Trade Ideas (Part III)

[Sherlock]

Is there any circumstance under which the Cavs would be willing to trade Kevin Love for win-now replacement parts?

E.g., send injured Love and Shumpert (salary dump) to Toronto for Ibaka and CJ Miles?

Ibaka gives you a legit stretch 5 in the middle who can block shots on D, but is perfectly happy hanging out at the 3-point line on O waiting for kick-outs from LeBron. CJ brings you nothing on D, but is a great shooter who can get his shot off quickly. Raps would also throw in Bebe Nogueira so you have an additional mobile backup big (since you're so light in the middle right now)

Cleveland out: Love, Shumpert
Cleveland in: Ibaka, Miles, Nogueira

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7014247

Don't see the point really. Love isn't out for the entire season. Find a way to put 1 of OG or Siakam in the return and it's more appealing for CLE

Raps would still make that deal with Siakam going to Cleveland instead of Nogueira. Siakam would probably be a good fit for you guys actually, he plays with a ton of hustle and positive energy, especially on the defensive end -- kind of like Tristan before he got fat and paid (and Kardashianed...)

[jbk1234]

[quote="Sherlock":****]Is there any circumstance under which the Cavs would be willing to trade Kevin Love for win-now replacement parts?

E.g., send injured Love and Shumpert (salary dump) to Toronto for Ibaka and CJ Miles?

Ibaka gives you a legit stretch 5 in the middle who can block shots on D, but is perfectly happy hanging out at the 3-point line on O waiting for kick-outs from LeBron. CJ brings you nothing on D, but is a great shooter who can get his shot off quickly. Raps would also throw in Bebe Nogueira so you have an additional mobile backup big (since you're so light in the middle right now)

Cleveland out: Love, Shumpert
Cleveland in: Ibaka, Miles, Nogueira

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7014247[/quote:****]

None for me personally. We're not a good team without Love. We can be a better defensive team if we upgrade our back court, but the loss of Kyrie and Love in the same means we're not getting out of the East for sure. I might take a couple of the Raptors young guys with a contract you might want to get out of this summer if LBJ leaves.

[Stillwater]

Is there any circumstance under which the Cavs would be willing to trade Kevin Love for win-now replacement parts?

E.g., send injured Love and Shumpert (salary dump) to Toronto for Ibaka and CJ Miles?

Ibaka gives you a legit stretch 5 in the middle who can block shots on D, but is perfectly happy hanging out at the 3-point line on O waiting for kick-outs from LeBron. CJ brings you nothing on D, but is a great shooter who can get his shot off quickly. Raps would also throw in Bebe Nogueira so you have an additional mobile backup big (since you're so light in the middle right now)

Cleveland out: Love, Shumpert
Cleveland in: Ibaka, Miles, Nogueira

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7014247

Don't see the point really. Love isn't out for the entire season. Find a way to put 1 of OG or Siakam in the return and it's more appealing for CLE

Raps would still make that deal with Siakam going to Cleveland instead of Nogueira. Siakam would probably be a good fit for you guys actually, he plays with a ton of hustle and positive energy, especially on the defensive end -- kind of like Tristan before he got fat and paid (and Kardashianed...)

Always liked Ibaka and although Miles has always been streaky the man can get buckets so the offensive return is solid but like jbk said CLE probably needs to focus on back court trades first and then maybe once that is accomplished something like this would be more palatable.
Not sure Raps would offer enough in their minds though here

[Truthful1]

Raptors will not do a deal that would make the Cavs a better team. It would make no sense being in the same conference.


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[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7015034
Lakers get 24 mil in expirings and maybe an extra year of Shumpert with his P.O.
Cav's bring in 2 versatile guards and a solid pf (probably a rental) to cover for some of the lost production from Love.
I would consider attaching the Cavs 1st (20-23 range most likely) if that's what it took to get Hart who they like.
I would also be willing to take Nance instead of Hart but they would have to give us a 2nd

[Stillwater]

Previous trade followed by : https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7015058
Cavs lift the lottery protection to top 3 only on the 2019 pick owned by ATL for Prince and Dedmon. ATL gets Frye's expiring and the 23rd pick in the 2016 draft(Zizic)

[Stillwater]

Previous 2 trades would yield:
Wade/Clarkson/Rose
Smith/Korver/Hart/Cedi
Lebron/Crowder/Green/Prince
(Love)/Green/Randle/Prince/Crowder
(Love)/TT/Dedmon
Losses:
Frye,IT,Shumpert,Jose,Zizic. possible own 1st , removal of protections on 2019 1st.
we get younger and better defensively at the 1,2,3 & 5, gain some offense and fire & the 4

[chris4celts]

Not trolling. Honest question. Does anyone here think that trading LJames makes sense now?

[Stillwater]

Not trolling. Honest question. Does anyone here think that trading LJames makes sense now?

noone trades the goat no matter what misperceptions of reality the media sells.
Anyone who wants him can talk to him this summer.

[jbk1234]

Not trolling. Honest question. Does anyone here think that trading LJames makes sense now?

I think IT or LBJ should go. My extremely strong preference is IT and I think that's about to happen.

[DroseReturnChi]

Not trolling. Honest question. Does anyone here think that trading LJames makes sense now?

I think IT or LBJ should go. My extremely strong preference is IT and I think that's about to happen.

So if CLE gets the CHA trade done (JR, TT, IT, Shump, Crowder, BKN 1st for Kemba, Dwight, Batum) and starting lineup becomes Kemba/Batum/Lebron/Love/Howard, how do you guys think the matchup versus the warriors? On paper seems to match well with Korver/Wade/ Rose on the bench but might have to trade Zizic, Osman for veterans and Chicago has a plethora in Allen, Nwaba, Holiday, Portis list goes on.

Personally I dont like keeping the pick if I were the Cavs. It does help rebuild faster but when you have a theoretically 50% chance a chip assuming you make the finals, I would go all in.

[Dupp]

Yeah I really hope we make some kind of trade with the hornets for kemba

[jbk1234]

Not trolling. Honest question. Does anyone here think that trading LJames makes sense now?

I think IT or LBJ should go. My extremely strong preference is IT and I think that's about to happen.

So if CLE gets the CHA trade done (JR, TT, IT, Shump, Crowder, BKN 1st for Kemba, Dwight, Batum) and starting lineup becomes Kemba/Batum/Lebron/Love/Howard, how do you guys think the matchup versus the warriors? On paper seems to match well with Korver/Wade/ Rose on the bench but might have to trade Zizic, Osman for veterans and Chicago has a plethora in Allen, Nwaba, Holiday, Portis list goes on.

Personally I dont like keeping the pick if I were the Cavs. It does help rebuild faster but when you have a theoretically 50% chance a chip assuming you make the finals, I would go all in.

I was strongly in favor of trading the Brooklyn pick for Kemba earlier. Now, I'd probably still do it but I wouldn't take back Batum. I suspect what's broken between LBJ and Gilbert doesn't get put back together. You're talking about two people who are incapable of taking any responsibility for their own choices.

[Dellyhas2gfs]

Even if you move a pick and IT for something good like Kemba you should still try to move your unplayable players for overpaid players on other teams that could still do well with LBJ

Shump for Delly
TT for Biyambo

[Stillwater]

Even if you move a pick and IT for something good like Kemba you should still try to move your unplayable players for overpaid players on other teams that could still do well with LBJ

Shump for Delly
TT for Biyambo

those examples are not upgrades
Delly is hurt and overpaid
Biyombo is the so called rim protector on one of the few teams in the league with worse rim protection than CLE.

[jbk1234]

Even if you move a pick and IT for something good like Kemba you should still try to move your unplayable players for overpaid players on other teams that could still do well with LBJ

Shump for Delly
TT for Biyambo

I was all for a Shump for Delly trade before Delly got hurt.

I'm open to a TT for Biz swap but I'm not adding anything. Also, the window for that trade is now. If we end up rebuilding this summer, I'd rather have TT.

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7016143 Cavs send Miami 2nd and Frye to ATL for Dedmon who has a reasonable player option this summer.
Dedmon's interior defense has been better than anyone on our roster and is better this year than Deandre who we would probably not be willing to give up enough for nor should we.
Jordans allowing opponents to hit 63.6 % of their shots insde 5 feet when he is the closest defender way down from 53.8 % 2 years ago.
Dedmon is allowing only 54.3% inside 5 ' and can stretch the floor some.
Might even fork over the Cav's own first for Dedmon at this point if they will take back IT3 expiring instead

[Stillwater]

https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7016237
Orlando gets Cavs 1st lottery protected 2018 takes a flyer on IT3 and Jose's expirings for the pick.
ATL takes a flyer on Hezonja and gets the 23rd pick in the 2016 draft in ZIzic who fits better with their timeline than Dedmon.
Cavs get an upgrade defender at the 1 and 5. for the price of a 1st.
I don't see us being able to part with TT so this type of deal would then allow us to trade Frye and a future for Tyreke or Williams
or maybe we can get ORL to take a future and pair the 2018 1st with Frye for one of those 2.
Also Iwundu could be flipped as part of a deal or utilized as a stop gap defender on this roster who can defend 3 positions get out in transition and is an under the radar high ceiling athlete.

[gflem]

I think IT or LBJ should go. My extremely strong preference is IT and I think that's about to happen.

So if CLE gets the CHA trade done (JR, TT, IT, Shump, Crowder, BKN 1st for Kemba, Dwight, Batum) and starting lineup becomes Kemba/Batum/Lebron/Love/Howard, how do you guys think the matchup versus the warriors? On paper seems to match well with Korver/Wade/ Rose on the bench but might have to trade Zizic, Osman for veterans and Chicago has a plethora in Allen, Nwaba, Holiday, Portis list goes on.

Personally I dont like keeping the pick if I were the Cavs. It does help rebuild faster but when you have a theoretically 50% chance a chip assuming you make the finals, I would go all in.

I was strongly in favor of trading the Brooklyn pick for Kemba earlier. Now, I'd probably still do it but I wouldn't take back Batum. I suspect what's broken between LBJ and Gilbert doesn't get put back together. You're talking about two people who are incapable of taking any responsibility for their own choices.

If there is a deal for Kemba AND Batum the Brooklyn pick shouldn't come into play. Batum's contract makes him a rather large negative Imo. Though he may actually help some how could Gilbert be expected to pay repeater taxes on his contract going forward, especially if the GSW's win it all as expected. I'm not sure I would even add the Cavs first tbh.

[jbk1234]

So if CLE gets the CHA trade done (JR, TT, IT, Shump, Crowder, BKN 1st for Kemba, Dwight, Batum) and starting lineup becomes Kemba/Batum/Lebron/Love/Howard, how do you guys think the matchup versus the warriors? On paper seems to match well with Korver/Wade/ Rose on the bench but might have to trade Zizic, Osman for veterans and Chicago has a plethora in Allen, Nwaba, Holiday, Portis list goes on.

Personally I dont like keeping the pick if I were the Cavs. It does help rebuild faster but when you have a theoretically 50% chance a chip assuming you make the finals, I would go all in.

I was strongly in favor of trading the Brooklyn pick for Kemba earlier. Now, I'd probably still do it but I wouldn't take back Batum. I suspect what's broken between LBJ and Gilbert doesn't get put back together. You're talking about two people who are incapable of taking any responsibility for their own choices.

If there is a deal for Kemba AND Batum the Brooklyn pick shouldn't come into play. Batum's contract makes him a rather large negative Imo. Though he may actually help some how could Gilbert be expected to pay repeater taxes on his contract going forward, especially if the GSW's win it all as expected. I'm not sure I would even add the Cavs first tbh.

Exactly.