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Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 12:49 am**

Congrats to Mike Brown on landing possibly the most prestigious coaching job in the NBA. He has his work cut out for him, but he is a great guy and a good coach so I wish him the best.
On a side note, does anyone else suspect the first day at Lakers practice will go something like this:

M. Brown...."Hey Kobe, good to see you, have been looking forward to getting started".
Kobe...."Hey coach, you do know we run the triangle offense right?".
M. Brown....."Offense? ........Triangle? .........would that be an isocolese or equilateral triangle?"
Kobe......(runs away screaming ......... "I dont understand").

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 1:56 am**

I'm glad that Brown is getting another chance. I think he's a good coach (as long as he has someone to focus on offense). I think we pretty much screwed him over.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 2:14 am**

I think he should be fine offensively given the personnel. If he can get everyone to buy in defensively, then I think they can be a contender for a couple more years.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 2:31 am**

TheOUTLAW wrote:I'm glad that Brown is getting another chance. I think he's a good coach (as long as he has someone to focus on offense). I think we pretty much screwed him over.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 2:49 am**

hey guys, i'm a Laker fan and i came over to ask what his strengths and weakness's are? i have to admit i'm not a huge fan of the hire, as i wanted Adelman, but i think we'll be fine with Brown. i'm definitely warming up to Brown though, especially seeing that you guys still respect him.

i don't know a ton about the guy, but he seems like a good dude at least, and a good defensive coach. was he a bad offensive coach? or did he just not have any capable guys outside of Lebron.

good luck in the draft, us Laker fans are stoked to see you guys have two great picks.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 3:32 am**

Mike Brown is a bad offensive coach in the sense that he, quite literally, has no idea what offense is. He will never mention offense. EVER. I went years without hearing him mention that word. All he does is harp on defense. Reporters would ask him about the stagnant offense and he'd say that we needed to play better defense. We had assistants who ran the offense and came up with pretty much all the plays.

As a defensive coach, he is terrific. He has experience with Ron Artest and those two, I believe, got along really well. He will use the Lakers' talents very effectively and probably make them a top 5 defensive team in his first season.

I like Mike Brown as a person, but I hated him as a head coach. I always believed he was a defensive assistant only. When it got to crunch time in the playoffs, our offense was always exposed and it became LeBrono-centric. (Stand and watch LeBron do things/get triple teamed). We'll see if he's willing to make some tough decisions and lay down the law in LA. I'm rooting for him, I suppose. He'll always be my Mr. Potato Head.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 4:16 am**

Similar to what Nirvana said, Mike Brown will never pay any attention to the offense.. It will be all defense, defense, and defense. I think the Lakers will be fine if they have an assistant coach who preaches offense (Brian Shaw?). One of the things that really bothered me with Mike Brown is the fact that he made no adjustments in the playoffs and just stuck to his robotic rotations. The other thing is if a player were to play well for one game or for a stretch, that player may not be playing at all in the next game out of nowhere.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 4:51 am**

If you actually listened to what he and LeBron said, the Cavs did actually have an offense in place. It might have been rudimentary, or very regimented, but there was one. The key was that if the Cavs played good defense, they were allowed more flexibility on offense to do what they wanted. In that case it seemed the idea was to give LeBron the ball and get out the way.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 5:15 am**

Mike Brown's entire coaching career has been with some of greatest defensive team's of this era with the Artest/Oneal Pacers (an awesome 60 win defensive team who might have won a title had it not been for the brawl), the Spurs and the Cavs. Brown knows defense inside and out, in fact there probably isn't a better defensive coach in the league. However he is equally bad on offense. But the fact that he is going to an experienced team like the Lakers with players used to playing with each other, and a good offensive assistant in Shaw, this shouldn't be such a huge liability.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 6:07 am**

TheOUTLAW wrote:If you actually listened to what he and LeBron said, the Cavs did actually have an offense in place. It might have been rudimentary, or very regimented, but there was one. The key was that if the Cavs played good defense, they were allowed more flexibility on offense to do what they wanted. In that case it seemed the idea was to give LeBron the ball and get out the way.

I thought the Cavs actually had an offensive scheme that was super effective when Kuester was the assistant coach in '09. But it seems like in the Orlando series, they went away from what they used all season and just went with LeISO.. Then when Detroit hired Kuester, that is when I had no idea what the Cavs did on offense.. I remember during training camp that the only focus was on defense with no mention of the offense at all. As far as I know, there is definitely more LeISO in '10 than '09.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 7:52 am**

Exile23 wrote:Similar to what Nirvana said, Mike Brown will never pay any attention to the offense.. It will be all defense, defense, and defense. I think the Lakers will be fine if they have an assistant coach who preaches offense (Brian Shaw?). One of the things that really bothered me with Mike Brown is the fact that he made no adjustments in the playoffs and just stuck to his robotic rotations. The other thing is if a player were to play well for one game or for a stretch, that player may not be playing at all in the next game out of nowhere.

Terrible at adjusting and using different rotations. This is why I hated Brown.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 9:38 am**

I'll say the same thing I told my friend that is a diehard Lakers fan today...he was pisssssssed until I basically told him how Brown took a team with a Larry Hughes/Sasha Pavlovic backcourt, a Gooden/Z front court, and Donyell Marshall as our Lamar Odom to the FINALS!....that being said...

Bynum>>Z
Gasol>>>>>>>Gooden
Artest<LBJ
Kobe>>>>>>>Sasha
Fisher=Hughes....maybe Hughes having the edge only cause Brown coached him 4 years ago when he was a little younger.
And Odom>>>>>Marshall
Brown,Barnes,Blake>>>>Gibson, Damon Jones, Eric Snow
they should do very well with Mike Brown imo!!!! Bynum is a great defensive anchor, and they have a bunch of nice young wing defenders and Pau and Odom defend the 4 very well...I see good things coming for them

ps: sorry if this is hard to understand or anything i re-read and tried to make sure it is easy to comprehend but...i'm pretty wasted not gonna lie haha,

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 1:17 pm**

Brown is a very humble guy. He understands he isnt the best offensive mind and delegates it to his assistants. The general board idiots ripped him for this, but its better than having a big ego and running your own offense that doesnt work.

The Cavs were always a terrific team at the end of games, so although his playcalling is called into question at the end of games, it was effective. He is better at end of game play calls than Brooks, Thibs, and Spo are, and they are 3/4 coaches left. He will make you guys a top 5 defensive team and a top 5 rebounding team, and if he hires good assistants for offense, you guys will be a top team next year.

Hes a top 10 coach in my opinion. His weakness is he is more static than dynamic and might stick with something that isnt working at the present moment as long as its shown success in the past. He doesnt switch it up enough.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 4:56 pm**

I agree with most of what has been said, but add this. His defensive adjustments in the playoffs 2 years ago against Orlando where he had Lebron chasing the PG while Hedo and Lewis were just killing us was mind boggling. Trying to defend the two 6'10 guys with Delonte West was obviously a mistake but Brown never changed his strategy.
Also the club regularly got killed to start the second half of games where teams usually make their adjustments. Rigid is a good word to describe his approach, and I can easily forsee Kobe losing patience with him if Brown hasnt learned how to adjust his strategy in games and from game to game in playoff series.

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 7:58 pm**

What would you guys say would be most important for the Lakers to acquire in terms of backup SG, PG, and backup depth?

Posted: **Thu May 26, 2011 8:54 pm**

PG definitely, you guys should send us your first for Sessions. :wink:

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2011 1:01 am**

How many three-point shooters though do you need to make up for his lack of a three point-shot? I mean Fisher-Barnes-Odom isn't exactly a fantastic group of shooters to surround him with. Then again he has a midrange so he's not Rondo.

Posted: **Fri May 27, 2011 2:55 am**

Kaner wrote:I'll say the same thing I told my friend that is a diehard Lakers fan today...he was pisssssssed until I basically told him how Brown took a team with a Larry Hughes/Sasha Pavlovic backcourt, a Gooden/Z front court, and Donyell Marshall as our Lamar Odom to the FINALS!....that being said...

Bynum>>Z
Gasol>>>>>>>Gooden
Artest<LBJ
Kobe>>>>>>>Sasha
Fisher=Hughes....maybe Hughes having the edge only cause Brown coached him 4 years ago when he was a little younger.
And Odom>>>>>Marshall
Brown,Barnes,Blake>>>>Gibson, Damon Jones, Eric Snow
they should do very well with Mike Brown imo!!!! Bynum is a great defensive anchor, and they have a bunch of nice young wing defenders and Pau and Odom defend the 4 very well...I see good things coming for them

ps: sorry if this is hard to understand or anything i re-read and tried to make sure it is easy to comprehend but...i'm pretty wasted not gonna lie haha,

Kobe should be offended that Sasha was even called a SG

Posted: **Sun May 29, 2011 12:45 am**

Glad you guys have a topic going on about him, didn't want to make a new thread just to ask some questions.

First off I see a lot of guys railing about his offensive ineptness. No biggie for me, our core guys can mentally revert to the triangle if it got to drastic measures in a game. I think our emphasis will be to get buckets in transition, an element that eroded from us the last couple of seasons.

When we won our titles we won them by leading the league in defensive rebounding and defensive field goal percentage against the 3, basically we force teams into bad shots and took the ball off the glass. I acknowledge that we need a younger guard at the 1, but to me in Brown's system he'll have to be able to defend.

One question I gotta ask is this....when you guys had Shannon Brown, what was the chief reason for him getting no burn ?

I know Shannon has since changed big time since he was there, seeing as Shannon has a player option on his deal do you guy think he'll jet out?

His head has really blown up since he's been here, now with a coach who cut him coming here don't know how that will go down.

Posted: **Sun May 29, 2011 1:02 am**

I believe Shanon has matured as has his game, but I believe he suffered as a rookie under Brown due to puzzling rotations/substitutions and what seemed to be a general distrust that Brown had for younger players. That is something that hopefully for you guys that Brown has reflected back on and learned from.

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