Trade Ideas - Part 2

rjgraca · Post #41 » by **rjgraca** » Sat Apr 7, 2012 6:46 pm

Marvin's contract doesn't make him a real asset to the Cavs. The Cavs wouldn't be the one sending picks in a Marvin Williams deal.

BSM · Post #42 » by **BSM** » Sun Apr 8, 2012 12:39 am

i'd do gibson for marvin straight up.

Nirvana · Post #43 » by **Nirvana** » Sun Apr 8, 2012 1:51 am

I'd be more interested in Marvin if he was locked up for a little longer. He's still 25, will be 26 to start next season. He'd certainly add to the team. Wouldn't mind having him if he were extended for ~7 mil a year for 3 years.

I wouldn't give 2 high 2nd rounders for him as a rental, though.

Harper4Ferry? · Post #44 » by **Harper4Ferry?** » Sun Apr 8, 2012 4:27 am

Boobie and the Lakers pick for Marvin Williams and the Hawks pick. They save 8m, minus whatever the buyout for Boobie is.

Niko23 · Post #45 » by **Niko23** » Sun Apr 8, 2012 12:59 pm

Beal/Lamb/T.Ross/T.Jones will outperform Marv easily

Geaux_Hawks · Post #46 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Sun Apr 8, 2012 5:26 pm

Nirvana wrote:I'd be more interested in Marvin if he was locked up for a little longer. He's still 25, will be 26 to start next season. He'd certainly add to the team. Wouldn't mind having him if he were extended for ~7 mil a year for 3 years.

I wouldn't give 2 high 2nd rounders for him as a rental, though.

I'm pretty sure he would re-sign with a promising Cleveland team to be a 3rd option kind of guy. His main problem with Atlanta is that he always was behind josh Smith. If you look at his advance stats, Marvin could very well turn his career around with more opportunities. 2 high 2nds isnt much to give up. Especially when you have a late first to go along with your lotto pick.

Niko23 wrote:Beal/Lamb/T.Ross/T.Jones will outperform Marv easily

Will any of those guys fall to the 2nd round? On top of that, Beal, Lamb, and Ross are all 2 guards with the exception of Ross having the size to play some 3. Jones isn't as good people think either. To further complicate things, Cleveland would only be able to get one of those 4. Marvin is more than likely better than anything you will get in the 2nd anyway.

rjgraca · Post #47 » by **rjgraca** » Mon Apr 9, 2012 6:41 pm

The Cavs would be looking at a long-term view rather than settling for cap clutter in Williams. The Cavs have Alonzo Gee who they like and he pretty much does what Marvin Williams does, but at a much more reasonable salary. The Cavs can't be squandering high 2nd round picks in a deep draft of 2012. The Cavs are willing to take on salary cap clutter like Williams, but they would be looking for 1st round pick. If the Hawks are looking to move Marvin Williams for a 2nd round pick from Cleveland, they would be sending their 2012 1st pick back to the Cavs in that deal at the very minimum. With the new restrictive CBA salary cap, it isn't going to be easy to move over-sized contracts like Marvin Williams.

Harper4Ferry? · Post #48 » by **Harper4Ferry?** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:24 am

Max offer Eric Gordon. Even if it gets matched, and it likely will, he's better than anyone other than Davis in the draft.

To the naysayers-
1. Make the offer. If he doesn't sign it, move on
2. The Hornets will match, but it's worth a shot
3. His injury history is questionable, and alarming. But he'd be the 2nd best player on this team.
4. It's only a 4 year deal. If he keeps getting hurt, it will mean we can't spend money on guys like Ira Newble and Donyell Marshall. Or Boobie Gibson. Or any other cap sucking vampire we've had here.
5. Anthony Parker starts at shooting guard.

Post #49 » by **Rise Against** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:34 am

I would only offer Gordon the max if we don't draft a SG (Beal, Lamb).

Other than that, I would probably take the chance in offering the max to Hibbert.

Roger Murdock · Post #50 » by **Roger Murdock** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:30 am

Offer the max to Harden before Gordon.

Harper4Ferry? · Post #51 » by **Harper4Ferry?** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:39 pm

Harden isn't a RFA until the following season.

KuruptedCav · Post #52 » by **KuruptedCav** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:45 pm

I'd throw money at Gordon or Hibbert, and that's about it from the current free agent crop. The opportunity to add those kinds of talents must be explored and the addition of young talented players does nothing to short-cut or undermine the rebuilding process.

heathmalc · Post #53 » by **heathmalc** » Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:03 am

rjgraca wrote:The Cavs would be looking at a long-term view rather than settling for cap clutter in Williams. The Cavs have Alonzo Gee who they like and he pretty much does what Marvin Williams does, but at a much more reasonable salary. The Cavs can't be squandering high 2nd round picks in a deep draft of 2012. The Cavs are willing to take on salary cap clutter like Williams, but they would be looking for 1st round pick. If the Hawks are looking to move Marvin Williams for a 2nd round pick from Cleveland, they would be sending their 2012 1st pick back to the Cavs in that deal at the very minimum. With the new restrictive CBA salary cap, it isn't going to be easy to move over-sized contracts like Marvin Williams.

+1

Best post I've seen in this thread!

HotrodBeaubois · Post #54 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:01 pm

Would you do this trade?

Vince Carter- 2 years Remaining $3,120,000 $3,180,000
Dominique Jones- 1 year Remaining $1,277,000
Dallas 1st Rd Pick #20
Dallas 2nd Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)

For

Cleveland 1st Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #3 ( From New Orleans )
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #4

Nirvana · Post #55 » by **Nirvana** » Sun Apr 15, 2012 3:44 pm

Umm... no?

We trade two very high 2nds to move up 6 spots and take on salary? Yikes.

KuruptedCav · Post #56 » by **KuruptedCav** » Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:12 am

What would Varejao net in a trade after the season?

I'm thinking either a mid-1st pick and a player in 2012 or a 2012 2nd rounder and an unprotected 2013 first rounder

Post #57 » by **TheOUTLAW** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:55 am

HotrodBeaubois wrote:Would you do this trade?

Vince Carter- 2 years Remaining $3,120,000 $3,180,000
Dominique Jones- 1 year Remaining $1,277,000
Dallas 1st Rd Pick #20
Dallas 2nd Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)

For

Cleveland 1st Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #3 ( From New Orleans )
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #4

Yuck and I see no reason why the Cavs would be giving up picks for Williams. They should be getting picks to take him.

HotrodBeaubois · Post #58 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:24 am

TheOUTLAW wrote:
HotrodBeaubois wrote:Would you do this trade?

Vince Carter- 2 years Remaining $3,120,000 $3,180,000
Dominique Jones- 1 year Remaining $1,277,000
Dallas 1st Rd Pick #20
Dallas 2nd Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)

For

Cleveland 1st Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #3 ( From New Orleans )
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #4

Yuck and I see no reason why the Cavs would be giving up picks for Williams. They should be getting picks to take him.

Williams? Do you mean Carter?

Then how about this?
Dallas 1st Rd Pick #18-20
Dallas 2nd Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)

For

Cleveland 1st Rd Pick #26 ( From Lakers)
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #3 ( From New Orleans )
Cleveland 2nd Rd Pick #4

Post #59 » by **B Mac** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:14 pm

That doesn't make any sense for the Cavs.

HotrodBeaubois · Post #60 » by **HotrodBeaubois** » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:35 pm

B Mac wrote:That doesn't make any sense for the Cavs.

Moving up 6-8 spots doesn't make sense?