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it seems like the Cavs have missed on all their picks unless they've had the #1 pick and it was a clear choice like Lebron or Kyrie. I can't recall a another player in recent times that they've drafted and developed into a legit NBA player. they either trade them before they develop or draft someone no one was anticipating when there was an obvious better choice. as an example, everyone was expecting them to draft jonas at 4 last year, but they pick tristan thompson out of no where. thompson is a good player, but not a top 4 pick. i'm going to be so pissed if there is an obvious choice on the board this year and they draft another player no one has heard of again.



we need to hire people from the spurs drafting team.

Wasnt Danny Ferry from the Spurs? Probably should have thought about that one......

When Gilbert became owner is a good starting point when talking about the current organization. Lumping in mistakes made before that is just silly.

Last years draft was the first time this Cavs organization has been in the lottery. Thompson was not "out of nowhere". I remember looking at some projections and I saw him as high as 6th and as low as around 10. Jonas was the guy lots of people thought we were going to get (me as well) but something scared them away and we may never know exactly. Until he gets out there and plays in the NBA we won't know if a mistake was made.

The only other choices you can look at were ones with similar projections. You can't look at guys like Faried or Shumpert and go "why didn't we get them" because a dozen teams after us passed on them as well.

Knight is clearly better but we didn't want two point guards.

The only other player picked in the lottery after TT who is clearly better imo is Klay Thompson.

Also, this draft is so much deeper and has been so much more scrutinized.

Every guy on here can tell you the top 6 players in the draft for us and roughly who we would should grab depending on what pick we get. There will be no surprises.

The front office has been turned over, and thus far their drafting has been on par. I continually find it funny when people think that Jonas Valanciunas was an obvious choice over Thompson. You could argue that the organization did not want to wait for JV, but waiting would have only served us better. Clearly the Cavs liked that Thompson had an existing relationship with Irving, AND they also liked what they saw in him. Athletic, long, great work ethic, and a high motor... it does not take much to realize why they picked who they did. Give Thompson another season or two, wait until Valanciunas actually plays a game in the NBA, and then make judgement calls about obvious selections being missed. Did I mention this thread smells like a wet fart?

As others mentioned, no reason to critisize the current FO for the actions of those long gone.

I really don't think we can screw up the 3rd pick. Even if you don't want a guy for one reason or another I really don't think they'll reach outside one of the top 5 guys.
While I've got my favorates, all I really want to see from them is that they're building intelligently around Irving.

Irving was the best player in the draft and Thompson had the 3rd best season of any rookie drafted top 10. I am not that worried about our franchises drafting ability.

I noticed Danny Green was drafted by the Cavs. I think it's not the drafting ability, but more of the development and usage of the players. It's hard not to acknowledge the Spurs drafted mid first rounder or uses other team's scrub and turns them into great pieces.

nle2367 wrote:I noticed Danny Green was drafted by the Cavs. I think it's not the drafting ability, but more of the development and usage of the players. It's hard not to acknowledge the Spurs drafted mid first rounder or uses other team's scrub and turns them into great pieces.

If you look at the D-League squad Cleveland rolled out last season, it is fair to think that they are on track in regards to player development. Seeing Danny Green now irks me because I thought he could be the potential high level role player that we are seeing today. If Green had time under Scott, I think he would still be in Cleveland today.

Danny Green is a role player and nothing more. He looks better because he plays with Duncan,Ginobili,and Parker. Teams are not paying attention to Danny Green, he is a system fit guy who right now fits their system, but to sit here and say he would make an impact on the Cavs is ridiculous. As for the teams Drafting prowess, Grant so far has done nothing to prove to me he will bomb like past GM's. I think have Byron is his ear helps quite a bit because Byron knows guys who can play in this league and who can't. Look at the TT pick everyone said huge reach, well last years Draft was horrible and other than TT who would have you of picked?? Valunchunas(sp) maybe Klay Thompson but he was projected lower, so lets wait and see and this 4th pick will be huge pick as with reagrds to this conversation down the road.

Remember the reason that Danny Green was released. His attitude is what got him released and at this point that might have been the best thing for him.

You have to give the current regime some time. Chris Grant and Byron Scott haven't had the chance to do a lot, what with the lockout and the lack of tenure. I'm not crazy about how Thompson played--I thought he plateaued after about 25 games--but let's see what Scott & Co. can do with a full offseason and more help.

Alright, based on the thompson pick at 4, I am giving grant and this FO a C- in drafting. I'm not factoring in the Irving pick since he was the consensus #1 pick and it was an obvious choice. I will assign this team a new drafting grade after this draft.

Players I would take ahead of TT:

JV (it is still mind boggling why they didn't take him)
Faried
kahwi lenard
Thompsen

Kawhi would have been awesome with Irving. He's the second best player in that draft.

Grant youre a dumba$$. this guy needs to be fired ASAP

we had a top 4 pick with drummond/Trob/Barnes still on the board and you pick waiters?

fart wrote:Grant youre a dumba$$. this guy needs to be fired ASAP

we had a top 4 pick with drummond/Trob/Barnes still on the board and you pick waiters?

I'm going to love when Drummond averages worse numbers than TT rookie season, when TT does better in 2nd season than TRob does in his rookie, and when Barnes ends up being the bust he is, while Waiters is putting up numbers similar to Westbrook, yes, fire the guy without having the players play a single game.

But let him keep his job if he drafts by what other scouts project, hell, just draft off mock drafts you find online and keep most people happy, have no imagination with drafting.

Then expect to separate yourself form the pack.

thetrapman wrote:

fart wrote:Grant youre a dumba$$. this guy needs to be fired ASAP

we had a top 4 pick with drummond/Trob/Barnes still on the board and you pick waiters?

I'm going to love when Drummond averages worse numbers than TT rookie season, when TT does better in 2nd season than TRob does in his rookie, and when Barnes ends up being the bust he is, while Waiters is putting up numbers similar to Westbrook, yes, fire the guy without having the players play a single game.

But let him keep his job if he drafts by what other scouts project, hell, just draft off mock drafts you find online and keep most people happy, have no imagination with drafting.

Then expect to separate yourself form the pack.

I'll tell you what. If Waiters put's up westbrook numbers, I will eat my shoes.

I'm pretty content with the drafting ability of this team.

First and the most important rule, we can't grade this draft for another two or three years. Give the kids sometime to learn the league and play in actually NBA games before we judge them. TT is looking really good and he could grow into a Larry Nance-ish player (if he can start hitting jumpers consistently). We needed a big, and we needed someone with a motor who wants to get better. I like the TT pick still.

As far as Waiters, of course I would have liked to trade down to 6 or 7 and pick him there because I think we could have. However, the kid can score, something we will need BADLY now that Jamison is gone. I'm really put off by the fact we didn't work him out and picked him at 4. That is my only complaint right now. I'm fine with picking Waiters, it's a head scratcher of why we'd do it at four, but let's see if he proves us right.

And getting Zeller I think was a home run. Projected top 10, got him for peanuts, all the UNC guys said he was one of the leaders and main locker room voices, athletic AND tall. I'm really happy with that pick.

If we had a competent GM, we would be looking at a line up of

Irving
Gee
PJ3
TROB
Jonas V


and this isn't even taking into consideration the two 2nd rounders we had, can anyone honestly say that this is not a btter lookingl line up than

Irving
Waiters
Gee
Thompson
Zeller

fart wrote:If we had a competent GM, we would be looking at a line up of

Irving
Gee
PJ3
TROB
Jonas V


and this isn't even taking into consideration the two 2nd rounders we had, can anyone honestly say that this is not a btter lookingl line up than

Irving
Waiters
Gee
Thompson
Zeller

I honestly dont know because i havent seen zeller, waiters, PJ3, TRob, or valanciunas play a single game in the nba yet.