Derrick Williams

aaa · Post #1 » by **aaa** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:05 am

I know the rumors were tenuous at best, but what do Cavs fans think about the possibility of trading Varejao for Williams in some sort of package? Does Williams fit with the Cavs current roster and future plans?

BossHoggin · Post #2 » by **BossHoggin** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:15 am

Cavs already have enough role player PFs

mcfly1204 · Post #3 » by **mcfly1204** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 1:19 pm

Such a deal only goes down if:

1. Chris Grant see Williams as a guy who can effectively play both the 3 and the 4. The organization has made comments previously about having interchangeable parts in the front court, I believe they value such flexibility.
2. Or Williams is being sent to a third team with the third team sending assets to Cleveland. A team like Charlotte could really benefit from a scoring forward, but they do not have a lot of interesting pieces, so such a deal would likely require Diop and a pick, or something along those lines.

Niko23 · Post #4 » by **Niko23** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 3:37 pm

A simple Varejao for Williams swap is not going to happen. So it will be a matter of what type of pick will be going back to Minnesota. The Sac pic and LAL pick I do not believe will be enough. It would most likely have to be some sort of protected pick back to Minnesota.

My issue with Williams and even Thompson is that those guys were drafted higher in a weaker year. I have my doubts that either guy, if taken in the 2012 draft - go in the top 10....

rjgraca · Post #5 » by **rjgraca** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 5:49 pm

IMO, it would be Derrick Williams going to another team in a multi-player trade like to Orlando for the Cavs to get someone like Bynum.

It's kind of funny to read where a poster states that Williams would not have been a significant pick in 2012, yet in the same post the Cavs are supposed to be giving up a significant pick and Varejao to get Williams. I guess that poster regards Varejao as a throw-in.

three6mofia · Post #6 » by **three6mofia** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 6:35 pm

Terrible trade 4 us. Williams cant defend the 3 or the 4. He is michael beasley without the attitude problems....And 4 a guy who is never gonna defend at a high rate, his offense is not very effecient either. Im not saying he cant get better but i am willing to bet alonzo gee being a better all around nba player in a couple years. Forget Derrick Williams

mcfly1204 · Post #7 » by **mcfly1204** » Mon Aug 6, 2012 7:10 pm

Derrick Williams's ceiling is Antawn Jamison. Nice 6th man for a contender, not really suited for a rebuilding team at this point.

CLEbland · Post #8 » by **CLEbland** » Tue Aug 7, 2012 11:23 pm

mcfly1204 wrote:Derrick Williams's ceiling is Antawn Jamison. Nice 6th man for a contender, not really suited for a rebuilding team at this point.

is Varejao really either though? I do like the lead by example model for playing hard AV exhibits, but if we could pull off trading him and maybe the lakers/heat pick - I would take the young talent every time even without a sure position. Imagine a crazy athletic smallball lineup of KI, waiters, gee/miles, Williams, and TT. horrid on D but would be exciting to watch at least

Stebo_SSK · Post #9 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:15 am

BossHoggin wrote:Cavs already have enough role player PFs

Cleveland would be better off keeping Thompson alone than pulling in a guy that would compete for his minutes...

mcfly1204 · Post #10 » by **mcfly1204** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 1:41 pm

CLEbland wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Derrick Williams's ceiling is Antawn Jamison. Nice 6th man for a contender, not really suited for a rebuilding team at this point.

is Varejao really either though? I do like the lead by example model for playing hard AV exhibits, but if we could pull off trading him and maybe the lakers/heat pick - I would take the young talent every time even without a sure position. Imagine a crazy athletic smallball lineup of KI, waiters, gee/miles, Williams, and TT. horrid on D but would be exciting to watch at least

Well, to answer your question, I would prefer the defensive-minded PF/C who is a solid rebounder and can still score if used properly over a scoring SF/PF who will struggle defensively. Yes, Williams is considerably younger, and he should still improve, but I question his overall effectiveness in the league.

Niko23 · Post #11 » by **Niko23** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 2:16 pm

Thompson needs minutes and Williams can't play the 3. When Thompson played 23mpg or more he averaged 11ppg and 8rpg. I expect that to go up with another year under his belt and Waiters being able to distribute

Stebo_SSK · Post #12 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:38 pm

CLEbland wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Derrick Williams's ceiling is Antawn Jamison. Nice 6th man for a contender, not really suited for a rebuilding team at this point.

is Varejao really either though? I do like the lead by example model for playing hard AV exhibits, but if we could pull off trading him and maybe the lakers/heat pick - I would take the young talent every time even without a sure position. Imagine a crazy athletic smallball lineup of KI, waiters, gee/miles, Williams, and TT. horrid on D but would be exciting to watch at least

Why would Cleveland trade Varejao and a pick for Derrick Williams?

BossHoggin · Post #13 » by **BossHoggin** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 3:46 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:
BossHoggin wrote:Cavs already have enough role player PFs

Cleveland would be better off keeping Thompson alone than pulling in a guy that would compete for his minutes...

An even better reason not to do the trade from the Cavs POV.

CLEbland · Post #14 » by **CLEbland** » Wed Aug 8, 2012 8:29 pm

Stebo_SSK wrote:
CLEbland wrote:
mcfly1204 wrote:Derrick Williams's ceiling is Antawn Jamison. Nice 6th man for a contender, not really suited for a rebuilding team at this point.

is Varejao really either though? I do like the lead by example model for playing hard AV exhibits, but if we could pull off trading him and maybe the lakers/heat pick - I would take the young talent every time even without a sure position. Imagine a crazy athletic smallball lineup of KI, waiters, gee/miles, Williams, and TT. horrid on D but would be exciting to watch at least

Why would Cleveland trade Varejao and a pick for Derrick Williams?

Well my thinking is that since he's 8 years younger and with Varejao's injury issues the past few years there's no way they would do it straight up (I know $$ needs to be matched with others but it would be a very late first round pick when we have no room for ~3 more rookies next year). I just think that the potential for the long-run would be too much to pass up. I don't see him taking too many minutes as TT would become a rotational center again while Derrick would play the back up 3/4. Varejao is certainly better now, but I believe his rebounds were inflated last year playing next to Jamison and no one else capable. Our front office obviously loves potential so it seems like a reasonable deal for both teams.

Stebo_SSK · Post #15 » by **Stebo_SSK** » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:00 am

Dude wtf lol...Thompson a rotational center? The dude is 6'9" 227lbs. He isnt anything close to a situational center nor does he play like he could be.

CLEbland · Post #16 » by **CLEbland** » Thu Aug 9, 2012 4:30 am

Stebo_SSK wrote:Dude wtf lol...Thompson a rotational center? The dude is 6'9" 227lbs. He isnt anything close to a situational center nor does he play like he could be.

Yah i guess haha but it's all sort of just make shift till we're legitimate anyway like him playing there last year was. I definitely see your arguments and I agree - just saying when it comes down to it I believe getting Dwill and making us worse for now is a better move for when we aim to contend.

Not that this deal is probably ever going to happen anyway :lol:

Niko23 · Post #17 » by **Niko23** » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:17 pm

I have dreams of Thompson growing 2 more inches to 6' 11" and getting up to 250lbs.......

mcfly1204 · Post #18 » by **mcfly1204** » Thu Aug 9, 2012 2:19 pm

Niko23 wrote:I have dreams of Thompson growing 2 more inches to 6' 11" and getting up to 250lbs.......

And then we would have Dwight Howard 2.0...

wallsfamily · Post #19 » by **wallsfamily** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 4:11 pm

Just an observation for the Cavaliers! Derek Williams would be good for you but the trade must be at a minimal loss. Go back in Cavs history to 1986. Cavs traded a promising forward to Sixers for #1 draft pick and drafted Daugherty. With regular pick you got Ron Harper and traded for Mark Price while drafting Hot Rod in second round, Then traded K. J. Dan Marjle Corbin and Mark West for Larry Nance. Although the team won 57 games later on they would struggle against the Bulls! But my point is Cleveland used the draft to build a team that won 57 games in 88-89. Big mistake was the Harper for Ferry trade because the Cavs were a unique matchup for the Bulls. Cavs need to continue to build through the draft. Should have taken the big Center last year and Harrison Barnes this year. Another thing about the old Cavs was there was no duplication. Each player played different positions and that allowed all the youngsters to grow together and become a major contender. Cavs have a point and power forward now you need a small forward and hope Waiters works out. Look @ Thunder draft Durant SF, then Westbrook SG, Ibaka PF then Harden SG, they then traded their only duplication Jeff Green for a defensive Center. Cavs had every position except SF which Ehlo could have filled with Corbin and Marjle. they had perfect bench players West, Hot Rod and K. J., West, K. J. and Marjle would later start with Dumas and Barkley to NBA finals team. Do the draft! If Paxson and Ferry had stuck with that philosophy then Lebron years would have been more productive.

BossHoggin · Post #20 » by **BossHoggin** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:51 pm

wallsfamily wrote:Just an observation for the Cavaliers! Derek Williams would be good for you but the trade must be at a minimal loss. Go back in Cavs history to 1986. Cavs traded a promising forward to Sixers for #1 draft pick and drafted Daugherty. With regular pick you got Ron Harper and traded for Mark Price while drafting Hot Rod in second round, Then traded K. J. Dan Marjle Corbin and Mark West for Larry Nance. Although the team won 57 games later on they would struggle against the Bulls! But my point is Cleveland used the draft to build a team that won 57 games in 88-89. Big mistake was the Harper for Ferry trade because the Cavs were a unique matchup for the Bulls. Cavs need to continue to build through the draft. Should have taken the big Center last year and Harrison Barnes this year. Another thing about the old Cavs was there was no duplication. Each player played different positions and that allowed all the youngsters to grow together and become a major contender. Cavs have a point and power forward now you need a small forward and hope Waiters works out. Look @ Thunder draft Durant SF, then Westbrook SG, Ibaka PF then Harden SG, they then traded their only duplication Jeff Green for a defensive Center. Cavs had every position except SF which Ehlo could have filled with Corbin and Marjle. they had perfect bench players West, Hot Rod and K. J., West, K. J. and Marjle would later start with Dumas and Barkley to NBA finals team. Do the draft! If Paxson and Ferry had stuck with that philosophy then Lebron years would have been more productive.

you typed up all that just to troll?