents don't make the best GMs.

That $38M coming off the books in summer of 2023 is already allocated for Garland if he ends up getting the max. His cap hold alone is going to be 22 mil at least. I think Sexton will get around 18-22 AAV and it'll be viewed as movable. Also LeVert would be in play for a similar deal. If the Cavs renounce and sign no one this off-season and renounce everyone except Garland who will get a max contract, they'll only have 16 mil in in cap space after Garland's extension, 25 mil prior. They won't have capspace to make a meaningful move.

Well, if they don't extend LeVert, or re-sign Sexton, they'll have $57M in committed salary that summer. Garland gets 25% of the cap so that's about $30M. They'll have maxish space.

If only there was an Olympic tourney before we had to consider committing that salary, so Darius could collude with someone to join the team. That's how the big boys roll ...

[JonFromVA]

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

My read is that Collin doesn't want fair market, he wants what he feels a young dynamic 24 ppg scoring point-guard is worth (ex: Mitchell, Booker, etc), and if you try to tell him he's not that player and other teams don't value him like that, he's going to say let me prove to you I am and then you will have to pay me.

That's why he goes out and hires Klutch - to either get him the money he feels he deserves, or get him to a team that's willing to pay him the money he deserves.

And sure, that his right, but we're the scorched Earth left in the wake of whatever antics Klutch dreams up to try to make that happen. We can let this play out further, but 24 hours from now, we'll have lost a lot of leverage.

Tell me any NBA player that will not try to get every penny they can in a negotiation? Obviously you'll need to excuse the few, hey LeBron and 2 others decided to form a super team and take 1-3 mil slight paycuts to ensure they all fit under the cap.

Every player that signs a non-max extension or re-signs with their team before free-agency kicks in. Jarrett Allen is an obvious example.

It's not rocket science for an agent to tell a player whether they're getting a fair deal or not, at worst they can make a few calls.

But then there's a special group of players who are either being misled by their agent or have their own self-delusions that don't permit them to grasp what a fair deal is. For instance, we know from Nerlens Noel's court filings that one reason he turned down the $70M offer from the Mavs is because he ran in to Rich Paul (who wasn't even his agent at the time) and Paul reportedly insisted that was a bad deal and he could get him a lot more.

In a sense Collin is lucky that his knee injury was a minor one. If it was a career ending/altering injury he would have lost a boatload of money betting on himself.

[jbk1234]

IMO ...

Drummond was an experiment, we gave up next to nothing for him to get a look at how our team would look with a big man.

Allen kind of flopped, a whole lot of fans thought his contract was an overpay. This was actually a case where the Cavs stayed committed to what they saw in Allen inspite of what was going on, on the floor.

LeVert is exactly like Allen.

The problem with Sexton is that even if he returns that he won't be happy about his role or his pay, and Klutch is not the agency to give him a reality check. He may very well take the QO as a chance to prove himself or hold out for a trade if he's afraid he won't get the opportunity to prove himself. I'd love to see a sign this wasn't the case. Hopefully he at least returns to the team post-LeVert trade.

Our core of Allen-Mobley-Garland is set and we simply don't need any hassle from anyone else on the roster.

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

My read is that Collin doesn't want fair market, he wants what he feels a young dynamic 24 ppg scoring point-guard is worth (ex: Mitchell, Booker, etc), and if you try to tell him he's not that player and other teams don't value him like that, he's going to say let me prove to you I am and then you will have to pay me.

That's why he goes out and hires Klutch - to either get him the money he feels he deserves, or get him to a team that's willing to pay him the money he deserves.

And sure, that his right, but we're the scorched Earth left in the wake of whatever antics Klutch dreams up to try to make that happen. We can let this play out further, but 24 hours from now, we'll have lost a lot of leverage.

So two thoughts: (1) Part of me thinks that Sexton would like the opportunity to prove it here, even if on the Q.O., and get the money from the Cavs. I mean he played on a rebuilding team that sucked for three years, now we're good, and he'd like to stay. But the opportunity to prove it here, behind LeVert, doesn't really exist. He can't take the Q.O. and then be buried on the depth chart. (2) I'm not convinced that Sexton's market among teams who have space is all that good right now (although the Pacers may kick the tires if they can't come to an agreement with Warren). CAA certainly had conversations with those teams, reported the results, and were promptly fired. I'm not sure how much leverage the Cavs lose after the deadline if Kutch needs a S&T to get Sexton paid this summer.

If a team like the Knicks offered a promising young player on a rookie deal, e.g. Grimes, the Cavs should look hard at that. But that's not likely to be the case. The best value offered might be within the context of a S&T this summer.

[LivingLegend]

The Cavs traded from Drummond and didn't extend him.
They had to sign Lauri to an "extension" because it was a S&T. It was basically like signing a FA, which you sort of have to pay before seeing what they can do.
Allen they still got to see what he could do for half a year before deciding, yeah I want to invest in him.
LeVert was brought in because he filled a skillset that we were missing due to injury. This will be a trial period this year to see if they decide to extend him with a year still on his deal or if they'll want to wait another year/possibly use him as an expiring deal in a trade next year.
Sexton will be paid/not paid based on the contract he wants, what other teams might offer, and more.

IMO ...

Drummond was an experiment, we gave up next to nothing for him to get a look at how our team would look with a big man.

Allen kind of flopped, a whole lot of fans thought his contract was an overpay. This was actually a case where the Cavs stayed committed to what they saw in Allen inspite of what was going on, on the floor.

LeVert is exactly like Allen.

The problem with Sexton is that even if he returns that he won't be happy about his role or his pay, and Klutch is not the agency to give him a reality check. He may very well take the QO as a chance to prove himself or hold out for a trade if he's afraid he won't get the opportunity to prove himself. I'd love to see a sign this wasn't the case. Hopefully he at least returns to the team post-LeVert trade.

Our core of Allen-Mobley-Garland is set and we simply don't need any hassle from anyone else on the roster.

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

The question is not if Sexton will accepts a different role, its if he can do that different role asked of him. We know that he is a good ISO scorer but do we know he can fit into a system and run it well? If we are shelling out 100M+ because he can score--he better not be a net negative in every other area of the game.

A large part of the reason CLE is so good this year is because they play selfless basketball and are 7th in the league in assists. They were #3 I believe before the Rubio injury. Does Sexton fit into that ball movement right read/right pass style?

Like I said the Cavs know he can ISO score 25ppg on the worst team in the NBA--but do they know if he cant be equally efficient in a smaller role, with the second unit, play better defense, play winning basketball and shot create for others while fitting into the teams 'new' identity? We dont know.....and if the Cavs are going to pay him 100+M they better be dam sure they know hes more than a ISO scorer because if hes not, that contract will come back to eat them alive for years. At that point your paying premium money to a backup PG who averages 18ppg and not much else.

Love a lot of things about Sexton, but he also has a lotta unanswered question marks.

[JonFromVA]

If Sexton was really the type to complain about his role, I think it'll be bigger than you think, then he wouldn't have been willing to take a smaller role to start this year after not agreeing to an extension that could cause him to have a reduced market even before his injury. I think Sexton will want fair market value for his skills, which I can't blame him, but I think he'll accept whatever role the team needs from him if it means winning.

My read is that Collin doesn't want fair market, he wants what he feels a young dynamic 24 ppg scoring point-guard is worth (ex: Mitchell, Booker, etc), and if you try to tell him he's not that player and other teams don't value him like that, he's going to say let me prove to you I am and then you will have to pay me.

That's why he goes out and hires Klutch - to either get him the money he feels he deserves, or get him to a team that's willing to pay him the money he deserves.

And sure, that his right, but we're the scorched Earth left in the wake of whatever antics Klutch dreams up to try to make that happen. We can let this play out further, but 24 hours from now, we'll have lost a lot of leverage.

So two thoughts: (1) Part of me thinks that Sexton would like the opportunity to prove it here, even if on the Q.O., and get the money from the Cavs. I mean he played on a rebuilding team that sucked for three years, now we're good, and he'd like to stay. But the opportunity to prove it here, behind LeVert, doesn't really exist. He can't take the Q.O. and then be buried on the depth chart. (2) I'm not convinced that Sexton's market among teams who have space is all that good right now (although the Pacers may kick the tires if they can't come to an agreement with Warren). CAA certainly had conversations with those teams, reported the results, and were promptly fired. I'm not sure how much leverage the Cavs lose after the deadline if Kutch needs a S&T to get Sexton paid this summer.

If a team like the Knicks offered a promising young player on a rookie deal, e.g. Grimes, the Cavs should look hard at that. But that's not likely to be the case. The best value offered might be within the context of a S&T this summer.

Yeah, teams may very well be scared of trading for Collin for all the reasons I think the Cavs should be trying to trade him. At least if they get him via a S&T, the contract terms will have been decided.

So, sure, it's possible we get a better deal by waiting and that depends a great deal on how bad the offers we're getting now are; but we're also one step closer to losing control of the situation and having to make some sort of move just to make a problem go away or suffer another distraction to what should be an amazing season.

[KuruptedCav]

If Rubio signs for three years on the NTMLE, he's crazy. He won't know how long it will take to come all the way back from his knee, but by the 2023 offseason he should be nearing full health and wanting at least a full MLE paycheck.

Much more likely to take a 1-year deal on the TP MLE, or a 2-year deal with a PO on the second year, so he can get a raise when he's fully back from the ACL tear. Lots of teams have cap room in 2023 so he'll have options. Also makes sense from the Cavs' perspective to mitigate long-term risk that he never comes back fully from injury. The Cavs can retain Goodwin in the Pangos "third PG" role, even though he'll probably get minutes throughout the year (depending on LeVert and Sexton).

Rubio will take a three year deal because:

"When my son starts school, the NBA will not be worth it," Rubio said. "I will have to go back [to Spain]. I don't want to make him dizzy moving around when he's six-years old, at the age of starting to make friends.”


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That doesn't prohibit him taking a one-year deal for next year and then getting a two-year deal once healthy.

There's no significant advantage to that unless the market bottoms out for him. A team signing him doesn't get his bird rights. They get non-bird rights. In that scenario, he takes less money and the risk that he doesn't return to form; for the potential that he comes back, performs, and teams have more money to spend. But, sans bird rights, he's going to struggle to get north of the MLE. In 2021 we saw TWO free agents change teams (outside of a S&T) and get more than the MLE; Oubre to Charlotte and Olynyk to Detroit. Why?

Rubio will take one of three routes:
1) Resign either short-term or long-term with the Pacers at an amount both are comfortable with.
2) Negotiate a S&T to a team he wants to play for. That contract needs to be for 3 or 4 years (can't use PO to reduce it), can be non-guaranteed, but that's one heck of a risk for him to take on.
3) Accept a lower $ contract, likely 3 years @ $31.5 million non-taxpayer MLE and leave via free agency.

If he accepts a lower $ contract for 1 year, it becomes less likely he makes up the difference. His next contract likely tops out at the NTMLE and he lands 2 years and $22 million. With the Covid cash crunch, there aren't many teams flush with cap space, players seemed to lock up earlier because the cap growth is slower.

[toooskies]

Rubio will take a three year deal because:

"When my son starts school, the NBA will not be worth it," Rubio said. "I will have to go back [to Spain]. I don't want to make him dizzy moving around when he's six-years old, at the age of starting to make friends.”


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That doesn't prohibit him taking a one-year deal for next year and then getting a two-year deal once healthy.

There's no significant advantage to that unless the market bottoms out for him. A team signing him doesn't get his bird rights. They get non-bird rights. In that scenario, he takes less money and the risk that he doesn't return to form; for the potential that he comes back, performs, and teams have more money to spend. But, sans bird rights, he's going to struggle to get north of the MLE. In 2021 we saw TWO free agents change teams (outside of a S&T) and get more than the MLE; Oubre to Charlotte and Olynyk to Detroit. Why?

Rubio will take one of three routes:
1) Resign either short-term or long-term with the Pacers at an amount both are comfortable with.
2) Negotiate a S&T to a team he wants to play for. That contract needs to be for 3 or 4 years (can't use PO to reduce it), can be non-guaranteed, but that's one heck of a risk for him to take on.
3) Accept a lower $ contract, likely 3 years @ $31.5 million non-taxpayer MLE and leave via free agency.

If he accepts a lower $ contract for 1 year, it becomes less likely he makes up the difference. His next contract likely tops out at the NTMLE and he lands 2 years and $22 million. With the Covid cash crunch, there aren't many teams flush with cap space, players seemed to lock up earlier because the cap growth is slower.

The reason why no one spent on non-bird FAs last off-season, and why no one will this off-season, is because no one has cap space. Everyone will have cap space in 2023, that's when a ton of teams have expirings.

I'm not sure Indiana re-signs him while they have Brogdon, Haliburton, and O'Connell there already. And very few teams are going to be knocking down his door to not play for the first half of the season.

[Wisedude]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

[jbk1234]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

There are a few issues with that: (1) We should probably see how LeVert actually fits on the court before concluding we don't need Sexton; (2) It's not clear teams with cap space are going to offer Sexton the type of contract he wants. The teams who wanted to trade for him last summer were all over the cap teams who had no other way off adding a guy like him; and (3) Klutch is going to scour the NBA high and low this summer for S&T deals before letting play on the Q.O. or sign a deal a team-friendly deal the Cavs will match.

[Wisedude]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

There are a few issues with that: (1) We should probably see how LeVert actually fits on the court before concluding we don't need Sexton; (2) It's not clear teams with cap space are going to offer Sexton the type of contract he wants. The teams who wanted to trade for him last summer were all over the cap teams who had no other way off adding a guy like him; and (3) Klutch is going to scour the NBA high and low this summer for S&T deals before letting play on the Q.O. or sign a deal a team-friendly deal the Cavs will match.

No issues as I see it. Just like there are no issues with the Markennen trade. Many posted how at the time it was a disaster...lol...Sexton no longer is a fit but the Cavs won't give him away....Altman will be patient and wait until he gets good value. Might have to wait for a sign and trade this summer. Time will tell but imo, Sexton's days are numbered because he believes he is a starter in the league and wants starter money. So we will see either today or this summer.

[jbk1234]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

There are a few issues with that: (1) We should probably see how LeVert actually fits on the court before concluding we don't need Sexton; (2) It's not clear teams with cap space are going to offer Sexton the type of contract he wants. The teams who wanted to trade for him last summer were all over the cap teams who had no other way off adding a guy like him; and (3) Klutch is going to scour the NBA high and low this summer for S&T deals before letting play on the Q.O. or sign a deal a team-friendly deal the Cavs will match.

No issues as I see it. Just like there are no issues with the Markennen trade. Many posted how at the time it was a disaster...lol...Sexton no longer is a fit but the Cavs won't give him away....Altman will be patient and wait until he gets good value. Might have to wait for a sign and trade this summer. Time will tell but imo, Sexton's days are numbered because he believes he is a starter in the league and wants starter money. So we will see either today or this summer.

I mean if the Knicks were to offer IQ and Grimes, I'd probably jump on that right now, but I don't see teams making solid offers for him until they've agreed on numbers and that can't happen until this summer.

[Wisedude]

There are rumbles that Sexton might be ready to play by the playoffs......teams know that.....imo, Altman would want a 1st round pick for Sexton plus a matching salary.....but it is just my opinion based on what the roster is now and how Altman wants to sustain this team going forward. Altman likes to piggyback on 2 teams making a trade that need a third team.....I would not disturb the current team chemistry, Sexton is not part of this winning chemistry.......easier to trade Sexton at his current salary. We will see if something gets done today but there is also no urgency to trade him either at this time. Only if a team steps up and makes the right offer.

[JonFromVA]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

Oh, I think the minutes will be there ... we're never so lucky as to have everyone healthy for more than a couple of minutes, but I'm afraid Collin won't see it that way. Signs are pointing the other direction, and hey, I get it. His best chance to be starting PG is on a team where he can team up with a point-forward like Cade, LeBron, Doncic, Simmons, etc. Or a team like the Knicks where the coach seems to love PG's that can constantly attack the rim, and players in general who will kill themselves for him if asked.

The question is, do any of those teams want him?

But since my opinion is being driven based on reading tea leaves ... Collin did retweet this shot from the Cavs win showing Caris and Jarrett:



Which I'll take as a sign that he hasn't suddenly emotionally detached inspite of his rather depressed instagram post.

I get Collin can't just come out and say "I want to stay a Cavalier and be part of this, so just pay me something reasonable and I will show the world that I'm a superstar" because he will lose negotiating leverage, but that's kind of what I'd like to see. If we continue to get lousy offers for him, I suppose it's all moot and things are just going to have to play out.

[JonFromVA]

There are a few issues with that: (1) We should probably see how LeVert actually fits on the court before concluding we don't need Sexton; (2) It's not clear teams with cap space are going to offer Sexton the type of contract he wants. The teams who wanted to trade for him last summer were all over the cap teams who had no other way off adding a guy like him; and (3) Klutch is going to scour the NBA high and low this summer for S&T deals before letting play on the Q.O. or sign a deal a team-friendly deal the Cavs will match.

No issues as I see it. Just like there are no issues with the Markennen trade. Many posted how at the time it was a disaster...lol...Sexton no longer is a fit but the Cavs won't give him away....Altman will be patient and wait until he gets good value. Might have to wait for a sign and trade this summer. Time will tell but imo, Sexton's days are numbered because he believes he is a starter in the league and wants starter money. So we will see either today or this summer.

I mean if the Knicks were to offer IQ and Grimes, I'd probably jump on that right now, but I don't see teams making solid offers for him until they've agreed on numbers and that can't happen until this summer.

If not knowing what he's going to get paid is the hangup, then it's a sign that teams don't want to max him or commit to match any offer he might get.

One advantage of trading Collin now is we can get a piece back for our playoff run. A pick would be nice, even a pick swap for our second, but I'd think we'd also want someone who can fill a roster hole as well.