Trade Ideas (Part III)

[jbk1234]

JR needs to come off some of that guaranteed money and take a buy out, or he needs to sit his but on the bench and collect his $14.7M, or Klutch needs to go out and find a trade that makes sense for the Cavs. They got him that contract. Let them do some work for it.

[Stillwater]

^ sounds like the org wants him off the team not on the bench, seems kind of odd they would ask him to take a leave of absence though unless they think he is a locker room cancer already, which he probably hasn't been really, but could become that at this point where they clearly do not intend to play him at all.
I agree he should still be in the rotation on some nights not all.
Seems like Altman is washing his hands of him

[yungmasaiah]

trade:

Okc receives: JR Smith/Nance JR

CLE receives: Andre Roberson/Patrick Patterson

[hclb]

trade:

Okc receives: JR Smith/Nance JR

CLE receives: Andre Roberson/Patrick Patterson

Salary won't match. Since Nance got extension, his contract now is "poison pilled", which makes his incoming salary about 9.4 million.

[Stillwater]

trade:

Okc receives: JR Smith/Nance JR

CLE receives: Andre Roberson/Patrick Patterson

Cavs are not moving Larry under any circumstances.

[jbk1234]

trade:

Okc receives: JR Smith/Nance JR

CLE receives: Andre Roberson/Patrick Patterson

Cavs aren't trading Nance JR for a poo platter return.

[jbk1234]

^ sounds like the org wants him off the team not on the bench, seems kind of odd they would ask him to take a leave of absence though unless they think he is a locker room cancer already, which he probably hasn't been really, but could become that at this point where they clearly do not intend to play him at all.
I agree he should still be in the rotation on some nights not all.
Seems like Altman is washing his hands of him

JR isn't Jimmy Butler. If he wants to dress in street clothes the rest of the year due to soreness, Cavs probably don't blink. Honestly, I suspect there's a chance he's traded to L.A. for KCP on December 15 with the Cavs adding Zizic or Frye as a sweetener.

[Stillwater]

^ sounds like the org wants him off the team not on the bench, seems kind of odd they would ask him to take a leave of absence though unless they think he is a locker room cancer already, which he probably hasn't been really, but could become that at this point where they clearly do not intend to play him at all.
I agree he should still be in the rotation on some nights not all.
Seems like Altman is washing his hands of him

JR isn't Jimmy Butler. If he wants to dress in street clothes the rest of the year due to soreness, Cavs probably don't blink. Honestly, I suspect there's a chance he's traded to L.A. for KCP on December 15 with the Cavs adding Zizic or Frye as a sweetener. It's going to be on Klutch to find a trade that makes sense for the Cavs.

Caldwell wouldn't agree to come here and the Lakers are not depleting their youth for vets.
No chance he gets traded to LA . More likely Pels,Rockets, OKC or Washington.

[Stillwater]

I think it's time to start trying to dump some of these vets taking on an extra year albatross for example for Hill to get a young rookie scale player for the rebuild.
here are a couple of ideas with teams that will be looking to get out of the tax or avoid it.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7126505
Cavs send Hill(guaranteed 1mil in 19-20) to Portland for Turner(guaranteed 36mil over 2 seasons) ,Simons( 4 years; 1.8,2.1,2.2(to) and 3.9(to) and Portlands 2019 first lottery protected,then unprotected in 2020.
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trade 2
Cavs send Smith (guaranteed 3.8mil 19-20)& Frye(expiring) Dec. 16th to Houston for Knight(30mil 2 seasons),Chriss (expiring),Hartenstien 3yr .8,1.4,1.6,and Houstons 2019 1st unprotected and 2021 2nd
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7126516
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trade 3 ;a little outside the box on this one and probably not too likely but here it is nonetheless
Cavs to Miami Dec 16th: Thompson (Guaranteed 36mil over 2 years)& Korver 3.4 mil guarantee 19-20)& 2021 2nd from Houston
for Whiteside ( 25mil this season with PO for 27mil in 19-20 = 52mil over 2 years) & Miamis own 2019 first unprotected.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/7126573
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end result Cavs add Simons,Hartenstien, two high upside young players & take a flyer on Chriss & 3 1sts in 2019 or 20 for taking back Turner,Knight,Whiteside for 2 years. Yes the majority of their $ would be locked up in these 3 and Love, but Whiteside will likely decline his 2nd year because he thinks he is better than he is, and we will likely be trading Love next summer anyway for yet more draft assets etc. Hood Dekker and Nwaba will fall off the books next summer and likely only 1 will be retained.
Roster would be as follows until next summer:
Love 24,28,31,31,28 = 144,519,025.00 guaranteed
Whiteside 25.4, 27 2nd year po = 25,434,263 g potentially 52,527,281 if he uses po on 2nd yr.
Turner 17.8,18.6 = 36,475,409 g
Knight 14.6,15.6 = 30,275,000 g
Nance 2.2,12.7,11.7,10.7,9.6 = 47,072,391 g
jc 12.5,13.4 = 25,937,500 g
sexton 4,4.7,4.9,6.3 last 2 yrs to = 8,833,560 g
hood 3.5 unrestricted = 3,472,887 g
Osman 2.77,2.9 = 5,582,143 g
Dekker 2.7 unrestricted = 2,760,095 g
anfernee simons 1.8,2.1,2.2,3.9 last 2 years to = 3,985,080 g
Chriss 3.2m unrestricted = 3,206,160 g
Zizic 1.9,2.3,3.8 last yr to = 4,234,560 g
Nwaba 1.5 unrestricted = 1,512,601 g
Hartenstien .8,1.4,1.6 last 2 yrs non g = 838,464 g
Preston/Holland 2-ways
Cavs will have their own 1sts
Portland,Houston and Miami 1sts

[hclb]

JR for Biyombo + one or two 2nd picks?

[Stillwater]

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JR for Biyombo + one or two 2nd picks?

Cavs are not absorbing front court bad contracts for 2nds.
Maybe 1 back court bad contract if it yields a mid- late first. Smith partial owed after draft day trade and full contract trade value all the way into next summer (old cba makes his contract worth more than his on court value.)
Cavs won't eat any front court contract just to get rid of Smith. They'll keep him on the books until a decent offer comes.

[amcoolio]

JR, Korver, and Tristan Thompson for Cody Zeller, Biyombo, Jeremy Lamb, 2nds?

[jbk1234]

JR, Korver, and Tristan Thompson for Cody Zeller, Biyombo, Jeremy Lamb, 2nds?

Get out of here with two seconds. The Cavs can get a good second and expiring for just Korver. Honestly, people need to understand that these types of deals have likely been on the table for a while now and the Cavs refusing to do them is why JR isn't with the team anymore. We've got the worst record in the league and we can't be leveraged right now.

[stinger14]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

[Stillwater]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

More than it would have this summer.
In fact I would think given his unusual skill for a big athletically lateral speed etc he is finally earning his paycheck I doubt Cavs would move him at all unless he reverts back to lesser role play

[Revenged25]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

More than it would have this summer.
In fact I would think given his unusual skill for a big athletically lateral speed etc he is finally earning his paycheck I doubt Cavs would move him at all unless he reverts back to lesser role play

I dunno, I think they might be willing to move him, but it would require a prospect/pick that they really liked, but the teams that would want TT don't have that.

[jbk1234]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

He's having a career year and he's a great influence on the younger players. It's really hard to evaluate that in terms of player development. I'm not sure there's much that the Hornets would be willing to part with that I'd want.

[mg]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

He's having a career year and he's a great influence on the younger players. It's really hard to evaluate that in terms of player development. I'm not sure there's much that the Hornets would be willing to part with that I'd want.

I have a real love/hate relationship with TT. Loved him during the Finals runs in '15 and '16. Hated him all last season as he was too busy with the Kardashians. Love him again this season. With that said I do believe the Cavs would deal him. Just so much water under the bridge with Klutch and TT really could help a playoff team with his offensive rebounding. I think he has the 8th highest offensive rebounding rate in NBA history or something crazy this season.

The Cavs would not take back a worse contract so maybe MKG(or maybe Biyombo or Williams...definitely not Batum) contract plus a few SRP's is my current guess on his value. If he keeps playing this way could be worth a 1st by the deadline
I think the Cavs probably told TT and his rep Klutch to up his game so they could trade him..just my guess. He is playing like a mad man this entire month though and would def help a team like Charlotte in the playoffs.

[Stillwater]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

He's having a career year and he's a great influence on the younger players. It's really hard to evaluate that in terms of player development. I'm not sure there's much that the Hornets would be willing to part with that I'd want.

I have a real love/hate relationship with TT. Loved him during the Finals runs in '15 and '16. Hated him all last season as he was too busy with the Kardashians. Love him again this season. With that said I do believe the Cavs would deal him. Just so much water under the bridge with Klutch and TT really could help a playoff team with his offensive rebounding. I think he has the 8th highest offensive rebounding rate in NBA history or something crazy this season.

The Cavs would not take back a worse contract so maybe MKG(or maybe Biyombo or Williams...definitely not Batum) contract plus a few SRP's is my current guess on his value. If he keeps playing this way could be worth a 1st by the deadline
I think the Cavs probably told TT and his rep Klutch to up his game so they could trade him..just my guess. He is playing like a mad man this entire month though and would def help a team like Charlotte in the playoffs.

His uptick in effort didn't come until Lue was fired. I think there is a chance he wants to be traded so he's playing harder, but probably just given more freedom.

[jbk1234]

What would it take to get Tristan Thompson?

He's having a career year and he's a great influence on the younger players. It's really hard to evaluate that in terms of player development. I'm not sure there's much that the Hornets would be willing to part with that I'd want.

I have a real love/hate relationship with TT. Loved him during the Finals runs in '15 and '16. Hated him all last season as he was too busy with the Kardashians. Love him again this season. With that said I do believe the Cavs would deal him. Just so much water under the bridge with Klutch and TT really could help a playoff team with his offensive rebounding. I think he has the 8th highest offensive rebounding rate in NBA history or something crazy this season.

The Cavs would not take back a worse contract so maybe MKG(or maybe Biyombo or Williams...definitely not Batum) contract plus a few SRP's is my current guess on his value. If he keeps playing this way could be worth a 1st by the deadline
I think the Cavs probably told TT and his rep Klutch to up his game so they could trade him..just my guess. He is playing like a mad man this entire month though and would def help a team like Charlotte in the playoffs.

I'll be really pissed at Altman if he's dealt for that type of return. I mean we're talking Marvin, Biz or Zeller here. I'd need at least a top-10 protected first before I touched those deals.