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Otto Porter Jr. is under consideration by the Cleveland Cavaliers with the first overall pick, according to a source with knowledge of the team's thinking.Porter is a sophomore forward out of Georgetown.Chris Grant selected Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters higher than most had projected.

As he should be. It looks like he's a top 5 lock, and there is no consensus #1.
Porter looks like a really nice fit for the Cavaliers s you have to investigate it.

Porter would be the worst 1st overall in the history of the american sports, and the worst part is that you know that before you pick him.

Fischella wrote:Porter would be the worst 1st overall in the history of the american sports, and the worst part is that you know that before you pick him.

worse than Kwame?

IMHO wrote:

Fischella wrote:Porter would be the worst 1st overall in the history of the american sports, and the worst part is that you know that before you pick him.

worse than Kwame?

Kwame had upside, besides his small hands he was an 18 year old 7 feet Center, with a strong build and good defense.

Porter upside is a rich man Prince, he's slow, unathletic and weak, he weighs 197 pounds, his shooting for isnt going to be effective at NBA level.

He'll be okay yes, long time starter, but you can do better with a n1 pick, specially when next year draft is full of forwards.

Porter makes sense for Wizards because they're there, at a PO level, Cleveland is nowhere near the POs.

And it'll extremely stupid for Cleveland to take Porter when tehir biggest flaw as a team is defense and you have the opportunity to draft a potential difference maker there like Noel.

And believe me, if youre planning on starting a backcourt with Irving and Waiters, you need him.

Fischella wrote:

IMHO wrote:

Fischella wrote:Porter would be the worst 1st overall in the history of the american sports, and the worst part is that you know that before you pick him.

worse than Kwame?

Kwame had upside, besides his small hands he was an 18 year old 7 feet Center, with a strong build and good defense.

Porter upside is a rich man Prince, he's slow, unathletic and weak, he weighs 197 pounds, his shooting for isnt going to be effective at NBA level.

He'll be okay yes, long time starter, but you can do better with a n1 pick, specially when next year draft is full of forwards.

Porter makes sense for Wizards because they're there, at a PO level, Cleveland is nowhere near the POs.

And it'll extremely stupid for Cleveland to take Porter when tehir biggest flaw as a team is defense and you have the opportunity to draft a potential difference maker there like Noel.

And believe me, if youre planning on starting a backcourt with Irving and Waiters, you need him.

healthy Cavs are closer to PO than Wizards are.

I like Otto Porter, but not enough to draft him number 1. Just take Nerlens and do not look back.

Fischella wrote:Porter would be the worst 1st overall in the history of the american sports, and the worst part is that you know that before you pick him.

second only to noel.

Fischella wrote:
And it'll extremely stupid for Cleveland to take Porter when tehir biggest flaw as a team is defense and you have the opportunity to draft a potential difference maker there like Noel.

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"potential difference maker" and noel are irreconcilable. ky lost 7 games(iirc) with him playing. and besides, the concept of the difference making shot blocker in today's game is archaic. add the two together and you have aa draft pick that rivals brown and thabeet. at 200lbs, noel will be on the receiving end of a lot of facials. AND his injury casts doubt. if the cavs are contemplating another player then they have their doubts too. and there should be NO DOUBTS with a #1.

last few draft years...irving, griffin, rose, oden, davis, wall. seriously, do they party with noel

trade the #1. wait for wiggins.

If you really wanted to draft Porter, it would make sense to check with Washington and see if they prefer Noel. If our GM did, you draft Noel, Washington drafts Porter, we swap, and you end up paying him less. I wouldn't want to throw in much of anything, as I like both guys, but you could probably get a second round pick or one of our not-so-hot prospects.

willbcocks wrote:If you really wanted to draft Porter, it would make sense to check with Washington and see if they prefer Noel. If our GM did, you draft Noel, Washington drafts Porter, we swap, and you end up paying him less. I wouldn't want to throw in much of anything, as I like both guys, but you could probably get a second round pick or one of our not-so-hot prospects.

As a Wizards fan, I came to this board wondering about this exact scenario.

So Cleveland likes Porter a lot, but it just doesn't feel right taking him 1st overall.
Meanwhile Washington likes Porter a lot too, but they actually value Noel a little bit more, although not a lot more.

Like you said, Cleveland could draft Noel 1st, have Washington draft Porter 3rd, then work out a trade.

The 3rd pick's first year salary is about $1 million less than the 1st pick's. Not a huge difference, but every little bit counts. This would allow the Cavs to still get the player they want the most (or maybe equally), while shedding a little bit more than $1 million off his annual salary cap hit. That alone is a win for the Cavs, albeit a small one. Meanwhile, the Wizards get the player they preferred, although not necessarily by a wide margin, and the price they pay to do so is $1 million in annual salary cap hits.

That's if they just traded the picks straight up. Trading down from the 1st pick to the 3rd pick for nothing else in return is counter-intuitive, but I think it actually makes sense in this scenario. It's essentially trading player A1 (Porter) for Player A2 (Porter) with a slightly smaller salary cap figure. Obviously every single team would prefer to get Player A2 because it's the exact same player, just with a smaller starting salary. I think it actually makes sense to trade the picks straight up, and it's a legitimately fair proposition.

However, because of how counter-intuitive such a trade would be, and the fact that the Cavs arguably have most of the leverage in that situation, my gut tells me the Wizards would have to add in an additional incentive in order to get the deal done. Nothing big, maybe just a 2nd round pick (or a future 2nd) or an insanely protected pick that's likely to end up only as a 2nd rounder some 5+ years down the line, or perhaps one of Vesely/Singleton/Seraphin/Booker (although to be fair, most Wizards fans would be delighted to see Vesely or Singleton go, as you'd be doing us a favor there lol).

On the other hand, this would all come down to who can negotiate the best. If Ernie Grunfeld is a poor trade negotiator (which many Wiz fans will tell you is the case), then he might cave to the Cavs demands like the situation in the last paragraph. But if Ernie is smart, then he'll realize the Cavs actually have no leverage, as they've already made it obvious that they don't really want to keep the 1st pick, and furthermore, that the Wizards are the Cavs' only realistic trade partner, because if they trade with any team drafting below the Wizards, then Porter won't be around by that pick, since the Wizards would likely take him. If both GMs are good negotiators and evaluators of their assets and leverage, then I think it's possible they'd meet in the middle and just trade the picks straight up. But at the same time, the Wizards could just as easily throw in the 54th pick or a future 2nd, with no harm done, seeing as we're likely to trade or sell the pick anyways.

This sounds like one of those scenarios where it makes too much sense for both teams involved to actually go through with it. Sigh. (or, of course, the Wizards don't prefer Noel, or the Cavs do prefer Noel or another player, making this all irrelevant haha)

Draft Nerlens and run for the hills.

To me there is a much bigger difference between Otto Porter and Nerlens Noel offensive skills than conversely with their defensive skills. I just get the feeling Noel is going to get run over in this league, I mean just look at what David West did to the Heat the other night, and all of the Heat players outweigh Noel by thirty pounds...

Great I'm happy; I want Porter. DRAFT PORTER PLEASE. Spend more time figuring out who we pick as a center if we trade up with the second first rounder. There will be are several decent centers available in the early teens:

Dieng
Plumlee
Olynyk
Gobert
Adams
Withely

I'd invite them all to Independence and let them play against each other and as part of the starting line up against the second string and Andy

Cleveland shouldn't overthink this. Draft Noel, he's the consensus #1 pick just like Kyrie a few years ago.

Trade Noel for Porter and pick up a 2nd

Trade those seconds for #13

Trade #13, #19, and Sac future pick to Sac for #7

Draft Alex Len

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Niko23 wrote:Trade Noel for Porter and pick up a 2nd

Trade those seconds for #13

Trade #13, #19, and Sac future pick to Sac for #7

Draft Alex Len

Program Complete

yes please. haha

Niko23 wrote:Trade Noel for Porter and pick up a 2nd

Trade those seconds for #13

Trade #13, #19, and Sac future pick to Sac for #7

Draft Alex Len

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That's the part that is unlikely. Two high second rounders might get you to #23 or so, but not #13.

nate33 wrote:

Niko23 wrote:Trade Noel for Porter and pick up a 2nd

Trade those seconds for #13

Trade #13, #19, and Sac future pick to Sac for #7

Draft Alex Len

Program Complete

That's the part that is unlikely. Two high second rounders might get you to #23 or so, but not #13.

Dallas is trying to, or at least there is speculation to, sell the pick. If it means we have to take a player back for salary then we could do that as well

Dallas will need cap space if they want Howard