2024-25 Regular Season

[JonFromVA]

Isaac Okoro hasn't accepted he can't improve his game at 23:

https://youtu.be/OpKIpheJ92A?si=KffiCB6MxLyBaUiG

I mean he shouldn't *accept* that. It's just that it's the job of the front office to be clear-eyed about what happened in March and the playoffs when we played with a single big and down our leading scorer (as well as Strus/LeVert).

So, were they clear eyed enough for you?

Or do you think they overpaid, and would prefer to see us out from under Okoro's contract as fast as they can find some sucker to take it?

[JujitsuFlip]

Despite all the maneuvering, the Cavs still end up in the tax, that sucks. For me, i would go ahead and fill spot 15, even if it is with a non guaranteed guy. No reason to leave it open.

Rondo ('22), Green ('23), and Morris ('24) all got to the team way too late in the season. They all ended up seeing post season minutes too.

[jbk1234]

Isaac Okoro hasn't accepted he can't improve his game at 23:

https://youtu.be/OpKIpheJ92A?si=KffiCB6MxLyBaUiG

I mean he shouldn't *accept* that. It's just that it's the job of the front office to be clear-eyed about what happened in March and the playoffs when we played with a single big and down our leading scorer (as well as Strus/LeVert).

So, were they clear eyed enough for you?

Or do you think they overpaid, and would prefer to see us out from under Okoro's contract as fast as they can find some sucker to take it?

I think the F.O. did a good job with both Okoro and Sexton. I like the Strus contract and Allen extension. In hindsight, if Niang is going to be difficult to keep on the floor against good teams, you can get what he offers for the vet minimum. Both Gallo and McDermott are looking for roster spots right now.

I think I'm pretty much done with LeVert tbh. I didn't want to trade him at the deadline, but then he sucked in March and the playoffs, again, and now I'd love to trade him to a team looking to get off of money next season.

[toooskies]

I mean he shouldn't *accept* that. It's just that it's the job of the front office to be clear-eyed about what happened in March and the playoffs when we played with a single big and down our leading scorer (as well as Strus/LeVert).

So, were they clear eyed enough for you?

Or do you think they overpaid, and would prefer to see us out from under Okoro's contract as fast as they can find some sucker to take it?

I think the F.O. did a good job with both Okoro and Sexton. I like the Strus contract and Allen extension. In hindsight, if Niang is going to be difficult to keep on the floor against good teams, you can get what he offers for the vet minimum. Both Gallo and McDermott are looking for roster spots right now.

I think I'm pretty much done with LeVert tbh. I didn't want to trade him at the deadline, but then he sucked in March and the playoffs, again, and now I'd love to trade him to a team looking to get off of money next season.

I'm partial to Covington on a minimum, myself.

Niang and LeVert are plenty of disposable salary if/when we make a move to slide under the cap. LeVert for DFS or Harrison Barnes seems plausible.

[ijspeelman]

Despite all the maneuvering, the Cavs still end up in the tax, that sucks. For me, i would go ahead and fill spot 15, even if it is with a non guaranteed guy. No reason to leave it open.

Rondo ('22), Green ('23), and Morris ('24) all got to the team way too late in the season. They all ended up seeing post season minutes too.

They still have the ability to shed salary before the trade deadline and kind of assume they will attempt to based on how close they are to the line

[JujitsuFlip]

Despite all the maneuvering, the Cavs still end up in the tax, that sucks. For me, i would go ahead and fill spot 15, even if it is with a non guaranteed guy. No reason to leave it open.

Rondo ('22), Green ('23), and Morris ('24) all got to the team way too late in the season. They all ended up seeing post season minutes too.

They still have the ability to shed salary before the trade deadline and kind of assume they will attempt to based on how close they are to the line

We have not determined if the tax is determined at the beginning of the season under the new CBA. I reached out to Terry Pluto, he didn't know either. I guess i could see if Fedor knows.

[toooskies]

Despite all the maneuvering, the Cavs still end up in the tax, that sucks. For me, i would go ahead and fill spot 15, even if it is with a non guaranteed guy. No reason to leave it open.

Rondo ('22), Green ('23), and Morris ('24) all got to the team way too late in the season. They all ended up seeing post season minutes too.

They still have the ability to shed salary before the trade deadline and kind of assume they will attempt to based on how close they are to the line

Yep. There are some candidates now whom you wouldn't feel terrible moving (i.e. LeVert or Niang), but we might play this like we did with Rubio where we see if there's an injured player we can send off for another useful piece (while cutting a bit of salary).

The most notable thing is that Altman isn't likely to simply stand pat at the trade deadline like the past two years.

[toooskies]

Nice piece on Jaylon Tyson and his brother:

Read on Twitter

Notably, Jaylon is so much of a worker on his game that he turned his brother into a worker at football.

[JujitsuFlip]

Idk what anyone knows about Jules Bernard but the Charge just acquired his G league rights, so maybe he shows up in camp.

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/23/24252819/cavs-reportedly-add-four-players-to-training-camp-roster

He did make the camp roster, along with Pete Nance and 2 other guys I've never heard of. They're probably all destined for the Charge.

[toooskies]

Read on Twitter

Different guys reported by Fedor. Looks like Tomlin and Osabxxxx are being signed/waived so the Charge have rights to them.

[JujitsuFlip]

Read on Twitter

Different guys reported by Fedor. Looks like Tomlin and Osabxxxx are being signed/waived so the Charge have rights to them.

Ah, good catch toooskies! I wish Smith could make the regular roster on a non guaranteed but Nance would probably make more sense.

[toooskies]

Read on Twitter

Different guys reported by Fedor. Looks like Tomlin and Osabxxxx are being signed/waived so the Charge have rights to them.

Ah, good catch toooskies! I wish Smith could make the regular roster on a non guaranteed but Nance would probably make more sense.

I think spot #15 is going to be empty or used for 10-day contracts if a position sees a ton of injuries.

[JujitsuFlip]

Read on Twitter

Different guys reported by Fedor. Looks like Tomlin and Osabxxxx are being signed/waived so the Charge have rights to them.

Ah, good catch toooskies! I wish Smith could make the regular roster on a non guaranteed but Nance would probably make more sense.

I think spot #15 is going to be empty or used for 10-day contracts if a position sees a ton of injuries.

That has been the standard the past like 3 years, so you're probably right. Can't sign 10 day contracts until January though.

I just dislike that approach because Rondo, Green, and Morris have zero time with the team but are then in the post season rotation. Sucks.

[toooskies]

Ah, good catch toooskies! I wish Smith could make the regular roster on a non guaranteed but Nance would probably make more sense.

I think spot #15 is going to be empty or used for 10-day contracts if a position sees a ton of injuries.

That has been the standard the past like 3 years, so you're probably right. Can't sign 10 day contracts until January though.

I just dislike that approach because Rondo, Green, and Morris have zero time with the team but are then in the post season rotation. Sucks.

Before January 10th that contract can be a non-guaranteed contract. Technically a 10-day contract is the exception to the fact that contracts become fully guaranteed sometime in January.

[JujitsuFlip]

I think spot #15 is going to be empty or used for 10-day contracts if a position sees a ton of injuries.

That has been the standard the past like 3 years, so you're probably right. Can't sign 10 day contracts until January though.

I just dislike that approach because Rondo, Green, and Morris have zero time with the team but are then in the post season rotation. Sucks.

Before January 10th that contract can be a non-guaranteed contract. Technically a 10-day contract is the exception to the fact that contracts become fully guaranteed sometime in January.

They brought no vets to camp, so we all know spot 15 will sit vacant until at least January.

[toooskies]

That has been the standard the past like 3 years, so you're probably right. Can't sign 10 day contracts until January though.

I just dislike that approach because Rondo, Green, and Morris have zero time with the team but are then in the post season rotation. Sucks.

Before January 10th that contract can be a non-guaranteed contract. Technically a 10-day contract is the exception to the fact that contracts become fully guaranteed sometime in January.

They brought no vets to camp, so we all know spot 15 will sit vacant until at least January.

I'm just saying if we see injuries at a specific position, we can sign a guy like Pete Nance to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him when our guys get healthy, if that happens in November or December. You aren't allowed to do that after the January guarantee date, but you are allowed to sign guys to 10-days.

It's less productive to do that with two-way guys.

[JujitsuFlip]

Before January 10th that contract can be a non-guaranteed contract. Technically a 10-day contract is the exception to the fact that contracts become fully guaranteed sometime in January.

They brought no vets to camp, so we all know spot 15 will sit vacant until at least January.

I'm just saying if we see injuries at a specific position, we can sign a guy like Pete Nance to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him when our guys get healthy, if that happens in November or December. You aren't allowed to do that after the January guarantee date, but you are allowed to sign guys to 10-days.

It's less productive to do that with two-way guys.

I'd just carry Nance in spot 15 from day 1 on a non guaranteed spot, what does it hurt? Cavs are already into the tax. That was the only logical reason to leave it vacant the past 3 seasons.

[jbk1234]

The most compelling reason to believe that 15th roster spot remains open is our invite list doesn't exactly overwhelm. Decent chance we pick up someone who gets squeezed off of someone else's roster. TT's contract has zero guaranteed dollars so he's not a lock to make it either.

[JujitsuFlip]

The most compelling reason to believe that 15th roster spot remains open is our invite list doesn't exactly overwhelm. Decent chance we pick up someone who gets squeezed off of someone else's roster. TT's contract has zero guaranteed dollars so he's not a lock to make it either.

Merrill has $0 guaranteed too but we all know he's making the roster. For that matter CPJ does not have a full guarantee.

Cavs probably could've filled their roster out better if they didn't give the other 29 NBA teams a 6 week head start on free agency

[toooskies]

They brought no vets to camp, so we all know spot 15 will sit vacant until at least January.

I'm just saying if we see injuries at a specific position, we can sign a guy like Pete Nance to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him when our guys get healthy, if that happens in November or December. You aren't allowed to do that after the January guarantee date, but you are allowed to sign guys to 10-days.

It's less productive to do that with two-way guys.

I'd just carry Nance in spot 15 from day 1 on a non guaranteed spot, what does it hurt? Cavs are already into the tax. That was the only logical reason to leave it vacant the past 3 seasons.

Because the Cavs can still get under the tax before the deadline?