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From a few days ago but this is an amazing display of our offensive depth.
Fun fact ... 5 of our top-6 players in OnCourt +/- are Caris, Wade, Jerome, Okoro, and Niang.
Evan is #2.
I wonder what O-LeBron thinks our top-4 is?
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JonFromVA wrote:toooskies wrote:
From a few days ago but this is an amazing display of our offensive depth.
Fun fact ... 5 of our top-6 players in OnCourt +/- are Caris, Wade, Jerome, Okoro, and Niang.
Evan is #2.
I wonder what O-LeBron thinks our top-4 is?
Mitchell, Garland, Jerome, Allen, LeVert, Mobley, Merrill, Niang is the top 8 in order.
https://www.bball-index.com/lebron-application/
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So, it's been noted in the media that the Cavs are not running a pure motion offense, that we're very low in terms of passes made, and that we still run a lot of P&R.
What was finally noted (in an Athletic article behind that paywall) is that the Cavs are doing a lot more cutting and doing it in a way that willingly congests the paint. So instead of sticking to 5-men out principles that don't actually create space because defenders cheat in to the paint, our guys are making cuts at critical times when the defense is trying to defend the on the ball action and trying to confuse the D and free up a shooter or a cutter for a layup.
The concept is apparently based on stuff Atkinson picked up from Rick Adelman when he was on the staff in Houston.
Something else to note: Garland, Jerome, LeVert, and CPJ are all close to 3:1 A/TO ratio even with all the cutting going on. It was noted in the article that there's an element of chaos at the moment to what the Cavs are doing in that sometimes, the ball handler will drive in to the defense and won't find anyone to pass the ball to. It's presumed that will improve as they get used to the new offense, but it's also good news that all our ball handlers are capable of creating their own shot.
Oh, and apparently Garland has been asked to probe more on his drives and intentionally do his Steve Nash impersonation. Presumably the goal is to allow more time for something better to open up. Which is all possible when you don't run the clock down to nothing before making your initial move.
What was finally noted (in an Athletic article behind that paywall) is that the Cavs are doing a lot more cutting and doing it in a way that willingly congests the paint. So instead of sticking to 5-men out principles that don't actually create space because defenders cheat in to the paint, our guys are making cuts at critical times when the defense is trying to defend the on the ball action and trying to confuse the D and free up a shooter or a cutter for a layup.
The concept is apparently based on stuff Atkinson picked up from Rick Adelman when he was on the staff in Houston.
Something else to note: Garland, Jerome, LeVert, and CPJ are all close to 3:1 A/TO ratio even with all the cutting going on. It was noted in the article that there's an element of chaos at the moment to what the Cavs are doing in that sometimes, the ball handler will drive in to the defense and won't find anyone to pass the ball to. It's presumed that will improve as they get used to the new offense, but it's also good news that all our ball handlers are capable of creating their own shot.
Oh, and apparently Garland has been asked to probe more on his drives and intentionally do his Steve Nash impersonation. Presumably the goal is to allow more time for something better to open up. Which is all possible when you don't run the clock down to nothing before making your initial move.
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Sanity check: Is Mobley possibly the Rasheed Wallace we all wanted?
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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What does this mean lolmcfly1204 wrote:Sanity check: Is Mobley possibly the Rasheed Wallace we all wanted?
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Donovan Mitchell is such an unselfish player… just took 12 shots and was looking to feed Mobley all night, specially in the first quarter
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JujitsuFlip wrote:What does this mean lolmcfly1204 wrote:Sanity check: Is Mobley possibly the Rasheed Wallace we all wanted?
I assume stretch big that plays great defense
I still want to see more juice when he wants to take it downhill on a player. His spin move gets him in the paint, but it signals to better defensive teams when to collapse and make it hard for him
Not saying he cannot do it, but just keeping my eye on it. I think him shooting 35-38% from three on his current three point diet is sustainable and makes me want to see if any team noticeably gameplans against it
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ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:What does this mean lolmcfly1204 wrote:Sanity check: Is Mobley possibly the Rasheed Wallace we all wanted?
I assume stretch big that plays great defense
I still want to see more juice when he wants to take it downhill on a player. His spin move gets him in the paint, but it signals to better defensive teams when to collapse and make it hard for him
Not saying he cannot do it, but just keeping my eye on it. I think him shooting 35-38% from three on his current three point diet is sustainable and makes me want to see if any team noticeably gameplans against it
Similar tools/talent, but Sheed was always one of those infuriating guys who never took that next step towards stardom.
Well at least we're not Detroit!
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https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
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JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
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He'll probably be on a heavy minutes restriction to start.ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
But yeah, it'll be fun to see. Kenny has consistently went 10 deep, idk if 11 is feasible, from a rhythm perspective.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:He'll probably be on a heavy minutes restriction to start.ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
But yeah, it'll be fun to see. Kenny has consistently went 10 deep, idk if 11 is feasible, from a rhythm perspective.
No doubt a fresh batch of injuries will make Kenny's life easier.
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JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:He'll probably be on a heavy minutes restriction to start.ijspeelman wrote:
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
But yeah, it'll be fun to see. Kenny has consistently went 10 deep, idk if 11 is feasible, from a rhythm perspective.
No doubt a fresh batch of injuries will make Kenny's life easier.
Crazy idea, but we could give players rest days.
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Okoro was running around playing football so he's probably a go for Friday. We'll see how Mobley's ankle is but he could realistically sit until the 20th, if needed.JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:He'll probably be on a heavy minutes restriction to start.ijspeelman wrote:
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
But yeah, it'll be fun to see. Kenny has consistently went 10 deep, idk if 11 is feasible, from a rhythm perspective.
No doubt a fresh batch of injuries will make Kenny's life easier.
Outside of that, everyone else should be good to go.
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toooskies wrote:JonFromVA wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:He'll probably be on a heavy minutes restriction to start.
But yeah, it'll be fun to see. Kenny has consistently went 10 deep, idk if 11 is feasible, from a rhythm perspective.
No doubt a fresh batch of injuries will make Kenny's life easier.
Crazy idea, but we could give players rest days.
It seems he's done it a little bit... at least w Garland, Mitch, and Mobley once.
I'd be down for back-to-backs to be rest days for one or two players most of the time.
With Kenny's minutes, it seems we should have fresh legs later in the season either way. Though, I have noticed an uptick in minutes for our starters, but nothing to extreme. Games have been closer so it makes sense our starters are not averaging less than 30 per night.
I do think Kenny and the FO has their eyes on the one seed as it gives us a massive boost in the playoffs, but no idea if they can beat the Celtics in the East the whole way. With it in sight, I'm down to push for it, but if its not I don't really want them pushing for wins over health in the playoffs.
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JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
This is great.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
LeVert and Okoro have missed time as well. Hopefully this means we've seen the end of Jerome and Merrill on the court at the same time.
cbosh4mvp wrote:
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
Jarret Allen isn’t winning you anything. Garland won’t show up in the playoffs. Mobley is a glorified dunk man. Mitchell has some experience but is a liability on defense. To me, the Cavs are a treadmill team.
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jbk1234 wrote:ijspeelman wrote:JujitsuFlip wrote:https://www.si.com/nba/cavaliers/news/cleveland-cavaliers-receive-massive-injury-update-key-piece-max-strus
Wonderful news, Strus is supposed to make his season debut on Friday!
I am extremely curious how Strus impacts the line-up and how Kenny manages it
LeVert and Okoro have missed time as well. Hopefully this means we've seen the end of Jerome and Merrill on the court at the same time.
Well if Kenny looks at the data, we shouldn't. Jerome and Merrill are negative in every lineup they're both in, and positive in every lineup they're not both in.





