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mcfly1204 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:jbk1234 wrote:Well, the Canton Charge is gonna be stacked.
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Soo....is this a actual rosterable player? Zach Lowe seemed to like the move and was 'puzzeled' why the Knicks didn't extend him.
I also know nothing about Dotson lol
Decent shooter from 3, good size for the wing. Seems like the kind of move we should be making at this point, low risk, medium reward.
tleikheen wrote:from one bottom team to anoother bottom team, don't expect winning plays. This FA season shows the Cavs are in a bottom rut where no one likes their players.Clevelands best young player (Sexton) isn't even looked at as a starter on the good teams.Garland had a terrible rookie year and didn't show starter quality potential. KPJ showed lots of promise but has shown character flaws thats probably has him a strike away from being cut loose. He deserves a team penalty of no pay and team suspencion.
Getting better internally is totally reliant on 2 small guards that are already a couple of the worst defenders in the NBA. I don't see how they get better.
Stillwater wrote:dont get too excited about Dotson, he is a volume shooter I guess with good size on the wing and maybe has improved defensively but he has never been a good rebounded or defender and tbh not sure I understand the point in signing him other than training camp at all other than maybe they see a small replacement offensively after moving Zo if he has improved in those areas.
Matthews is a mystery imo had a decent draftable skill set pre injury but he was never more than a end of rotation prospect either.
I would have been happier to see K Thomas and Norvell Pelle but hey who knows what happens next
Yeah, this is an acceptable amount for good locker room presence, works hard, etc.Harper4Ferry? wrote:Delly back, 1 year, vet minimum. Def a move we should make.
Look, if you're not even a Cavs fan, this is close to trolling. Tread carefully.tleikheen wrote:from one bottom team to anoother bottom team, don't expect winning plays. This FA season shows the Cavs are in a bottom rut where no one likes their players.Clevelands best young player (Sexton) isn't even looked at as a starter on the good teams.Garland had a terrible rookie year and didn't show starter quality potential. KPJ showed lots of promise but has shown character flaws thats probably has him a strike away from being cut loose. He deserves a team penalty of no pay and team suspencion.
Getting better internally is totally reliant on 2 small guards that are already a couple of the worst defenders in the NBA. I don't see how they get better.
There are no circumstances under which the Cavs should extend Sexton this year. He might not even be starting for us by the end of the season.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I'm super afraid our ballsy move next summer will be to max out Sexton. Unless he's shown massive progress and scores like 30 a game, I don't ever want to see that.
Revenged25 wrote:Stillwater wrote:dont get too excited about Dotson, he is a volume shooter I guess with good size on the wing and maybe has improved defensively but he has never been a good rebounded or defender and tbh not sure I understand the point in signing him other than training camp at all other than maybe they see a small replacement offensively after moving Zo if he has improved in those areas.
Matthews is a mystery imo had a decent draftable skill set pre injury but he was never more than a end of rotation prospect either.
I would have been happier to see K Thomas and Norvell Pelle but hey who knows what happens next
Maybe they think Dotson can improve on defense and be a spot up shooter on the 2nd unit when Sexton is the primary ball handler?
jbk1234 wrote:There are no circumstances under which the Cavs should extend Sexton this year. He might not even be starting for us by the end of the season.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I'm super afraid our ballsy move next summer will be to max out Sexton. Unless he's shown massive progress and scores like 30 a game, I don't ever want to see that.
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LivingLegend wrote:jbk1234 wrote:There are no circumstances under which the Cavs should extend Sexton this year. He might not even be starting for us by the end of the season.Harper4Ferry? wrote:I'm super afraid our ballsy move next summer will be to max out Sexton. Unless he's shown massive progress and scores like 30 a game, I don't ever want to see that.
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what are the odds the Cavs do the right thing and make him a super 6th man and actually start Garland, KPJ, Okoro, Love and Drummond.
I am extremely excited with what KPJ/Okoro can grow to be on the wing in 2-3 years fom now. We could be looking at a Tatum/Brown like tandem out there
Harper4Ferry? wrote:I'm super afraid our ballsy move next summer will be to max out Sexton. Unless he's shown massive progress and scores like 30 a game, I don't ever want to see that.
Stillwater wrote:LivingLegend wrote:jbk1234 wrote:There are no circumstances under which the Cavs should extend Sexton this year. He might not even be starting for us by the end of the season.
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what are the odds the Cavs do the right thing and make him a super 6th man and actually start Garland, KPJ, Okoro, Love and Drummond.
I am extremely excited with what KPJ/Okoro can grow to be on the wing in 2-3 years fom now. We could be looking at a Tatum/Brown like tandem out there
I think Garland is going to have to be light years ahead of where he was all season last year to get that gig given how well Sexton was playing to end the season. Maybe its the most likely scenario for the org to see what they have but I dont think for a second anyone in the front office is sold on him being better than Sexton but they need to find out I guess one way or the other.
I am past being in denial when I thought maybe DG was just hurt all season or needed to get stronger, even if he had a nice bubble for him to get the job he better be a complete overhaul 180 to push Sexton to the bench
LivingLegend wrote:Stillwater wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
what are the odds the Cavs do the right thing and make him a super 6th man and actually start Garland, KPJ, Okoro, Love and Drummond.
I am extremely excited with what KPJ/Okoro can grow to be on the wing in 2-3 years fom now. We could be looking at a Tatum/Brown like tandem out there
I think Garland is going to have to be light years ahead of where he was all season last year to get that gig given how well Sexton was playing to end the season. Maybe its the most likely scenario for the org to see what they have but I dont think for a second anyone in the front office is sold on him being better than Sexton but they need to find out I guess one way or the other.
I am past being in denial when I thought maybe DG was just hurt all season or needed to get stronger, even if he had a nice bubble for him to get the job he better be a complete overhaul 180 to push Sexton to the bench
I dont think the Cavs should reduce Sextons mins, still have him play 30ish mins per night, just do the most of it with the second unit where he can flourish and not have to worry about getting Love/Drummond involved.
As overwelmed as Garland looked, he still had a much better feel for the game than Sexton did to go with the starters.
I just dont see any scenerio where Sexton/Garland can co-exist on the floor together, something has to give and I just think Garland is a better fit around the veteran starters and Sexton is a better fit with a unit where he can focus on his scoring
If the Cavs offer a max extension to a player in his third year, who most of the league views as a sixth man, Adam Silver should intervene like he did with Hinkie.KuruptedCav wrote:Harper4Ferry? wrote:I'm super afraid our ballsy move next summer will be to max out Sexton. Unless he's shown massive progress and scores like 30 a game, I don't ever want to see that.
A first max contract is rarely a significant impediment to team-building. Players are young, still can develop, and it’s 25% of the cap. A second one to anyone outside of the top-15 of the NBA is generally a pretty bad move.
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You're missing that part of the problem is Sexton taking 17 fga per game with only 3 assists. I'm quite sure that there are a number of players on the roster who can average 20 ppg on 17 shots if you give them long enough to do so. The question is whether the offense as a whole operates as efficiently as it needs to that way.Stillwater wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Stillwater wrote:I think Garland is going to have to be light years ahead of where he was all season last year to get that gig given how well Sexton was playing to end the season. Maybe its the most likely scenario for the org to see what they have but I dont think for a second anyone in the front office is sold on him being better than Sexton but they need to find out I guess one way or the other.
I am past being in denial when I thought maybe DG was just hurt all season or needed to get stronger, even if he had a nice bubble for him to get the job he better be a complete overhaul 180 to push Sexton to the bench
I dont think the Cavs should reduce Sextons mins, still have him play 30ish mins per night, just do the most of it with the second unit where he can flourish and not have to worry about getting Love/Drummond involved.
As overwelmed as Garland looked, he still had a much better feel for the game than Sexton did to go with the starters.
I just dont see any scenerio where Sexton/Garland can co-exist on the floor together, something has to give and I just think Garland is a better fit around the veteran starters and Sexton is a better fit with a unit where he can focus on his scoring
fit wise Sexton looked better with whomever he was with than DG did last year regardless of if DG has a better feel for finding bailouts and wide open shooters because he cannot finish like Sexton had the gl to do consistently.
I think there is a misconception about just how good of a floor general DGs and imo he really is not that guy , but I get that he really only has a shot to make in the league becoming that guy etc.
I dont want to see Sexton pushed to the bench in the name of Garland feeding the bigs more because he has too , I want to see DG go off and prove he can score at the same clip as Sexton does from all 3 levels and until that happens I dont care how well DG can see the floor or distribute if he isnt a 3 level scoring threat I mean if he cant do that than he needs to be running the 2nd unit himself
jbk1234 wrote:You're missing that part of the problem is Sexton taking 17 fga per game with only 3 assists. I'm quite sure that there are a number of players on the roster who can average 20 ppg on 17 shots if you give them long enough to do so. The question is whether the offense as a whole operates as efficiently as it needs to that way.Stillwater wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
I dont think the Cavs should reduce Sextons mins, still have him play 30ish mins per night, just do the most of it with the second unit where he can flourish and not have to worry about getting Love/Drummond involved.
As overwelmed as Garland looked, he still had a much better feel for the game than Sexton did to go with the starters.
I just dont see any scenerio where Sexton/Garland can co-exist on the floor together, something has to give and I just think Garland is a better fit around the veteran starters and Sexton is a better fit with a unit where he can focus on his scoring
fit wise Sexton looked better with whomever he was with than DG did last year regardless of if DG has a better feel for finding bailouts and wide open shooters because he cannot finish like Sexton had the gl to do consistently.
I think there is a misconception about just how good of a floor general DGs and imo he really is not that guy , but I get that he really only has a shot to make in the league becoming that guy etc.
I dont want to see Sexton pushed to the bench in the name of Garland feeding the bigs more because he has too , I want to see DG go off and prove he can score at the same clip as Sexton does from all 3 levels and until that happens I dont care how well DG can see the floor or distribute if he isnt a 3 level scoring threat I mean if he cant do that than he needs to be running the 2nd unit himself
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jbk1234 wrote:You're missing that part of the problem is Sexton taking 17 fga per game with only 3 assists. I'm quite sure that there are a number of players on the roster who can average 20 ppg on 17 shots if you give them long enough to do so. The question is whether the offense as a whole operates as efficiently as it needs to that way.Stillwater wrote:LivingLegend wrote:
I dont think the Cavs should reduce Sextons mins, still have him play 30ish mins per night, just do the most of it with the second unit where he can flourish and not have to worry about getting Love/Drummond involved.
As overwelmed as Garland looked, he still had a much better feel for the game than Sexton did to go with the starters.
I just dont see any scenerio where Sexton/Garland can co-exist on the floor together, something has to give and I just think Garland is a better fit around the veteran starters and Sexton is a better fit with a unit where he can focus on his scoring
fit wise Sexton looked better with whomever he was with than DG did last year regardless of if DG has a better feel for finding bailouts and wide open shooters because he cannot finish like Sexton had the gl to do consistently.
I think there is a misconception about just how good of a floor general DGs and imo he really is not that guy , but I get that he really only has a shot to make in the league becoming that guy etc.
I dont want to see Sexton pushed to the bench in the name of Garland feeding the bigs more because he has too , I want to see DG go off and prove he can score at the same clip as Sexton does from all 3 levels and until that happens I dont care how well DG can see the floor or distribute if he isnt a 3 level scoring threat I mean if he cant do that than he needs to be running the 2nd unit himself
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