2024-25 Regular Season

[JujitsuFlip]

Disappointed we didn't take Kyshawn George, personally. Also bummed out how close Knecht came to falling to us, only to miss out at the last minute. Don't know much about the guy we DID pick, but I'm underwhelmed, early on...

When Knecht was still sitting there so late, i thought he was the perfect guy to trade up for, Cavs just don't have a lot of assets.

[JujitsuFlip]

I imagine he [Tyson] checked Altman's boxes as far as work ethic and character go.

Maybe TBD, just because 3 colleges in 3 seasons is iffy.

Ik he wasn't getting playing time at Texas. Then i believe he was involved in race/religion issue with Mark Adams at Texas Tech.

So tough to evaluate his play/work when he's bouncing around programs like that. He has a clean slate here, so we'll see if he can not get disgruntled. Cavs have him for at least 2 seasons and potentially up to 4 or 5.

[Wisedude]

Tyson is the replacement for Okoro who is a RFA. Maybe, Cavs can get a pick for Okoro or work some kind of trade. Would like to see the Cavs get a 2nd round pick.

Kyshawn George is a total project at this point.

[toooskies]

Disappointed we didn't take Kyshawn George, personally. Also bummed out how close Knecht came to falling to us, only to miss out at the last minute. Don't know much about the guy we DID pick, but I'm underwhelmed, early on...

When Knecht was still sitting there so late, i thought he was the perfect guy to trade up for, Cavs just don't have a lot of assets.

I think we could've tossed Merrill or CPJ in with #20 to get #16. Philly fills a minimum spot with a rotation player and saves a few more dollars on what their draft pick will cost, Cavs get a same-tier shooter who's taller.

Not saying that's a great idea, but it's something that could've accomplished that goal.

[JujitsuFlip]

Disappointed we didn't take Kyshawn George, personally. Also bummed out how close Knecht came to falling to us, only to miss out at the last minute. Don't know much about the guy we DID pick, but I'm underwhelmed, early on...

When Knecht was still sitting there so late, i thought he was the perfect guy to trade up for, Cavs just don't have a lot of assets.

I think we could've tossed Merrill or CPJ in with #20 to get #16. Philly fills a minimum spot with a rotation player and saves a few more dollars on what their draft pick will cost, Cavs get a same-tier shooter who's taller.

Not saying that's a great idea, but it's something that could've accomplished that goal.

I woulda did that for sure!

[axeman23]

When Knecht was still sitting there so late, i thought he was the perfect guy to trade up for, Cavs just don't have a lot of assets.

I think we could've tossed Merrill or CPJ in with #20 to get #16. Philly fills a minimum spot with a rotation player and saves a few more dollars on what their draft pick will cost, Cavs get a same-tier shooter who's taller.

Not saying that's a great idea, but it's something that could've accomplished that goal.

I woulda did that for sure!

Yeah, I'd especially have done it if the cost was Merrill, or 1 of our stashees. Merrill played well in the regular season when his number was called, but you have to give something to get something. And Merrill is probably the least prioritized of our under-sized 2/3 brigade...

[mcfly1204]

Tyson is the replacement for Okoro who is a RFA. Maybe, Cavs can get a pick for Okoro or work some kind of trade. Would like to see the Cavs get a 2nd round pick.

Kyshawn George is a total project at this point.

I think Tyson is more so the eventual LeVert replacement.

[ijspeelman]

Yeah, his measureables are meh to ok, but his brother's play football and it sounds like he's not afraid of contact, driving in the paint, and rebounding. So, that's a plus. He has some all around skills that will keep the development staff busy, but couldn't find anything positive about his defense. If JBB was still the coach that alone would buy him a ticket to the Charge.

I don't think a pick at 20 gets anyone fired. It's a crap shoot especially since we apparently didn't want to draft a PF or a C. I imagine he checked Altman's boxes as far as work ethic and character go.

[waves arms at Niang and then asks]: Why didn't we want to draft a PF? I have to be honest, I would've preferred to attach this pick to Niang for DFS.

Yep.

I'm still hoping the Cavs throw some future 2nds together to trade back into the draft for Filipowski or Furphy. Or at least a flyer on PJ Hall as a UDFA.

I am holding out hope for Filipowski lol.

I just want a young back-up big. With Filipowski you also get the chance he could be a spacer

[jbk1234]

Tyson is the replacement for Okoro who is a RFA. Maybe, Cavs can get a pick for Okoro or work some kind of trade. Would like to see the Cavs get a 2nd round pick.

Kyshawn George is a total project at this point.

I think Tyson is more so the eventual LeVert replacement.

I don't know that Tyson will ever be as good as Okoro defensively, but he's got a good shot at developing into a better two-way player than either Okoro or LeVert.

That said, if Okoro signs an offer sheet that is over the MLE and would put the Cavs into the tax, he should be prepared to play on the team who offers it to him because the most likely trade will be the Cavs giving a second for the TPE.

[toooskies]

Cavs are kicking the tires on getting back into the 2nd round, although we don't have many roster spots left.

1. Mitch
2. Mobley
3. Garland
4. Allen
5. Strus
6. LeVert
7. Wade
8. Okoro - RFA
9. Niang
10. TJ
11. CPJ - partial guarantee
12. Tyson - rook
13. Merrill - non guarantee
14. Bates - RFA

We can obviously carry 21 guys in the summer but we still have a treasure trove of guys waiting to come over to the 15 man roster. I'd say only way Cavs draft a guy tomorrow is if Kenny really likes someone, do it to appease the new coach.

I'm not sure Bates makes it off the two-way. Okoro might depart. I wonder if I.Mobley and Nance are effectively guaranteed their two-ways in perpetuity.

[toooskies]

I think we could've tossed Merrill or CPJ in with #20 to get #16. Philly fills a minimum spot with a rotation player and saves a few more dollars on what their draft pick will cost, Cavs get a same-tier shooter who's taller.

Not saying that's a great idea, but it's something that could've accomplished that goal.

I woulda did that for sure!

Yeah, I'd especially have done it if the cost was Merrill, or 1 of our stashees. Merrill played well in the regular season when his number was called, but you have to give something to get something. And Merrill is probably the least prioritized of our under-sized 2/3 brigade...

I'd just say that Knecht's college stats are only a little bit better than Merrill's, and the shooting is worse. It's very possible that if we'd have traded #20 and Merrill for #16, we end up with the worst player of the three.

[jbk1234]

I woulda did that for sure!

Yeah, I'd especially have done it if the cost was Merrill, or 1 of our stashees. Merrill played well in the regular season when his number was called, but you have to give something to get something. And Merrill is probably the least prioritized of our under-sized 2/3 brigade...

I'd just say that Knecht's college stats are only a little bit better than Merrill's, and the shooting is worse. It's very possible that if we'd have traded #20 and Merrill for #16, we end up with the worst player of the three.

I think Knetch has the size to get his shot off against better defensive teams in the NBA. The question would be how does his defense compare to Merrill. Is it meaningfully better, or does he still get run off the floor like Duncan in the playoffs?

[toooskies]

Yeah, I'd especially have done it if the cost was Merrill, or 1 of our stashees. Merrill played well in the regular season when his number was called, but you have to give something to get something. And Merrill is probably the least prioritized of our under-sized 2/3 brigade...

I'd just say that Knecht's college stats are only a little bit better than Merrill's, and the shooting is worse. It's very possible that if we'd have traded #20 and Merrill for #16, we end up with the worst player of the three.

I think Knetch has the size to get his shot off against better defensive teams in the NBA. The question would be how does his defense compare to Merrill. Is it meaningfully better, or does he still get run off the floor like Duncan in the playoffs?

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

[jbk1234]

I'd just say that Knecht's college stats are only a little bit better than Merrill's, and the shooting is worse. It's very possible that if we'd have traded #20 and Merrill for #16, we end up with the worst player of the three.

I think Knetch has the size to get his shot off against better defensive teams in the NBA. The question would be how does his defense compare to Merrill. Is it meaningfully better, or does he still get run off the floor like Duncan in the playoffs?

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

[JonFromVA]

I think Knetch has the size to get his shot off against better defensive teams in the NBA. The question would be how does his defense compare to Merrill. Is it meaningfully better, or does he still get run off the floor like Duncan in the playoffs?

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

[jbk1234]

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

Some scout on NBA TV had Tyson ranked as the 10th best player in this draft. Others had him slipping to the second round.

[toooskies]

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

I believe that Merrill is as tall as advertised, but he has a negative wingspan. I can't even find it published anywhere.

[JujitsuFlip]

Knecht has more length than Merrill, but it's only 1.5 inches in height in shoes. (I don't have a reliable wingspan for him, but let's just say it's a weak point.)

I'm not sure if Knecht has the quick release and movement chops that Merrill has to get those off-ball shots up.

I don't see Knecht as playoff-ready in year 1.

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

Tyson has potential. I think the bigger issue with him is finally seeing him stay with a program for more than 1 season and seeing that year over year growth.

Kenny plays a deeper rotation than jb, i mean almost everyone does lol but i still do not envision a lot of minutes for Tyson his rookie season. That is under the assumption the Cavs keep all these 6'5" wings on the roster.

[mcfly1204]

Knetch measured 6'5.25" without shoes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/dalton-knecht-nba-draft-combine-154532255.html

If Merrill is 6'4", I'll eat my shoes. There's no way he's taller than 6'2". If he's measuring at 6'4, it's because he's wearing 2" lifts.

This is why I was happy when the NBA made the combine mandatory for prospects to enter the draft.

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

Tyson has potential. I think the bigger issue with him is finally seeing him stay with a program for more than 1 season and seeing that year over year growth.

Kenny plays a deeper rotation than jb, i mean almost everyone does lol but i still do not envision a lot of minutes for Tyson his rookie season. That is under the assumption the Cavs keep all these 6'5" wings on the roster.

I realize height is your schtick, but Tyson measured in at 6' 5.5" barefoot, meaning he's a good 6' 7" in shoes. He doesn't have the best length with a 6' 8" wingspan, but he has good bulk. A bigger Desmond Bane? Let's hope.

[toooskies]

They're still measuring them at the beginning of the season without shoes and publishing that number. He's at worst 6'3.5" in socks.

Of course the guy we did pick is just .25" taller than Knetch at 6'5.5".

Anyway, we have to compromise in multiple areas when picking 20.

KyShawn George would have been an interesting pick in terms of measurables, but it sounds like he's rawer and needs more development.

fwiw, nbadraft.net has Tyson as their 16th best prospect and compares him to Desmond Bane, so, at least it wasn't just the Cavs that saw something in him.

Tyson has potential. I think the bigger issue with him is finally seeing him stay with a program for more than 1 season and seeing that year over year growth.

Kenny plays a deeper rotation than jb, i mean almost everyone does lol but i still do not envision a lot of minutes for Tyson his rookie season. That is under the assumption the Cavs keep all these 6'5" wings on the roster.

I realize height is your schtick, but Tyson measured in at 6' 5.5" barefoot, meaning he's a good 6' 7" in shoes. He doesn't have the best length with a 6' 8" wingspan, but he has good bulk. A bigger Desmond Bane? Let's hope.

For a Cleveland reference point, he's pretty much Lamar Stevens but about 10 pounds lighter.