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Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:12 am
by Fencer reregistered
I assume LBJ is basically clean in the area of drugs.
If so, and if he needs (perfectly legal) narcotic pain-killers to play now, he may not be used to their effect on him. There's a whole spectrum between "obviously high as a kite" and "completely unaffected", and at least in theory they are depressants.
Just a thought, after seeing the renewed rumors about the severity of his injury.
You guys would know a lot better one way or the other than a non-Cavs fan like me.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:51 am
by RRT
How would we know better on that subject? it's not like any of us are in any contact with lebron, unless someone's here mows his lawn then sir you may speak on it.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:54 am
by Magic2FinalsN09
his problem is...everyone thinks hes GOD. he's not, nor is he some super human basketball player that leads his team to a ship every year. his problem is, his supporting cast stinks. the guy has a couple of bad games and hes getting crucified. maybe if the team he was on wasnt complete garbage, they might have a shot at winnning a title. everyone has to have someone next to them to win it all. lebron could win 61 games but he cant take on a true team in a 7 game series without help.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 2:41 am
by stunnar0b
dude i know you love your boi BUT...
the guy just didnt bring it
its obvious his jumper wasnt falling so why not drive to the basket instead of watching with your thumb up your ass while live pick n rolls are active...
the guy basically mailed it in and knows wheres hes going and been knowing since the start of the season...
one word: ROSE
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:10 am
by Fencer reregistered
RRT wrote:How would we know better on that subject? it's not like any of us are in any contact with lebron, unless someone's here mows his lawn then sir you may speak on it.
You probably watch his moods more closely than other hoops fans do.
Anyhow -- while I suggested that Cavs fans might know something, I wasn't thinking of you in particular when I said that.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 3:18 am
by wigglestrue
Plausible theory, maybe the only one that could excuse his Game 5 passiveness/mediocrity.
I'm surprised more Cavs fans aren't jumping on this one, I sure as hell would be.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 5:23 am
by Pula_86
Never seen so many ready made excuses for a player. Why does everyone think that LBJ is the only superstar to ever play with an injury (which I don't believe)? At this point in the season, everybody is dealing with pain and injury.
Every Cavs fan wishes it was not true, but the fact is LBJ quit on his team and his city.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:22 am
by Fencer reregistered
Pula_86 wrote:Never seen so many ready made excuses for a player. Why does everyone think that LBJ is the only superstar to ever play with an injury (which I don't believe)? At this point in the season, everybody is dealing with pain and injury.
Every Cavs fan wishes it was not true, but the fact is LBJ quit on his team and his city.
Well, I hope you're right. I'd like the Celts to wrap this series up on Thursday, for all sorts of obvious reasons.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 12:18 pm
by iserp
Could be.
However, about the "stinky" teammates; i believe Lebron has a good supporting cast (maybe not superb, but quite good), but lacks a lot of leadership in coaching. Basically Mike Brown lets Lebron win the games by himself, and it hurts the rest of the team.
Let me explain, I didn't watch the game, but i read this Hollinger article about the 'LeBacle'. He analyzed a bit if he had an injury; and about the game, he basically said that Antawn, Shaq, Mo, ... were doing fine, the problem was that anytime the play went through Lebron, Cle was very ineffective; and that was what Cle was doing for the whole 2nd half. Mike Brown doesn't have the guts to sit Lebron if he is doing bad, or at least draw some plays for Jamison, and let Lebron have some rest (although in the court). He just switches players like mad, while not changing the way of playing at all.
Actually, from some youtube highlights, it seems to me that not only Lebron shooting was off, but his mind was too. Because he didn't care in defense; so maybe you're right about painkillers. However, i wouldn't make a big case for it; Lebron isn't 100% healthy, and the Celtics are still a good team who are very concentrated and very tough. Everyone took for granted that Cle would reach ECF, and actually, the team has a lot of pressure to go to the finals (and win). All this messes with Lebron mind; which is something natural, and he isn't taking it in a good way.
Other years, Lebron didn't have a lot of pressure: he was basically in a bad team, doing extraordinary things. Now, he is expected to WIN; and everyone in Cle wants it now (just in case he bolts this summer). Although he's been a superstar for a long long time, this may be the first time he doesn't meet the expectations around him. He is mismanaging his (more than likely) injury, not telling the team (and the rest of the people, but specially not telling the team) the truth about it. His mindset is off, and his last press conferences are starting to be a bit weird.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 1:27 pm
by Icness
I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 11:31 pm
by RRT
Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.
I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 3:57 am
by Fencer reregistered
RRT wrote:Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.
I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.
I'm pretty sure that in any professional team sport you can take painkillers when properly prescribed.
Anyhow, it's possible to play through something that makes your head a bit fuzzy, and actually use it to focus. That's the theory suggested for various guys who have great games despite the flu. But maybe that's a skill that LBJ, at this point in his career, lacks.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:24 am
by jade_hippo
Fencer reregistered wrote:RRT wrote:Icness wrote:I've actually played better on Vicodin when paired with caffeine. It dulls the mind and I don't think too much, just react.
I agree with that but NBA does he strict drug laws so you never know what the case is.
I'm pretty sure that in any professional team sport you can take painkillers when properly prescribed.
Anyhow, it's possible to play through something that makes your head a bit fuzzy, and actually use it to focus. That's the theory suggested for various guys who have great games despite the flu. But maybe that's a skill that LBJ, at this point in his career, lacks.
If he was on anything it would likely be cortizone in the problem area. Numbs it up really nice and you don't get any of the foggy/sleepy side effects . Probably 90% of joint/liament ailments are treated this way, so painkillers side effects probably isn't the issue, although I wouldn't completely rule it out, it is possible, just unlikely.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 1:19 pm
by INKtastic
LeBron getting his MVP last year
He's held every award he's ever gotten up like that until this year
Clearly something is wrong with his elbow.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 6:21 pm
by wigglestrue
lj4mvp wrote:LeBron getting his MVP last year
He's held every award he's ever gotten up like that until this year
Clearly something is wrong with his elbow.
Video would be better.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 7:26 pm
by Fencer reregistered
jade_hippo wrote:
If he was on anything it would likely be cortizone in the problem area. Numbs it up really nice and you don't get any of the foggy/sleepy side effects . Probably 90% of joint/liament ailments are treated this way, so painkillers side effects probably isn't the issue, although I wouldn't completely rule it out, it is possible, just unlikely.
The reporting suggested he got that Game 4. Meaning it wasn't available to him Game 5 or Game 6.
But actually -- playing through pain vs. playing through painkillers vs. playing through certain kinds of injuries all raise the same issues. It's a skill to focus despite those distractions, and not necessarily a skill LeBron has a lot of practice exercising.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:14 pm
by blix
guys I swear I'm not trolling. I don't have a history of it - but is the story about Delonte true or is it a completely baseless rumor (best you can tell?
I ask because:
A) it kinda explains why he seemed so out of it mentally
B) you guys are closer to the scene and probably have more access to local media discussing it
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 4:40 pm
by cdouglas
Lebron is in Freemasonry and perhaps his decison isn't his own but someone bigger than Lebron.
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:26 am
by wigglestrue
cdouglas wrote:Lebron is in Freemasonry and perhaps his decison isn't his own but someone bigger than Lebron.
Totally:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Wesley
Re: Could LBJ's problem be pain-killers?
Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 3:20 am
by bcortell
blix wrote:guys I swear I'm not trolling. I don't have a history of it - but is the story about Delonte true or is it a completely baseless rumor (best you can tell?
I ask because:
A) it kinda explains why he seemed so out of it mentally
B) you guys are closer to the scene and probably have more access to local media discussing it
Not true.
Everyone stop asking.