2024-25 Regular Season

[JujitsuFlip]

I'm just saying if we see injuries at a specific position, we can sign a guy like Pete Nance to a non-guaranteed contract and cut him when our guys get healthy, if that happens in November or December. You aren't allowed to do that after the January guarantee date, but you are allowed to sign guys to 10-days.

It's less productive to do that with two-way guys.

I'd just carry Nance in spot 15 from day 1 on a non guaranteed spot, what does it hurt? Cavs are already into the tax. That was the only logical reason to leave it vacant the past 3 seasons.

Because the Cavs can still get under the tax before the deadline?

Carrying Nance or anyone else in spot 15 is not gonna make or break that.

[JujitsuFlip]

Looks like it still is the final day of the regular season. Gives us longer to dump Niang or LeVert. Idk if Okoro will be trade eligible this season or not.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

[ijspeelman]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

Yup, i was reading a seperate article that said the front office was imploring jb to play more than 8 guys.

I think jb being stubborn is what got the Cavs outta the bottom of the East. However, i think jb being stubborn is also what lost him his job.

I look forward to seeing 11 guys get a chance every night, it will be a breath of fresh air. If Cavs drop a couple meaningless regular season games, so be it.

[JonFromVA]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

Of course it's a priority for the front office to get the starters through the regular season healthy while having a good chance at evaluating the roster and making sure as many players as possible are ready to contribute if/when needed.

There are so many reasons to do it even if it costs a few regular season games while things shake out.

But hey, the season hasn't even started yet. If the front office, coaching staff, and players can't all get on the same page now ...

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

Of course it's a priority for the front office to get the starters through the regular season healthy while having a good chance at evaluating the roster and making sure as many players as possible are ready to contribute if/when needed.

There are so many reasons to do it even if it costs a few regular season games while things shake out.

But hey, the season hasn't even started yet. If the front office, coaching staff, and players can't all get on the same page now ...

To the bold part, wut? lol

[jbk1234]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

[JujitsuFlip]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

We'll just have to wait and see what Kenny has up his sleeve. At least he's willing to try to play more guys, a huge upgrade from the previous 5 seasons where the Cavs were running playoff rotations from day 1 of the regular season.

[jbk1234]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

We'll just have to wait and see what Kenny has up his sleeve. At least he's willing to try to play more guys, a huge upgrade from the previous 5 seasons where the Cavs were running playoff rotations from day 1 of the regular season.

I mean Mobley, Garland, Mitchell and Wade missed 25+ games due to injury. TT got suspended for 25. Ty Jerome pulled a Windler and was out the entire season. That's three starters, a key rotation player, your back up center, and your back up PG. Even if you're running a 10-man rotation, you're well into the back third of your bench for a majority of the season.

JBB had his flaws, but most of our roster got serious run last season, including playing against
playoff teams in March where their limitations got exposed pretty badly. I don't buy that Emoni Bates and D. Jones just needed more run. Those guys just suck. They're fringe NBA players (and that feels charitable). Even CPJ, who got plenty of run during the soft part of our schedule, was borderline unplayable against press defenses in March.

[ijspeelman]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

Its possible the Cavs are punting a few wins instead to evaluate all talent and/or just give the starters more break going into the play-offs. As for either of those possibilities, I am not opposed as I think the Cavs have really shown that they are more about cohesion and longevity over a complete win-now mindset.

Last playoffs, if we had punted a few wins and were lucky enough to play healthy... we could have seen ourselves in the conference finals. That is mostly hindsight and def not guaranteed, but the playoffs have been mostly dominated by the team with both skill and health

[JujitsuFlip]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

We'll just have to wait and see what Kenny has up his sleeve. At least he's willing to try to play more guys, a huge upgrade from the previous 5 seasons where the Cavs were running playoff rotations from day 1 of the regular season.

I mean Mobley, Garland, Mitchell and Wade missed 25+ games due to injury. TT got suspended for 25. Ty Jerome pulled a Windler and was out the entire season. That's three starters, a key rotation player, your back up center, and your back up PG. Even if you're running a 10-man rotation, you're well into the back third of your bench for a majority of the season.

JBB had his flaws, but most of our roster got serious run last season, including playing against
playoff teams in March where their limitations got exposed pretty badly. I don't buy that Emoni Bates and D. Jones just needed more run. Those guys just suck. They're fringe NBA players (and that feels charitable). Even CPJ, who got plenty of run during the soft part of our schedule, was borderline unplayable against press defenses in March.

Well, Kenny disagrees and isn't gonna wait until injury to see what guys have. Day 1, with all the regular guys, he is going to give em a chance. A true breath of fresh air on how to run a NBA rotation in October, before guys get hurt from playing too many mintues or have nothing left to give by April.

[jbk1234]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

Its possible the Cavs are punting a few wins instead to evaluate all talent and/or just give the starters more break going into the play-offs. As for either of those possibilities, I am not opposed as I think the Cavs have really shown that they are more about cohesion and longevity over a complete win-now mindset.

Last playoffs, if we had punted a few wins and were lucky enough to play healthy... we could have seen ourselves in the conference finals. That is mostly hindsight and def not guaranteed, but the playoffs have been mostly dominated by the team with both skill and health

I'm fine punting a few wins. In fact, JBB should've done that a couple of times instead of playing his starters into the ground when we were already playing short handed. It's just that outside of Tyson, Ty Jerome, and maaaaybe Travers/Thor, I'm not sure how much development or evaluation is needed.

TT, Niang, LeVert, Merrill, CPJ, and Okoro are all who they are. We need a trade to balance out the back of our roster. If the timing isn't right in terms of trade partners, it's not right. Just don't be shocked if punting a few wins turns into us getting run out of the gym on certain nights.

[JujitsuFlip]

https://www.fearthesword.com/2024/9/27/24256205/kenny-atkinson-says-he-will-expand-cleveland-cavaliers-rotation-right-away

I absolutely love what Kenny is saying. You can tell this is what gave him the nod for the job. Complete 180 from the 5 seasons of jb.

"I’m gonna play 10 guys right off the bat. I’d say even 11,” Atkinson said in his start-of-the-season media availability. “I think by developing your bench, that prepares you for the playoffs, because you never know right?”

"Geez, how many rotational players do we have?” said Atkinson. “We’re going to play a lot of guys, and our main guys, we’re gonna be really strategic with how we use them. That’s a bit of a shift, definitely part of our coaching staff’s philosophy.”

"First thing is health, right? I think there’s an organizational, kind of collective, integrated approach to how we’re going to build this team up where there’s not only healthy but also peak performance in the playoffs.”

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

Of course it's a priority for the front office to get the starters through the regular season healthy while having a good chance at evaluating the roster and making sure as many players as possible are ready to contribute if/when needed.

There are so many reasons to do it even if it costs a few regular season games while things shake out.

But hey, the season hasn't even started yet. If the front office, coaching staff, and players can't all get on the same page now ...

All seem to be on the same page to me.

[toooskies]

I don't want to be the skunk at the picnic, but a 10 player rotation only works as well as the 10 best guys you can put on the floor. The Cavs are very thin at the frontcourt while redundant at backup wing and guard. Some of that can be adjusted by going small off the bench, but not all of it.

We don't need all of Ty Jerome, CPJ, and Merrill. We don't need all of LeVert, Okoro, and Tyson. We desperately need Wade to stay healthy and/or to upgrade Niang. I'm very skeptical that TT or Thor are the answer at backup center.

Its possible the Cavs are punting a few wins instead to evaluate all talent and/or just give the starters more break going into the play-offs. As for either of those possibilities, I am not opposed as I think the Cavs have really shown that they are more about cohesion and longevity over a complete win-now mindset.

Last playoffs, if we had punted a few wins and were lucky enough to play healthy... we could have seen ourselves in the conference finals. That is mostly hindsight and def not guaranteed, but the playoffs have been mostly dominated by the team with both skill and health

I'm fine punting a few wins. In fact, JBB should've done that a couple of times instead of playing his starters into the ground when we were already playing short handed. It's just that outside of Tyson, Ty Jerome, and maaaaybe Travers/Thor, I'm not sure how much development or evaluation is needed.

TT, Niang, LeVert, Merrill, CPJ, and Okoro are all who they are. We need a trade to balance out the back of our roster. If the timing isn't right in terms of trade partners, it's not right. Just don't be shocked if punting a few wins turns into us getting run out of the gym on certain nights.

Just keep in mind that punting a few wins last year would've meant an 8 seed. JBB didn't have the option of punting a few wins as we started the season barely over .500 and everyone was calling for his job. (Maybe JBB did punt a few wins early on trying to get us to play faster or through Mobley more early in the year, but you wouldn't have known it.)

[jbk1234]

Its possible the Cavs are punting a few wins instead to evaluate all talent and/or just give the starters more break going into the play-offs. As for either of those possibilities, I am not opposed as I think the Cavs have really shown that they are more about cohesion and longevity over a complete win-now mindset.

Last playoffs, if we had punted a few wins and were lucky enough to play healthy... we could have seen ourselves in the conference finals. That is mostly hindsight and def not guaranteed, but the playoffs have been mostly dominated by the team with both skill and health

I'm fine punting a few wins. In fact, JBB should've done that a couple of times instead of playing his starters into the ground when we were already playing short handed. It's just that outside of Tyson, Ty Jerome, and maaaaybe Travers/Thor, I'm not sure how much development or evaluation is needed.

TT, Niang, LeVert, Merrill, CPJ, and Okoro are all who they are. We need a trade to balance out the back of our roster. If the timing isn't right in terms of trade partners, it's not right. Just don't be shocked if punting a few wins turns into us getting run out of the gym on certain nights.

Just keep in mind that punting a few wins last year would've meant an 8 seed. JBB didn't have the option of punting a few wins as we started the season barely over .500 and everyone was calling for his job. (Maybe JBB did punt a few wins early on trying to get us to play faster or through Mobley more early in the year, but you wouldn't have known it.)

Depends on whether you believe that better load management would've lead to fewer injuries. Outside of Mitchell, and maybe Strus, there's reason to be skeptical that overuse was the issue.

However, in March, there were games where we played Garland and Allen in the ground just to stay in the game and we ended up losing those games anyway. In those back-to-back or three games in four nights scenarios, maybe concede one so you're better rested for the others.

TT getting suspended and looking like a different player when he came back sucked. Ty Jerome missing the entire season, after Rubio retired midseason, sucked. It will be great if we don't have to go through a 4th season without a viable backup center and PG.

[JonFromVA]

I know Kenny played tons of guys in Brooklyn (possibly out of necessity), but this feels like the FO made it one of their requirements for the season

Of course it's a priority for the front office to get the starters through the regular season healthy while having a good chance at evaluating the roster and making sure as many players as possible are ready to contribute if/when needed.

There are so many reasons to do it even if it costs a few regular season games while things shake out.

But hey, the season hasn't even started yet. If the front office, coaching staff, and players can't all get on the same page now ...

To the bold part, wut? lol

Until they actually play a game it doesn't cost anyone to buy in and pretend whatever is being told to the media will actually work, but new things rarely go smoothly. Dealing with adversity is the real challenge.

[JonFromVA]

Its possible the Cavs are punting a few wins instead to evaluate all talent and/or just give the starters more break going into the play-offs. As for either of those possibilities, I am not opposed as I think the Cavs have really shown that they are more about cohesion and longevity over a complete win-now mindset.

Last playoffs, if we had punted a few wins and were lucky enough to play healthy... we could have seen ourselves in the conference finals. That is mostly hindsight and def not guaranteed, but the playoffs have been mostly dominated by the team with both skill and health

I'm fine punting a few wins. In fact, JBB should've done that a couple of times instead of playing his starters into the ground when we were already playing short handed. It's just that outside of Tyson, Ty Jerome, and maaaaybe Travers/Thor, I'm not sure how much development or evaluation is needed.

TT, Niang, LeVert, Merrill, CPJ, and Okoro are all who they are. We need a trade to balance out the back of our roster. If the timing isn't right in terms of trade partners, it's not right. Just don't be shocked if punting a few wins turns into us getting run out of the gym on certain nights.

Just keep in mind that punting a few wins last year would've meant an 8 seed. JBB didn't have the option of punting a few wins as we started the season barely over .500 and everyone was calling for his job. (Maybe JBB did punt a few wins early on trying to get us to play faster or through Mobley more early in the year, but you wouldn't have known it.)

With better injury luck and smarter rotations, it won't be a problem relative to last year's W-L record.

[JujitsuFlip]

Of course it's a priority for the front office to get the starters through the regular season healthy while having a good chance at evaluating the roster and making sure as many players as possible are ready to contribute if/when needed.

There are so many reasons to do it even if it costs a few regular season games while things shake out.

But hey, the season hasn't even started yet. If the front office, coaching staff, and players can't all get on the same page now ...

To the bold part, wut? lol

Until they actually play a game it doesn't cost anyone to buy in and pretend whatever is being told to the media will actually work, but new things rarely go smoothly. Dealing with adversity is the real challenge.

Imma choose to be optimistic of the new coaching staff. Everyone has said the right thing and Kenny went out of his way to spend time with Mobley, Mitchell, and Garland in individual workouts this summer.

Kenny will play 11 guys to start the regular season and it'll be fine.

[JonFromVA]

To the bold part, wut? lol

Until they actually play a game it doesn't cost anyone to buy in and pretend whatever is being told to the media will actually work, but new things rarely go smoothly. Dealing with adversity is the real challenge.

Imma choose to be optimistic of the new coaching staff. Everyone has said the right thing and Kenny went out of his way to spend time with Mobley, Mitchell, and Garland in individual workouts this summer.

Kenny will play 11 guys to start the regular season and it'll be fine.

Ok, just don't crash hard if they hit some road bumps.