Trade Ideas

[LivingLegend]

Cavs should try to trade Sexton today and get back a 1st round pick in either 2022 or 2023. It can even be a mid-range to lower 1st round pick. Don't see the minutes there for Sexton anymore and would not have to deal with a contract situation this off season.

Oh, I think the minutes will be there ... we're never so lucky as to have everyone healthy for more than a couple of minutes, but I'm afraid Collin won't see it that way. Signs are pointing the other direction, and hey, I get it. His best chance to be starting PG is on a team where he can team up with a point-forward like Cade, LeBron, Doncic, Simmons, etc. Or a team like the Knicks where the coach seems to love PG's that can constantly attack the rim, and players in general who will kill themselves for him if asked.

The question is, do any of those teams want him?

But since my opinion is being driven based on reading tea leaves ... Collin did retweet this shot from the Cavs win showing Caris and Jarrett:



Which I'll take as a sign that he hasn't suddenly emotionally detached inspite of his rather depressed instagram post.

I get Collin can't just come out and say "I want to stay a Cavalier and be part of this, so just pay me something reasonable and I will show the world that I'm a superstar" because he will lose negotiating leverage, but that's kind of what I'd like to see. If we continue to get lousy offers for him, I suppose it's all moot and things are just going to have to play out.

I wish he would just take 16M a year for 4 years and stay. He could be in a winning environment and the Cavs are never in a position to turn down more talent.

The problem is his role with this team is not going to be the role he probably wants. His 'longterm' outlook on this roster if he resigns is a 6th man backup PG/SG for 24-26min per game who can start if there are injuries.

He is not taking Okoros spot in the lineup and he is clearly not taking Garlands.

Its going to come down to 1) If he wants to be here and accept a reasonable contract and 2) If he is okay being a high usage 6th man.

I think Collin could benefit a ton from doing what Love did with reduced mins and a reduced role so he can stop thinking about passing, running the offense, setting guys up, ect. He would be a 'star in his role' if you just gave him 25min a night off the bench to just told him to go get buckets (like we essentially told Love).

Imagine bringing Sexton, Levert, Cedi and Love OFF THE BENCH That would be incredible. Our bench would be better than 1/2 the leagues starting lineups.

[toooskies]

Imagine bringing Sexton, Levert, Cedi and Love OFF THE BENCH That would be incredible. Our bench would be better than 1/2 the leagues starting lineups.

It would be one of the best benches in the league, but that a bit of an exaggeration.

[jbk1234]

Imagine bringing Sexton, Levert, Cedi and Love OFF THE BENCH That would be incredible. Our bench would be better than 1/2 the leagues starting lineups.

It would be one of the best benches in the league, but that a bit of an exaggeration.

I'm not even sure how effective it would be. That's three guys who absolutely need the ball to be effective and one guy who gets pouty if he sees his teammates ball stopping.

[toooskies]

Imagine bringing Sexton, Levert, Cedi and Love OFF THE BENCH That would be incredible. Our bench would be better than 1/2 the leagues starting lineups.

It would be one of the best benches in the league, but that a bit of an exaggeration.

I'm not even sure how effective it would be. That's three guys who absolutely need the ball to be effective and one guy who gets pouty if he sees his teammates ball stopping.

Yeah, you'd need to space them out a bit. And even then they're sharing the court with Garland a fair amount. And not a lot of defense.

OTOH someone's almost always hurt in the NBA.

[believelandbret]

My dream came true and we traded Rubio for Levert. However we did throw in our first round pick this year but that almost does not matter at all. Either we sign Levert to a deal we like OR trade Levert as an expiring or sign and trade and get a first round pick right back.

Caris Levert is a stud and was exactly what we needed. Hes not Steph Curry like some of you would like but he can give you twenty points anytime you need him to. Levert makes this team so much better and now Rondo, Osman can be better in a far lesser role.

The Cavs were a winner this trade deadline.

[JonFromVA]

Anyone bother to notice what Ricky Rubio's TS% was this season? Probably not, we were having too much fun watching him get buckets and/or him uplifting the team with his playmaking, IQ, and defense when he was in the game

We just need some combination of LeVert, Rondo, and maybe even Goodwin to replace what Ricky was giving us, and we should be fine.

Usually you'd say trying to replace one guy with 2 or even 3 is far from ideal - but it actually gives JBB some versatility to choose from LeVert's scoring & length, Rondo's leadership and playmaking, or Goodwin's speed and surprisingly decent 3pt shooting.

As a bonus, we should also pickup some aspects of what we hoped Collin would have contributed.

There's a reason Altman and JBB are leaning so hard on team chemistry, because that's what gives this a chance of working; not because anyone is especially impressed by the talent we picked up let alone the talent we've lost. They just need to fill holes without creating new ones we can't cover up.

[jbk1234]

Anyone bother to notice what Ricky Rubio's TS% was this season? Probably not, we were having too much fun watching him get buckets and/or him uplifting the team with his playmaking, IQ, and defense when he was in the game

We just need some combination of LeVert, Rondo, and maybe even Goodwin to replace what Ricky was giving us, and we should be fine.

Usually you'd say trying to replace one guy with 2 or even 3 is far from ideal - but it actually gives JBB some versatility to choose from LeVert's scoring & length, Rondo's leadership and playmaking, or Goodwin's speed and surprisingly decent 3pt shooting.

As a bonus, we should also pickup some aspects of what we hoped Collin would have contributed.

There's a reason Altman and JBB are leaning so hard on team chemistry, because that's what gives this a chance of working; not because anyone is especially impressed by the talent we picked up let alone the talent we've lost. They just need to fill holes without creating new ones we can't cover up.

Goodwin can have Pangos' minutes as far as I'm concerned.

[sisibilio]

(By the way: the Bucks and Marc Gasol -- now in Europe -- had discussed a potential late-season union, but that does not appear to be in the cards with Ibaka on board, sources tell ESPN.)

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Just saying

[JonFromVA]

Anyone bother to notice what Ricky Rubio's TS% was this season? Probably not, we were having too much fun watching him get buckets and/or him uplifting the team with his playmaking, IQ, and defense when he was in the game

We just need some combination of LeVert, Rondo, and maybe even Goodwin to replace what Ricky was giving us, and we should be fine.

Usually you'd say trying to replace one guy with 2 or even 3 is far from ideal - but it actually gives JBB some versatility to choose from LeVert's scoring & length, Rondo's leadership and playmaking, or Goodwin's speed and surprisingly decent 3pt shooting.

As a bonus, we should also pickup some aspects of what we hoped Collin would have contributed.

There's a reason Altman and JBB are leaning so hard on team chemistry, because that's what gives this a chance of working; not because anyone is especially impressed by the talent we picked up let alone the talent we've lost. They just need to fill holes without creating new ones we can't cover up.

Goodwin can have Pangos' minutes as far as I'm concerned.

Pangos would have gotten more of them if he was able to demonstrate being able to do any of the things he was supposed to be able to do.

I hear Garland will sit tonight's game out, which means JBB has an interesting choice whether to start Goodwin again like he did in the last game .vs. Indiana - or try something else thanks to the addition of LeVert.

[Harper4Ferry?]

If we continue to use Goodwin, it's great. To be playoff eligible he'd need to be converted to a normal deal, so we would need to cut one of Davis/Pangos. I'd assume they'd cut Pangos?

[Revenged25]

If we continue to use Goodwin, it's great. To be playoff eligible he'd need to be converted to a normal deal, so we would need to cut one of Davis/Pangos. I'd assume they'd cut Pangos?

Well Pangos is going overseas, so yes Pangos is getting cut.

[JonFromVA]

If we continue to use Goodwin, it's great. To be playoff eligible he'd need to be converted to a normal deal, so we would need to cut one of Davis/Pangos. I'd assume they'd cut Pangos?

Well Pangos is going overseas, so yes Pangos is getting cut.

Yep, so it's just a matter of whether we do something via the buyout market, or even potentially hold out on a decision until we've given Nembhard some run.

[LAL1947]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

[jbk1234]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

[LAL1947]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

Pretty please?

[Revenged25]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

He's signing a 1 year deal in 2023 I'm guessing. Then in 2024 he's going to whatever team drafted his son then retiring afterwards.

[LAL1947]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

He's signing a 1 year deal in 2023 I'm guessing. Then in 2024 he's going to whatever team drafted his son then retiring afterwards.

Why can't that team be Cleveland? He's one of yours! You guys gonna leave him out in the cold?

Besides, Bronny is an athletic SG who might fit next to Garland... and Cleveland gets Lebron a year earlier instead of waiting until the 2023, so he can take the customary 1 year to set things up the way he needs to compete. Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.

[KuruptedCav]

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

He's signing a 1 year deal in 2023 I'm guessing. Then in 2024 he's going to whatever team drafted his son then retiring afterwards.

Why can't that team be Cleveland? He's one of yours! You guys gonna leave him out in the cold?

Besides, Bronny is an athletic SG who might fit next to Garland... and Cleveland gets Lebron a year earlier instead of waiting until the end of 2023, so he can take the customary 1 year to set things up the way he needs to compete. Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.

Because the only thing Lebron has left to do in Cleveland is retire. It’s not like 2016 was a bubble ring. I think he needs to win another in LAL more than he needs to play second fiddle in Cleveland.


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[jbk1234]

If the Lakers were to offer Lebron for Allen, Markkanen and 2x FRPs, would the Cavs do it?

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

Pretty please?

You're better off trading him to a team with a win-now window who'd overpay for a year of LBJ.

[zimpy27]

Nope. LBJ walked out of Cleveland for nothing. He can walk back for nothing in the summer of 2023.

He's pushing up on 38. It's a ridiculous ask.

Pretty please?

You're better off trading him to a team with a win-now window who'd overpay for a year of LBJ.

Happens in 2023 offseason.
Garland, Okoro, LeBron, Mobley, Allen.

Cavs only need to trade Sexton+Lauri into capspace to bring in LeBron, Lakers could have the option of letting LeBron walk for nothing or doing an SnT to get Sexton+Lauri.