2021-22 regular season thread

[LivingLegend]

Looks like Lauri might be our off-season starting SF acquisition.

hes a 3 imo. cant defend 5 and no rim protector. 7ft klay is what i call him but chi never developed him made him a spot up shooter. he needs to start for spacing sake. very good perimeter defender for his size.
mobley is clearly the best player from what i have seen so if he wants to play the 3, so be it. but his natural is 4-5.

I have had the unfortunateness of having to listen to the Bulls broadcast of the 2 preseason games againts the Cavs. Their color commentator is unbearable.

It also seemed like both of the commentators absolutely hate Lauri. Literally went out of their way to make a comment every single time he got scored on or missed a shot. Every single time they had a small jab to throw. I know he requested a trade, but the announcers def. seemed like they had a bone to pick with him.

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

Its amazing to me in 2021 where seemlingly everyone in the league can shoot, the Cavs cant find a single wing who can just stand on the 3pt arc and shoot 40% with 6-8 opportunities per game.

[JonFromVA]

Looks like Lauri might be our off-season starting SF acquisition.

hes a 3 imo. cant defend 5 and no rim protector. 7ft klay is what i call him but chi never developed him made him a spot up shooter. he needs to start for spacing sake. very good perimeter defender for his size.
mobley is clearly the best player from what i have seen so if he wants to play the 3, so be it. but his natural is 4-5.

I have had the unfortunateness of having to listen to the Bulls broadcast of the 2 preseason games againts the Cavs. Their color commentator is unbearable.

It also seemed like both of the commentators absolutely hate Lauri. Literally went out of their way to make a comment every single time he got scored on or missed a shot. Every single time they had a small jab to throw. I know he requested a trade, but the announcers def. seemed like they had a bone to pick with him.

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

Its amazing to me in 2021 where seemlingly everyone in the league can shoot, the Cavs cant find a single wing who can just stand on the 3pt arc and shoot 40% with 6-8 opportunities per game.

Lauri literally shot 40% from 3 vs the Bulls ... thought he did some positive things at SF, but even with snappy passing we bricked a lot of 3's and struggled to score 100.

Still, much better showing and Sexland need to get with the program.

[Bullstuff]

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

The man is 7/15 or .467 behind the arc. 4 games, limited minutes, but I do not see that as building brick houses with his 3pt shooting? How is that (.467) not a strength?

[LivingLegend]

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

The man is 7/15 or .467 behind the arc. 4 games, limited minutes, but I do not see that as building brick houses with his 3pt shooting? How is that (.467) not a strength?

Should have clarified, I only watched the second half and he missed a few wide open, feet set 3s and that happened to the bit I watched in game 1 too.

Either way, why are your commentators so salty.

[jbk1234]

hes a 3 imo. cant defend 5 and no rim protector. 7ft klay is what i call him but chi never developed him made him a spot up shooter. he needs to start for spacing sake. very good perimeter defender for his size.
mobley is clearly the best player from what i have seen so if he wants to play the 3, so be it. but his natural is 4-5.

I have had the unfortunateness of having to listen to the Bulls broadcast of the 2 preseason games againts the Cavs. Their color commentator is unbearable.

It also seemed like both of the commentators absolutely hate Lauri. Literally went out of their way to make a comment every single time he got scored on or missed a shot. Every single time they had a small jab to throw. I know he requested a trade, but the announcers def. seemed like they had a bone to pick with him.

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

Its amazing to me in 2021 where seemlingly everyone in the league can shoot, the Cavs cant find a single wing who can just stand on the 3pt arc and shoot 40% with 6-8 opportunities per game.

Lauri literally shot 40% from 3 vs the Bulls ... thought he did some positive things at SF, but even with snappy passing we bricked a lot of 3's and struggled to score 100.

Still, much better showing and Sexland need to get with the program.

I really hate grouping Garland and Sexton together that way. They're two separate players.

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[JonFromVA]

I have had the unfortunateness of having to listen to the Bulls broadcast of the 2 preseason games againts the Cavs. Their color commentator is unbearable.

It also seemed like both of the commentators absolutely hate Lauri. Literally went out of their way to make a comment every single time he got scored on or missed a shot. Every single time they had a small jab to throw. I know he requested a trade, but the announcers def. seemed like they had a bone to pick with him.

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

Its amazing to me in 2021 where seemlingly everyone in the league can shoot, the Cavs cant find a single wing who can just stand on the 3pt arc and shoot 40% with 6-8 opportunities per game.

Lauri literally shot 40% from 3 vs the Bulls ... thought he did some positive things at SF, but even with snappy passing we bricked a lot of 3's and struggled to score 100.

Still, much better showing and Sexland need to get with the program.

I really hate grouping Garland and Sexton together that way. They're two separate players.

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

[jbk1234]

Lauri literally shot 40% from 3 vs the Bulls ... thought he did some positive things at SF, but even with snappy passing we bricked a lot of 3's and struggled to score 100.

Still, much better showing and Sexland need to get with the program.

I really hate grouping Garland and Sexton together that way. They're two separate players.

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

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[Revenged25]

I really hate grouping Garland and Sexton together that way. They're two separate players.

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

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You don't like tying Garland's success to Sexton, I don't like tying Sexton's success to the G-Leaguers he was paired with most of the time when the rest of the starters were on the bench.

[jbk1234]

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

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You don't like tying Garland's success to Sexton, I don't like tying Sexton's success to the G-Leaguers he was paired with most of the time when the rest of the starters were on the bench.

Sexton has played the most minutes, started in the most games, and taken the most shots of any player on the roster over the last three seasons.

Move Garland to the bench if you want. Start Rubio and Sexton. See how it goes.

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[JonFromVA]

I really hate grouping Garland and Sexton together that way. They're two separate players.

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

Just seems like you're trying to reignite the debate between the two when all we can really discuss at this point is which one has stunk less ...

You know one of my complaints about last season was the absence of useful lineup data. If all 3 guards stay healthy we should see data on each combination and maybe we can draw some informed conclusions.

AC likely has a point that Sexland are thinking too much... because without them not only was the ball moving better but the turnovers and bad passes were down indicating the guys were either playing more instinctual or simply on the same page about what they were doing.

[jbk1234]

Why? Do you think one of them hasn't stunk in pre-season?

The savings grace here is that pre-season doesn't matter and it's nothing we should be trying to draw conclusions from beyond simple observations like - they need to do better.

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

Just seems like you're trying to reignite the debate between the two when all we can really discuss at this point is which one has stunk less ...

You know one of my complaints about last season was the absence of useful lineup data. If all 3 guards stay healthy we should see data on each combination and maybe we can draw some informed conclusions.

AC likely has a point that Sexland are thinking too much... because without them not only was the ball moving better but the turnovers and bad passes were down indicating the guys were either playing more instinctual or simply on the same page about what they were doing.

Sexland have been overthinking is my point. They're two seperate people. Maybe that's the problem with one of them and not the other. Maybe one of them has to play a certain way because he's all instinct.

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[JonFromVA]

I mean for three years I've thought the fit was awful. How about instead of benching them both, you stagger the minutes and see how it goes?

I don't like tying Garland's success to how well Sexton plays and it's impossible to separate the one from the other because of the spacing and usage issues. Let Rubio go out there and try to run the offense next to Sexton.

Just seems like you're trying to reignite the debate between the two when all we can really discuss at this point is which one has stunk less ...

You know one of my complaints about last season was the absence of useful lineup data. If all 3 guards stay healthy we should see data on each combination and maybe we can draw some informed conclusions.

AC likely has a point that Sexland are thinking too much... because without them not only was the ball moving better but the turnovers and bad passes were down indicating the guys were either playing more instinctual or simply on the same page about what they were doing.

Sexland have been overthinking is my point. They're two seperate people. Maybe that's the problem with one of them and not the other. Maybe one of them has to play a certain way because he's all instinct.

Or maybe they are both over-thinking? It really doesn't matter, what matters is that they get through it, come up to speed with their new teammates and whatever JBB might be asking of them and then hopefully we can start an honest evaluation of how they do or don't fit in different lineups.

Of course a lot of the focus will be on Collin because of his contract status. If he truly wants to win, he needs to start making quicker decisions with the ball in his hands. We've already seen this is conducive to getting everyone more involved in the offense and helps create openings in the defense our lousy floor spacing would otherwise gum up.

In theory we could build a lineup that would spread the floor and let Collin pound the ball and ISO to his heart's content, but if there's no room for that in the team's philosophy then something has to give and he's not going to get his big pay day as a 6th man.

[DroseReturnChi]

I have had the unfortunateness of having to listen to the Bulls broadcast of the 2 preseason games againts the Cavs. Their color commentator is unbearable.

It also seemed like both of the commentators absolutely hate Lauri. Literally went out of their way to make a comment every single time he got scored on or missed a shot. Every single time they had a small jab to throw. I know he requested a trade, but the announcers def. seemed like they had a bone to pick with him.

Also, I have been largely unimpressed with him so far. Hes a better defender than some made him out to be, but at the same time he has been building brick houses with his 3pt shooting which I thought was his strength.

Its amazing to me in 2021 where seemlingly everyone in the league can shoot, the Cavs cant find a single wing who can just stand on the 3pt arc and shoot 40% with 6-8 opportunities per game.

ignoring 3pt is how you become a 20win team like last season. the bulls never wanted to trade lauri. it was more forced farewell bc of lavine and vuc being absolute defensive liabilities. lauri has been playing part sf for past 2 seasons with relative success.
developing him is up to cavs i cant guarantee he will be klay more like the post acl version.

lauris biggest strength is he is a 7fter that plays like a guard. some call that soft but i call that a rare skill. hes always had kevin love like playmaking potential too he never was able to showcase it. and Lauri was not a strong 3pt shooter until this yr. his biggest strength is his face up game. we also saw him terrorizing the paint when he was able to cut for a dunk.

what i would do for the cavs is start mobley garland lauri rubio and bench the latter 2 early so lauri can keep developing with rubio. he needed a pure euro pg rubios like the best pg he has ever had. first goal should be get close to 20/10 he posted in yr 2.

[jbk1234]

Dumb.

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[JonFromVA]

Dumb.

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I assume you mean the idea of extending Collin is dumb rather than the idea of waiting a few more days to see if there's a trade?

I've said before, I'm happy to get his deal done if it's at the right price and/or with incentives that will encourage Collin to play winning basketball.

Sure, we'll know more next Summer ... but what we might learn is that Collin plays like crap when under the pressure of playing for his next contract *OR* maybe we learn the opposite, that he only does everything you want when he's playing for his next contract, *OR* maybe we learn there's a GM willing to max him and we get poison pilled.

Now, if as some people believe that the Cavs just want to move on from Collin, I really don't think they should have let things drag out. He should have been traded already, but there's a lot of ground between being all-in on a player and having given up on a player; and nuance doesn't tend to spew forth from the rumor mill.

Of course it's possible the Cavs are still dreaming that Collin could headline a Ben Simmons trade ... it would be nice if Morey would decide what he's doing there, and if we end up getting played and lose out on moves we might have made due to yet another GM using us to increase his bids ... it won't be the first time.

[jbk1234]

Dumb.

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I assume you mean the idea of extending Collin is dumb rather than the idea of waiting a few more days to see if there's a trade?

I've said before, I'm happy to get his deal done if it's at the right price and/or with incentives that will encourage Collin to play winning basketball.

Sure, we'll know more next Summer ... but what we might learn is that Collin plays like crap when under the pressure of playing for his next contract *OR* maybe we learn the opposite, that he only does everything you want when he's playing for his next contract, *OR* maybe we learn there's a GM willing to max him and we get poison pilled.

Now, if as some people believe that the Cavs just want to move on from Collin, I really don't think they should have let things drag out. He should have been traded already, but there's a lot of ground between being all-in on a player and having given up on a player; and nuance doesn't tend to spew forth from the rumor mill.

Of course it's possible the Cavs are still dreaming that Collin could headline a Ben Simmons trade ... it would be nice if Morey would decide what he's doing there, and if we end up getting played and lose out on moves we might have made due to yet another GM using us to increase his bids ... it won't be the first time.

I think the Cavs need a different type of 2 guard starting for them. I think that once the extend him it closes the door on trading him this season. I think it's more likely than not that he'll be coming off the bench on a starters salary before the season is over if they extend him.

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[JonFromVA]

Dumb.

Read on Twitter

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I assume you mean the idea of extending Collin is dumb rather than the idea of waiting a few more days to see if there's a trade?

I've said before, I'm happy to get his deal done if it's at the right price and/or with incentives that will encourage Collin to play winning basketball.

Sure, we'll know more next Summer ... but what we might learn is that Collin plays like crap when under the pressure of playing for his next contract *OR* maybe we learn the opposite, that he only does everything you want when he's playing for his next contract, *OR* maybe we learn there's a GM willing to max him and we get poison pilled.

Now, if as some people believe that the Cavs just want to move on from Collin, I really don't think they should have let things drag out. He should have been traded already, but there's a lot of ground between being all-in on a player and having given up on a player; and nuance doesn't tend to spew forth from the rumor mill.

Of course it's possible the Cavs are still dreaming that Collin could headline a Ben Simmons trade ... it would be nice if Morey would decide what he's doing there, and if we end up getting played and lose out on moves we might have made due to yet another GM using us to increase his bids ... it won't be the first time.

I think the Cavs need a different type of 2 guard starting for them. I think that once the extend him it closes the door on trading him this season. I think it's more likely than not that he'll be coming off the bench on a starters salary before the season is over if they extend him.

In your scenario, is he playing 30mpg and still scoring 20+ ppg?

[Revenged25]

I assume you mean the idea of extending Collin is dumb rather than the idea of waiting a few more days to see if there's a trade?

I've said before, I'm happy to get his deal done if it's at the right price and/or with incentives that will encourage Collin to play winning basketball.

Sure, we'll know more next Summer ... but what we might learn is that Collin plays like crap when under the pressure of playing for his next contract *OR* maybe we learn the opposite, that he only does everything you want when he's playing for his next contract, *OR* maybe we learn there's a GM willing to max him and we get poison pilled.

Now, if as some people believe that the Cavs just want to move on from Collin, I really don't think they should have let things drag out. He should have been traded already, but there's a lot of ground between being all-in on a player and having given up on a player; and nuance doesn't tend to spew forth from the rumor mill.

Of course it's possible the Cavs are still dreaming that Collin could headline a Ben Simmons trade ... it would be nice if Morey would decide what he's doing there, and if we end up getting played and lose out on moves we might have made due to yet another GM using us to increase his bids ... it won't be the first time.

I think the Cavs need a different type of 2 guard starting for them. I think that once the extend him it closes the door on trading him this season. I think it's more likely than not that he'll be coming off the bench on a starters salary before the season is over if they extend him.

In your scenario, is he playing 30mpg and still scoring 20+ ppg?

I would say he would, not sure about jbk.

[JonFromVA]

I think the Cavs need a different type of 2 guard starting for them. I think that once the extend him it closes the door on trading him this season. I think it's more likely than not that he'll be coming off the bench on a starters salary before the season is over if they extend him.

In your scenario, is he playing 30mpg and still scoring 20+ ppg?

I would say he would, not sure about jbk.

If he's playing like a starter I don't see a problem paying him like one ... so is he more Ginobli or Clarkson? I suppose jbk is implying the latter.

[Revenged25]

In your scenario, is he playing 30mpg and still scoring 20+ ppg?

I would say he would, not sure about jbk.

If he's playing like a starter I don't see a problem paying him like one ... so is he more Ginobli or Clarkson? I suppose jbk is implying the latter.

I think he's more Ginobli, though I agree with you that jbk think he's closer to Clarkson.